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Jospur

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TEESSIDE1 said:
People need to remember 'soccer' is still in its infancy in the U.S. and they have nowhere near the standard of coaching found at top flight European clubs. You don't see many 'technical' or highly 'skilled' American's playing in the MLS... they tend to do the basics well but are out of their depth in comparison to the rest of the world. In saying that, as a nation the national side has come on leaps and bounds, and there's increasing signs they're producing players 'capable' of playing at a higher domestic level.
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Maybe the top-flight 'soccer' clubs in the US can't compete with the coaching at European clubs - but I'm pretty sure that coaching of youth at the grassroots level is probably superior to that offered in England - and maybe in other European countries. And I'd say that Yedlin would be one of the end products of that coaching. To say that all US players would not be technically gifted would be too much of a blanket generalization for me.
 
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Jospur said:
Maybe the top-flight 'soccer' clubs in the US can't compete with the coaching at European clubs - but I'm pretty sure that coaching of youth at the grassroots level is probably superior to that offered in England - and maybe in other European countries. And I'd say that Yedlin would be one of the end products of that coaching. To say that all US players would not be technically gifted would be too much of a blanket generalization for me.
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First, I would argue that it is hardly even possible to compare American grassroots level to the English grassroots level. What would you even consider grassroots in the United States? Also, the game is not anything most American care about. It is much harder to find people who know what they are talking about in America and especially in large regions of America such as the Southeastern USA. The United States has no where near the technical coaching on a country wide scale that countries like England have. Getting there slowly, but they definitely do not.
 
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yankspurs said:
Just having speed wont carry anyone in any league. Yedlin is alot more than just speed. Watch him play. Also, he has improved IMMENSELY since he started his professional career. He has also improved immensely since he came to Spurs. He can definitely improve alot more and odds are he will.
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I'm sure he will get better, but I don't believe that will ultimately be at Spurs. If he stays he is competing with Walker and Trippier for league football, and I very much believe KWP has been earmarked to play in the Europa along with a few of the other younger players. Walker-Peters is seen as a player with huge potential, and is a massive talent for his age. Yedlin's failing to impress thus far, and the fact he has the best RB prospect we have seen at the club in decades breathing down his neck mean he will get little in the way of chances now. A good solid season on loan is imo his best and possibly only chance of having a career with us.
 
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I'm sure he will get better, but I don't believe that will ultimately be at Spurs. If he stays he is competing with Walker and Trippier for league football, and I very much believe KWP has been earmarked to play in the Europa along with a few of the other younger players. Walker-Peters is seen as a player with huge potential, and is a massive talent for his age. Yedlin's failing to impress thus far, and the fact he has the best RB prospect we have seen at the club in decades breathing down his neck mean he will get little in the way of chances now. A good solid season on loan is imo his best and possibly only chance of having a career with us.
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Perhaps he has a better chance as a winger like he plays with some success for the US team? He has plenty of pace at the least.
 
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raggy said:
Perhaps he has a better chance as a winger like he plays with some success for the US team? He has plenty of pace at the least.
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Pace is only one thing you need to be a good winger, he has not shown any particular ability when it comes to crossing, passing or finishing though.
 
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Eric Berry said:
First, I would argue that it is hardly even possible to compare American grassroots level to the English grassroots level. What would you even consider grassroots in the United States? Also, the game is not anything most American care about. It is much harder to find people who know what they are talking about in America and especially in large regions of America such as the Southeastern USA. The United States has no where near the technical coaching on a country wide scale that countries like England have. Getting there slowly, but they definitely do not.
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No, maybe not on a country wide scale but the country is also five to six times the size of the Uk. And there are plenty of talented coaches and football knowledge in the US. Including at grass roots level. They have 25 million football players and more youth players than any other country on the planet.... There a 5 times more youth players than in the Uk making the percentages proportionate to country size almost the same. So to claim the level of technical coaching is sub-par is arrogant and a terrible generalisation.

That said the England U21 are proving once again that they can't compete with other nations, so I am definitely not buying the idea that English coaching is superior ....

And finally on needing grassroots to succeed; Brazil say hi.
 
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TrickyVilla said:
I think the point is he is possibly already behind the likes of KWP as far as his technical ability is concerned and he is three years older. He may still have a future with us but he'd need to improve an awful lot because his speed just wont carry him in this league.
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Walker says hi!;)
 
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Eric Berry said:
First, I would argue that it is hardly even possible to compare American grassroots level to the English grassroots level. What would you even consider grassroots in the United States? Also, the game is not anything most American care about. It is much harder to find people who know what they are talking about in America and especially in large regions of America such as the Southeastern USA. The United States has no where near the technical coaching on a country wide scale that countries like England have. Getting there slowly, but they definitely do not.
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The coaching in North America at the grassroots level for young players is well-considered and 'professional'. Many local clubs will insist that their coaches take approved coaching courses. I'm not so sure the same takes place in the UK. On the other hand I'll agree that 'soccer' is not the be-all-end-all sport that it is in Europe. And well-regarded players in the UK can be fast-tracked into the youth ranks of the professional clubs where they would I expect have excellent coaching. In North America the professional path is not as well delineated. I'm not sure of the stats but I'd say soccer may have become (or is becoming) the most popular team sport in North America. It's probably in the area of pre-professional coaching that is lacking in North America.

So Yedlin may indeed be lacking in the finer technical points as ITK seems to suggest but to say that reflects on all US players is unfair.
 
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errr so ITK thread.. ..I think Trix is saying that we are looking for a a lower PL club loan for Yedlin ..
 
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Anyone posting news can do so in the player thread but MORE importantly, they supply a source or it doesn't get posted.
 
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raggy said:
Perhaps he has a better chance as a winger like he plays with some success for the US team? He has plenty of pace at the least.
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Perhaps he has, however.........when was the last time we played with a winger?
 
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TrickyVilla said:
I'm sure he will get better, but I don't believe that will ultimately be at Spurs. If he stays he is competing with Walker and Trippier for league football, and I very much believe KWP has been earmarked to play in the Europa along with a few of the other younger players. Walker-Peters is seen as a player with huge potential, and is a massive talent for his age. Yedlin's failing to impress thus far, and the fact he has the best RB prospect we have seen at the club in decades breathing down his neck mean he will get little in the way of chances now. A good solid season on loan is imo his best and possibly only chance of having a career with us.
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Begs the question why we signed him. If KWP is so highly rated, Dier covering RB as well.

Odd signing if we had doubts over his ability. All points to a commercial buy hoping he really would develop - I'd guess.
 
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