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philip

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The thing that is driving me around the bend at the moment is the lack of width. Our fullbacks are giving us next to nothing going forward.

Which is why Townsend should be playing. Dyer changed the game for Leicester today against Southampton with his wing play and Townsend would do the same.

We need at least one winger on the field
 

nailsy

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Harrys off form and our only real striker. Sons out injured. Chadli is one of our biggest goal threats and also went off injured early on. Put all that together and its not surprising that we didn't score today. Saying that I thought we did OK today. Mignolet pulled off a few great saves otherwise we'd have scored a couple. And Liverpool were smart enough not to give away any free kicks in dangerous positions which nullified one of our main threats.

Going forward the only thing I'm concerned about is bringing in some real competition for Harry...and I'm keeping my fingers crossed that he doesn't get injured before we do.
 

Bus-Conductor

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The thing that is driving me around the bend at the moment is the lack of width. Our fullbacks are giving us next to nothing going forward.

Kyle won't though, will he. We know that. He had a great game today, but he's not dynamic in the final third, generally.

Rose gets forward and he's the best attacking option out of he and Davies but, like I said before, he's still not good enough in the final third and rarely produces anything incisive there..

Poch has some tough decisions to make for next season as we need our fullbacks to work properly along each third of the pitch for us to get to where we want to be. They are absolute crucial to the way we want to play.


Agree obviously and have been banging on about our FB's for ages, but also it has to be said, Dier, Alli and Dembele (despite being great defensively today) are not incisive, metronomic, progressive, quick transitioning CM's who facilitate or supply our attackers with that kind of service.

We do need FB's who can offer more offensively. Rose gets there more often but invariably wastes situations, walker rarely gets into good positions offensively and when he does he's woefully inept. But we also need to get the balance right in CM. Alli has some good qualities and is still very young, but he's not quite right for a CM2 with players like Dier and/or Dembele as none of them have that quick picture in their heads and pass/move/pass/move thing.
 

thinktank

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Agree obviously and have been banging on about our FB's for ages, but also it has to be said, Dier, Alli and Dembele (despite being great defensively today) are not incisive, metronomic, progressive, quick transitioning CM's who facilitate or supply our attackers with that kind of service.

We do need FB's who can offer more offensively. Rose gets there more often but invariably wastes situations, walker rarely gets into good positions offensively and when he does he's woefully inept. But we also need to get the balance right in CM. Alli has some good qualities and is still very young, but he's not quite right for a CM2 with players like Dier and/or Dembele as none of them have that quick picture in their heads and pass/move/pass/move thing.

I said recently (iirc) that Alli will need a little time to adapt properly to that role as I think he's best pushed up a little. It's still the case, but I think he'll grow into it. I'd like to persevere with him there, I can see it clicking for him and him becoming a damn beast in that role - driving forward, quick interplay, pitching in with goals etc.

He needs to stop fouling so much though. A few of our players have a terrible habit of being way too 'handsy' with opponents and drawing soft fouls: Rose, Walker, Lamela, Alli. Consistently push and shove players too often and unnecessarily.
 

thfc1973

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Which is why Townsend should be playing
Something I noticed too was how Poch would rather risk continuing to play Lamela on a yellow from like the 50'th odd minute all the way to the last few minutes before willing to put Andros on. That to me speaks volumes.
 

Mullers

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Problem is, good strikers are very expensive and clubs don't want to let them go...looks like we moved early for our striking targets in Martial and Ings, but they decided to go elsewhere. We thought we could do a deal with West Brom it seems, but it looks like their chairman gave us the runaround in the end. I think the fact we didn't sign anyone shows we HAVE learnt from he mistakes of the past. It would be easy to sign a panic buy like a Stambouli or Fazio to plug the gaps we felt we missed out on, but those players just end up taking wages and squad places up but don't have the necessary quality to get on the pitch and contribute often. So why not save the gunpowder until the next window?
With the scouts, David pleat, Ian Broomfield, Mitchell and his black box that can watch every game around the world at a touch of a button, there should be no need for any panic buys and there should be a long list of targets. Levy has been here 14 years and he had experience previously with Rangers, he KNOWS the tricks of the trade he uses them himself, he shouldn't have allowed himself to be 'Levyed'. I know you don't start off with the highest figure when you bid, but to bid 15 million and think you can get him at that price when West Brom value him at 30 million is delusion.
I wouldn't hold out any hope of getting a striker in January either, it's notoriously difficult to get a quality player in because clubs are reluctant to sell. We've had since last January's window when we failed to get Wellbeck to plan for new striker. There are no excuses really.
 

