The Daily ITK Discussion Thread - 24th June 2015

yankspurs · Jun 24, 2015

Pretty sure that hertyid bit is just him repeating what he said the other day. Yedlin is technically sub par. That's known. It's called learning, developing and improving. That's why this was a good move for him and us. He has potential. So we brought low in the hopes that we can continue to develop him and hopefully make a healthy profit on him. He's 21 years old, and has only been playing professionally for 2 years, in which span he's shown that he has the ability to pick things up quickly and improve. He was a much better player at the end of his 2nd year in MLS(the last one), then he was when he first came into the league. And he is a much better player today then he was when he first came over in January. That much is abundantly clear if you've watched him.

Yedlin had offers to go elsewhere but Klinsmann pushed him to come here. Why? Because he knows that we can develop Yedlin into a very good player.

Spursidol · Jun 24, 2015

Bus-Conductor said:
What an odd bit of ITK this is.

He's no Iniesta and he's not a footballing genius but technically he seems no worse than the likes of Walker, Fazio, Davies, Rose etc

The ITK was that during last season in training he was sub-par.

It was also said that he looked far better in the post season matches in Australia and Malaysia (admittedly against much poorer opposition than PL) matches than he had done during the season.

Not sure how you can say 'he seems no worse than the likes of Walker, Fazio, Davies, Rose etc' when nobody has seen him play in PL where these players have been seen playing.

Trix · Jun 24, 2015

yankspurs said:
Pretty sure that hertyid bit is just him repeating what he said the other day. Yedlin is technically sub par. That's known. It's called learning, developing and improving. That's why this was a good move for him and us. He has potential. So we brought low in the hopes that we can continue to develop him and hopefully make a healthy profit on him. He's 21 years old, and has only been playing professionally for 2 years, in which span he's shown that he has the ability to pick things up quickly and improve. He was a much better player at the end of his 2nd year in MLS(the last one), then he was when he first came into the league. And he is a much better player today then he was when he first came over in January. That much is abundantly clear if you've watched him.

Yedlin had offers to go elsewhere but Klinsmann pushed him to come here. Why? Because he knows that we can develop Yedlin into a very good player.

I think the point is he is possibly already behind the likes of KWP as far as his technical ability is concerned and he is three years older. He may still have a future with us but he'd need to improve an awful lot because his speed just wont carry him in this league.

Bus-Conductor · Jun 24, 2015

Spursidol said:
The ITK was that during last season in training he was sub-par.

It was also said that he looked far better in the post season matches in Australia and Malaysia (admittedly against much poorer opposition than PL) matches than he had done during the season.

Not sure how you can say 'he seems no worse than the likes of Walker, Fazio, Davies, Rose etc' when nobody has seen him play in PL where these players have been seen playing.

I was talking specifically about his technique and technical ability. I have seen him play a few games for Seattle, USA (inc against Germany) our U21's etc.

I don't think he's technically wonderful but Walker is technically awful at times, as is Fazio whenever he tries to move with the ball.

I just find it odd that other players would be saying this just about him. I've never heard/read reports of players saying this about anyone else, despite there being other candidates for this criticism.

Trix · Jun 24, 2015

Spursidol said:
The ITK was that during last season in training he was sub-par.

It was also said that he looked far better in the post season matches in Australia and Malaysia (admittedly against much poorer opposition than PL) matches than he had done during the season.

Not sure how you can say 'he seems no worse than the likes of Walker, Fazio, Davies, Rose etc' when nobody has seen him play in PL where these players have been seen playing.

Indeed being judged on a totally different playing field. I think our lack of pace, and his obvious turn of foot is blinding people a little.

Bus-Conductor · Jun 24, 2015

TrickyVilla said:
Indeed being judged on a totally different playing field. I think our lack of pace, and his obvious turn of foot is blinding people a little.

Blinding who, in what way ?

LexingtonSpurs · Jun 24, 2015

TrickyVilla said:
If he's not good enough, he's not good enough. Can't just play him to appease a few fans on the other side of the world.

I agree to an extent. Yet, you will find many on here who would want a youth player from the academy to play - just to get experience - before they are ready to play full time. Yedlin is in a similar position. He may not be ready to play 90 in the league, but he can be eased into the team, and developed.

Many of the reasons players go out on loan do not apply to Yedlin. He has 56 appearances playing against grown men, he regularly played in front of bigger crowds than WHL in MLS, he has been a part of the senior national team set-up for almost 2 years. He has some fine tuning to do - but nothing that requires a full season loan to acclimate - with the caveat that a loan to a lower PL club would be beneficial, it will just be hard to accommodate to guarantee playing time with virtually no pre-season.

And, I think before any decision can be made on a loan, Yedlin and Spurs need to decide on a future position.

LexingtonSpurs · Jun 24, 2015

TrickyVilla said:
Indeed being judged on a totally different playing field. I think our lack of pace, and his obvious turn of foot is blinding people a little.

Yeah - other team's left backs....

Lilbaz · Jun 24, 2015

TrickyVilla said:
Indeed being judged on a totally different playing field. I think our lack of pace, and his obvious turn of foot is blinding people a little.

I think some our supporters have a bias against some of our own players sometimes.

Trix · Jun 24, 2015

Bus-Conductor said:
Blinding who, in what way ?

Seen loads of posts regarding Yedlin being tried at RM for instance. Only reason that is even being suggested is because he is quick. I understand people want him to do well because he is young, and especially our friends from across the pond because it gives them more of a connection to the club, but the fact is we now have Trippier, Walker, and the highly impressive KWP(3 years Yedlins junior) who Yedlin is going to have to out perform in order to play. As things stand now the odds are without question firmly stacked against him I'm afraid.

