The All New Spurs U21, U18 & Other Youth News Thread

rabbikeane · Jul 11, 2015

Lilbaz said:
Onomah has played 15 minutes professional football. Alli has played over 70 games. Yes it was league 1 but it was adults and he has proved what he can do. Have high hopes for onomah and think he will be as good as alli, but he has to prove it first.

Isn't that in itself proof to a young player that going through the youth set up and development plan will count against him compared to someone who get out there early and start playing senior football?
They're rated fairly even by the England set up, maybe Onomah even more

rabbikeane · Jul 11, 2015

Pogba should be a warning shot. United probably has learned how sometimes you need to pay a kid £20k a week (Pogba), others you have to let go when they demand above their station (Fryers).

Lilbaz · Jul 11, 2015

rabbikeane said:
Isn't that in itself proof to a young player that going through the youth set up and development plan will count against him compared to someone who get out there early and start playing senior football?
They're rated fairly even by the England set up, maybe Onomah even more

5 of our starters in the 5-3 win over chelsea came through our academy. All have had international call ups (rose got injured). I think that shows that this is the club to be at.

rabbikeane · Jul 11, 2015

Not saying we're doing things wrong, I just have concern about many top prospects being on expiring contracts and that home grown players seem to be paid perhaps as much as 25% less than they would if they were bought in - even at a later stage of their career.

Mandy Dingle · Jul 11, 2015

Think a lot of people here worry over nothing, you're all just digging yourselves deeper into a negative pit. Everyone knows how highly rated someone like Onomah is, do you really think we would let probably our best talent go because he wants more wages than the other U-21s? You got to pay for talent, Levy knows that, and I seriously doubt he would let someone like Onomah go.

Norse · Jul 11, 2015

Mandy Dingle said:
Think a lot of people here worry over nothing, you're all just digging yourselves deeper into a negative pit. Everyone knows how highly rated someone like Onomah is, do you really think we would let probably our best talent go because he wants more wages than the other U-21s? You got to pay for talent, Levy knows that, and I seriously doubt he would let someone like Onomah go.

Hope so.

edson · Jul 11, 2015

This sounds promising https://talkingthfc.wordpress.com/2...le-alli-is-pushing-nabil-bentaleb-to-improve/

Lilbaz · Jul 11, 2015

edson said:
This sounds promising https://talkingthfc.wordpress.com/2...le-alli-is-pushing-nabil-bentaleb-to-improve/

Souns like he's a good trainer, which will stand him in good stead.

beats1 · Jul 11, 2015

Lilbaz said:
Onomah has played 15 minutes professional football. Alli has played over 70 games. Yes it was league 1 but it was adults and he has proved what he can do. Have high hopes for onomah and think he will be as good as alli, but he has to prove it first.

The fact onomah wasn't signed by us shouldnt count against him. If he played for a lower league he would got the same amount of games even if he was in the championship imo

However in terms of talent and ability they are the same stage in their career. Playing more games doesn't mean you're are worth more or more talented.

Onomah could easily point to the fact he was playing for the U21's before bentaleb and at the age of 15 and the reasoning behind his lack of games is due to the fact he hasn't been given a chance but in terms of england, he has been a mainstay of every england team and one of only 2 england teams to actually win the U17 as CM.

allpaths · Jul 11, 2015

wow it seemed like oduwa had a stormer in the southend friendly getting a goal and two assists as a prospect he is crimenally underrated imo

IGSpur · Jul 11, 2015

rabbikeane said:
Not saying we're doing things wrong, I just have concern about many top prospects being on expiring contracts and that home grown players seem to be paid perhaps as much as 25% less than they would if they were bought in - even at a later stage of their career.

Combined with the need for homegrown players. Rich clubs can target the best clubs academy players to get round the rule. Let us do the hardwork then pick off our best prospects when they're near g the end of their pro contract. There's no risk to them.

newbie · Jul 11, 2015

Blake Griffin said:
@chelseayouth posted this on another forum i use and i assume a coys poster has picked up on it, bit worrying but i'd expect us to get it sorted.

Levy has always been at offering regular contracts if he was in his final year would we be playing him?

newbie · Jul 11, 2015

@Bobby__Lucky said:
It is a bit concerning, Onomah and Edwards seem to be 2 generations of the best player with the same issue. It seems crazy that we would spend all the money on developing a world class training facility and academy infrastructure only to see the players leave for the sake if 10 grand a week.

@IGSpur do you think it's going to be a huge problem going forward? There was news that west ham are paying Edwards British peers at a much higher rate... Hopefully we can stay fluid in terms of what we offer.

Would be horrible to produce a generation and see them all playing for different clubs.. Like west hams..

Lampard - Chelsea
Carrick - us/ Utd
Cole - Chelsea
Defoe - us
Ferdinand - Utd

Would hate that.