spurs-r-us

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Agree obviously and have been banging on about our FB's for ages, but also it has to be said, Dier, Alli and Dembele (despite being great defensively today) are not incisive, metronomic, progressive, quick transitioning CM's who facilitate or supply our attackers with that kind of service.

We do need FB's who can offer more offensively. Rose gets there more often but invariably wastes situations, walker rarely gets into good positions offensively and when he does he's woefully inept. But we also need to get the balance right in CM. Alli has some good qualities and is still very young, but he's not quite right for a CM2 with players like Dier and/or Dembele as none of them have that quick picture in their heads and pass/move/pass/move thing.
Does everything have to be a complaint? Rose is especially good going forward; hits the right spots every time and rarely wastes a cross. I'm not sure who you think we're going to get thats any better?
 

Xeeleeyid

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With the scouts, David pleat, Ian Broomfield, Mitchell and his black box that can watch every game around the world at a touch of a button, there should be no need for any panic buys and there should be a long list of targets. Levy has been here 14 years and he had experience previously with Rangers, he KNOWS the tricks of the trade he uses them himself, he shouldn't have allowed himself to be 'Levyed'. I know you don't start off with the highest figure when you bid, but to bid 15 million and think you can get him at that price when West Brom value him at 30 million is delusion.
I wouldn't hold out any hope of getting a striker in January either, it's notoriously difficult to get a quality player in because clubs are reluctant to sell. We've had since last January's window when we failed to get Wellbeck to plan for new striker. There are no excuses really.

These scouts aren't a magic formula, they're more there to identify which players are a good fit for the system and the club rather than which players are good players.

All games at a decent level around the world are televised and it's obvious to most who the good strikers are. Its rare that "hidden gems" are really unearthed these days.

There isn't a shed-load of great forwards that fit our criteria and who might be available for a fee we can afford.

I think pretty much everyone agreed, including Pulis it seems and Berahino that it seems West Brom played a game in the summer by indicating a deal could be done on certain terms but when bids came in didn't answer the phone to anyone and used the media to reject them. Berahino's reaction says it all. You can't legislate for people acting like Peace did and if Berahino was who Poch really wanted and we were confident for whatever reason of doing a deal we were right to keep trying all the way into the last hours of deadline day.

Bidding £15m is fine. While that undervalues him so does £30m overvalue. I'm pretty sure that it was felt and indicated that a deal could be done in the middle.
 

spursfan77

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Having 1 striker who is 21 years old who has never had a full premier league season probably has quite a lot to do with it!!!
 

Mullers

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These scouts aren't a magic formula, they're more there to identify which players are a good fit for the system and the club rather than which players are good players.

All games at a decent level around the world are televised and it's obvious to most who the good strikers are. Its rare that "hidden gems" are really unearthed these days.

There isn't a shed-load of great forwards that fit our criteria and who might be available for a fee we can afford.

I think pretty much everyone agreed, including Pulis it seems and Berahino that it seems West Brom played a game in the summer by indicating a deal could be done on certain terms but when bids came in didn't answer the phone to anyone and used the media to reject them. Berahino's reaction says it all. You can't legislate for people acting like Peace did and if Berahino was who Poch really wanted and we were confident for whatever reason of doing a deal we were right to keep trying all the way into the last hours of deadline day.