Trix · Jun 24, 2015

LexingtonSpurs said:
Yeah - other team's left backs....

Which teams left backs are you referring to?

LexingtonSpurs · Jun 24, 2015

TrickyVilla said:
Which teams left backs are you referring to?

Germany's and Holland's specifically...and honestly any team's left back.

Yedlin is not without skills beyond simply pace. He lacks some technical skills, and I would not trust him playing out of the back in tight spaces, but he has the ability to neutralize an attacking left back, with his ability to drive down the flanks. He has shown very good ability to serve a ball in the area - not simply blindly hitting a cross. He picks his head up, and can cut the ball back when that is a better play.

His biggest challenge for Spurs may simply be that we don't utilize his particular skill set - namely a right midfielder in a 442 set-up. I think everyone needs to get that sorted soon - if he is to be a RB, then I think a loan to a lower level PL would be beneficial. If his role is further up the pitch, I think he can be eased into that role via substitute appearances now - in both league and Europa/Cup games.

HappySpur · Jun 24, 2015

raggy said:
If Yedlin never makes it as a regular starting player with us it won't have been such good PR. We have already had some bad press in the States for Yedlin not featuring after he joined in January and it will only continue to get worse so long as he isn't getting regular game time.

Of Andre is to THFC as Chuck Blazer is to FIFA

dk-yid · Jun 24, 2015

I find the Yedlin is technically poor ITK a bit odd. I mean this is the kind of things you would expect if we had signed Ali Dia.
Admittedly, I have not watched much of the lad, but he has never come across as a donkey. Just ran through some youtube clips of his performances and he doesn't have noticeable difficulties on the ball IMO. Granted, no messi.

Could it be that the adjustment and pressure of joining a big club and playing with 'star' players could have got to him?

Chris12 · Jun 24, 2015

dk-yid said:
I find the Yedlin is technically poor ITK a bit odd. I mean this is the kind of things you would expect if we had signed Ali Dia.
Admittedly, I have not watched much of the lad, but he has never come across as a donkey. Just ran through some youtube clips of his performances and he doesn't have noticeable difficulties on the ball IMO. Granted, no messi.

Could it be that the adjustment and pressure of joining a big club and playing with 'star' players could have got to him?

Or possibly just another player being a bit of a judgy dickhead?

yankspurs · Jun 24, 2015

TrickyVilla said:
I think the point is he is possibly already behind the likes of KWP as far as his technical ability is concerned and he is three years older. He may still have a future with us but he'd need to improve an awful lot because his speed just wont carry him in this league.

Just having speed wont carry anyone in any league. Yedlin is alot more than just speed. Watch him play. Also, he has improved IMMENSELY since he started his professional career. He has also improved immensely since he came to Spurs. He can definitely improve alot more and odds are he will.

Hoopspur · Jun 24, 2015

dk-yid said:
I find the Yedlin is technically poor ITK a bit odd. I mean this is the kind of things you would expect if we had signed Ali Dia.
Admittedly, I have not watched much of the lad, but he has never come across as a donkey. Just ran through some youtube clips of his performances and he doesn't have noticeable difficulties on the ball IMO. Granted, no messi.

Could it be that the adjustment and pressure of joining a big club and playing with 'star' players could have got to him?

I watched the 2 tour games and he certainly did not look out of place. He was no worse and probably better than most of the defence on show. Granted he made a couple of mistakes but he also provided some attacking threat. It really all depends on what we are trying to achieve with our full backs. Bit of coaching and I feel he will improve as Rose has.

TheAmerican · Jun 24, 2015

dk-yid said:
I find the Yedlin is technically poor ITK a bit odd. I mean this is the kind of things you would expect if we had signed Ali Dia.
Admittedly, I have not watched much of the lad, but he has never come across as a donkey. Just ran through some youtube clips of his performances and he doesn't have noticeable difficulties on the ball IMO. Granted, no messi.

Could it be that the adjustment and pressure of joining a big club and playing with 'star' players could have got to him?

My guess is that he's getting roasted by our skill players during training every day, becoming a bit of a laugh to the senior players. It's going to happen with any young player coming from a weak league. Say what you will about some of our wingers, but they are all likely more skillful on the ball than any mls player.

TEESSIDE1 · Jun 24, 2015

TrickyVilla said:
Seen loads of posts regarding Yedlin being tried at RM for instance. Only reason that is even being suggested is because he is quick. I understand people want him to do well because he is young, and especially our friends from across the pond because it gives them more of a connection to the club, but the fact is we now have Trippier, Walker, and the highly impressive KWP(3 years Yedlins junior) who Yedlin is going to have to out perform in order to play. As things stand now the odds are without question firmly stacked against him I'm afraid.

It's not odd trying him at RM as this is where he started out before being converted to a right back.

Also, if players are criticising his technique, are they also criticising Walker's too as minus his pace, he's a clown. Townsend's not far behind Walker either.

TEESSIDE1 · Jun 24, 2015

TheAmerican said:
My guess is that he's getting roasted by our skill players during training every day, becoming a bit of a laugh to the senior players. It's going to happen with any young player coming from a weak league. Say what you will about some of our wingers, but they are all likely more skillful on the ball than any mls player.

People need to remember 'soccer' is still in its infancy in the U.S. and they have nowhere near the standard of coaching found at top flight European clubs. You don't see many 'technical' or highly 'skilled' American's playing in the MLS... they tend to do the basics well but are out of their depth in comparison to the rest of the world. In saying that, as a nation the national side has come on leaps and bounds, and there's increasing signs they're producing players 'capable' of playing at a higher domestic level.

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