West ham were really shit though, we are top 5, amazing training ground, good manager, new stadium on the way, west ham relegated.

@Bobby__Lucky · Jul 11, 2015

newbie said:
West ham were really shit though, we are top 5, amazing training ground, good manager, new stadium on the way, west ham relegated.

....but apparently according to news pay significantly less than the 4 teams above of those top 5, and less than the teams below us for important standout youth players.

This could become a problem if we don't comply to industry standard regardless of the plus point. It will get to the stage where players won't choose us because of money. Not that we can't develop, but we are not complying to what our adversaries are doing.

I see the moralistic implications but would you rather flip burgers for a tenner an hour than £4.35? McDonald's pay 10, your organically farmed ethically made burgers are beautiful but still £4.35?

Bottom line is agents and patent and kids are aware they may not make it, so will milk that cow dry, I'm saying let's be aware touting a dry floppy nipple may not be enough.

Unless we mirror the industry standard then the training ground becomes irrelevant...it seizes to be attractive as it's an either/or rather than a plus point.

Edit: if we can allegedly pay 20k a week to fryers when luring him from Utd, then we should pay our youth accordingly. If I was a youth player knowing a transfer fee was paid and this kid who is no better than me comes in a 3 times my wage, that is de motivating.

Blake Griffin · Jul 11, 2015

newbie said:
Levy has always been at offering regular contracts if he was in his final year would we be playing him?

yes, unless he's categorically said there's no chance he'll sign a new deal - like ceballos.

newbie · Jul 11, 2015

@Bobby__Lucky said:
....but apparently according to news pay significantly less than the 4 teams above of those top 5, and less than the teams below us for important standout youth players.

This could become a problem if we don't comply to industry standard regardless of the plus point. It will get to the stage where players won't choose us because of money. Not that we can't develop, but we are not complying to what our adversaries are doing.

I see the moralistic implications but would you rather flip burgers for a tenner an hour than £4.35? McDonald's pay 10, your organically farmed ethically made burgers are beautiful but still £4.35?

Bottom line is agents and patent and kids are aware they may not make it, so will milk that cow dry, I'm saying let's be aware touting a dry floppy nipple may not be enough.

Unless we mirror the industry standard then the training ground becomes irrelevant...it seizes to be attractive as it's an either/or rather than a plus point.

Edit: if we can allegedly pay 20k a week to fryers when luring him from Utd, then we should pay our youth accordingly. If I was a youth player knowing a transfer fee was paid and this kid who is no better than me comes in a 3 times my wage, that is de motivating.

Did you see josh Onomah face after his debut, did you see he scored today olaying for the first team, did you see Bentlab was off had enough of his contract situations, not paid enough at spurs.

I think personally josh will be fine he will hate Chelsea and City with a passion when you play for a team at a young age you have a passion for that team and you hate all other teams you play. He also knows he is also so close to making it at spurs, and we have just sold pretty much every midfielder.

newbie · Jul 11, 2015

Blake Griffin said:
yes, unless he's categorically said there's no chance he'll sign a new deal - like ceballos.

Contract wise his been on the money every time since SC, so much so we have been stuck with players like Bentley.

beats1 · Jul 11, 2015

newbie said:
Levy has always been at offering regular contracts if he was in his final year would we be playing him?

Yes as compensation would be given as he is likely to stay in the UK

beats1 · Jul 11, 2015

allpaths said:
wow it seemed like oduwa had a stormer in the southend friendly getting a goal and two assists as a prospect he is crimenally underrated imo

Oduwa is only underrated because he missed effectively, a year of football

beats1 · Jul 11, 2015

@Bobby__Lucky said:
....but apparently according to news pay significantly less than the 4 teams above of those top 5, and less than the teams below us for important standout youth players.

This could become a problem if we don't comply to industry standard regardless of the plus point. It will get to the stage where players won't choose us because of money. Not that we can't develop, but we are not complying to what our adversaries are doing.

I see the moralistic implications but would you rather flip burgers for a tenner an hour than £4.35? McDonald's pay 10, your organically farmed ethically made burgers are beautiful but still £4.35?

Bottom line is agents and patent and kids are aware they may not make it, so will milk that cow dry, I'm saying let's be aware touting a dry floppy nipple may not be enough.

Unless we mirror the industry standard then the training ground becomes irrelevant...it seizes to be attractive as it's an either/or rather than a plus point.

Edit: if we can allegedly pay 20k a week to fryers when luring him from Utd, then we should pay our youth accordingly. If I was a youth player knowing a transfer fee was paid and this kid who is no better than me comes in a 3 times my wage, that is de motivating.

And Fryers was never good or very highly rated, he looked the worst out of the defenders we had that season and yet he got more minutes than anyone out of that team initially

It seems money talks and if an investment isn't working out, we are prepared to give it a chance to recoup some money

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