Bidding £15m is fine. While that undervalues him so does £30m overvalue. I'm pretty sure that it was felt and indicated that a deal could be done in the middle.
It's not fine because it's a waste of time. It was completely obvious to me that we wouldn't get him from the start of the transfer window when he was mentioned we just can't afford him and it was clear that West Brom didn't want to sell. I'd rather have an average striker that can come in and do a job rather than no striker at all.
There is little point in Mitchell being here if he isn't capable of getting some gems. Maybe we need to change our criteria and stop lusting after players we can't afford.
 

dudu

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our finishing is the problem for me - we have created more than enough chances and have had more than enough shots on target to have won all our games to be honest.

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I think perhaps the fullback situation is a work in progress - perhaps we have gone back to the basics in some respects and building up their freedom bit by bit while we concentrate on defending and keeping our shape a little more.

Hopefully their freedom to get forward will come as the weeks go by.
 

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Agree obviously and have been banging on about our FB's for ages, but also it has to be said, Dier, Alli and Dembele (despite being great defensively today) are not incisive, metronomic, progressive, quick transitioning CM's who facilitate or supply our attackers with that kind of service.

We do need FB's who can offer more offensively. Rose gets there more often but invariably wastes situations, walker rarely gets into good positions offensively and when he does he's woefully inept. But we also need to get the balance right in CM. Alli has some good qualities and is still very young, but he's not quite right for a CM2 with players like Dier and/or Dembele as none of them have that quick picture in their heads and pass/move/pass/move thing.

Liverpool pressed high up the pitch and gave special attention to close down the options for both Walker and Rose, and as a consequence they were stifled and offered little in terms of width in an attacking sense,
 

Ghost Hardware

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Kane is our biggest problem at the moment, he looks a shadow of his former self this season. Couldn't believe he missed yesterday when through on goal, last season he would have stuck that in the back of the net. Problem is, Kane has always had a habit of being a little selfish at times, which is fine when he is scoring but when he isn't then he can become a liability to our attack more then a bonus. Really he needs to be benched for a few games but that can't happen which means we have to just accept that things might not get much better any time soon. I also think we really need Son back as he brought a lot to our attack.
 
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Francis Gibbs

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Think the answer to question is pretty straightforward - lack of credible options.

Too much dependancy on a striker who is young and finding it hard to match a purple patch 6 month period. Along with other attacking options not contributing - Lamela, Chadli,Alli, Eriksen etc
 

HotspurFC1950

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This is the reason we tried hard for berahino. We needed / need more depth in the forward area. I'm sure we are learning as we go in each transfer window.
 

Xeeleeyid

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It's not fine because it's a waste of time. It was completely obvious to me that we wouldn't get him from the start of the transfer window when he was mentioned we just can't afford him and it was clear that West Brom didn't want to sell. I'd rather have an average striker that can come in and do a job rather than no striker at all.
There is little point in Mitchell being here if he isn't capable of getting some gems. Maybe we need to change our criteria and stop lusting after players we can't afford.

It wasn't completely obvious that we wouldn't get him. Everyone in the media, on here, at the club (at BOTH clubs it seems) thought we'd get him.

You'd rather have an average striker? That was the previous mistakes you were alluding to having not being learnt, yet you want to knee jerk again and clog up our squad with average crap, just after we've spent years trying to get rid of Adebayor, Kaboul, Capoue and all those guys, trim it down and have a flexible, young, hungry squad full of potential?

There is a huge point in Mitchell being here, his job isn't to unearth gems, it's to make sure the players we do buy hit the ground running and do well in the manager's system.

Pre-Mitchell a lot of our signings were not suitable. Post-Mitchell, I'd say every single signing from last summer looks the business so far. That's his job and the point of him being here.
 

aliyid

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On our finishing yesterday it seemed to be a flash back to the Defoe days where all our chances were blasted straight at the keeper rather than carefully curled or placed beyond his reach. (Apart from N'Jie's outside of the boot attempt).

I don't know if this was because Liverpools defence made a good job of closing down but it was all a bit rushed
 

Monkey boy

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I think yesterday showed why the majority of spurs fans are gutted about the Son injury. Please let him get back asap.
 
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