They shouldn't but the way Wembley is designed acoustically, we have to be careful. Noise doesn't travel well around the ground. There was a decent atmosphere last night but maybe only 2 or 3 occasions where the whole home ground appeared to be on the same hymn sheet!
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They shouldn't but the way Wembley is designed acoustically, we have to be careful. Noise doesn't travel well around the ground. There was a decent atmosphere last night but maybe only 2 or 3 occasions where the whole home ground appeared to be on the same hymn sheet!
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I think the fans were totally swayed by the location issue and the club either gave in to that( one view) or happily went for Wembley(the other view) . I don't blame the fans or the club for that (probable) decision, but I think that the reality of the effect on the team on the pitch is now being realised and those who are more concerned about the team's performances and league position next season than just the location of the ground are starting to make their concerns heard. Glenn Hoddle was very forthright about it on TV last night, he thought it was a potential disaster. This is nothing to do with atmosphere or pitch sizes, but giving up home advantage in 19 league games because that is what it amounts to. Yes , the other potential stadiums mentioned are not our ' home' either, but they are normal league grounds which will be packed with 90% Spurs fans and not feel like ' a grand day out' for every visiting team.
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Oh hindsight is such a wonderful thing.
Personally I feel circumstance, luck, a bad performance and lack of preparation all contributed. Wastn't just Wembley's fault by any means.
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Oh yes, I fully accept it is mainly hindsight, but my post is not about last night's game which you seem to be suggesting,rather the evidence of all of the games , especially compared to WHL
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If we go there then the club should take a hit on the ticket prices for us. Maximum of 20 quid a ticket. The club can afford to do that for 1 season.
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I understand some fans say that we should not blame the stadium. But I think this quote from Dejaegere of Gent reflects some truth:
"Six years ago I came to Wembley on a guided tour," Dejaegere said.
"I was not allowed on the pitch, there was a sign, 'don't enter the grass on the pitch'.
"It's fantastic, like the Mecca of all stadiums, so it gives you something extra. And if you see how many people were here from Gent it gave us something extra.
"But also maybe they always lose their games here so it can get in the heads of the players. Maybe they just need one big victory here which could change everything."
"Six years ago I came to Wembley on a guided tour," Dejaegere said.
"I was not allowed on the pitch, there was a sign, 'don't enter the grass on the pitch'.
"It's fantastic, like the Mecca of all stadiums, so it gives you something extra. And if you see how many people were here from Gent it gave us something extra.
"But also maybe they always lose their games here so it can get in the heads of the players. Maybe they just need one big victory here which could change everything."
Any player who blames the stadium for their performance yesterday or during any of the CL games in the fall should be sold at the club's earliest possible convenience. I don't care what the stadium looks like it is a football pitch and you should be able to play well on it. If it is a giant adjustment not going to Wembley next year is not going to make it any better. This time next year WHL will be a pit with a three quarters finished stadium in the middle of it. We need to play somewhere. Wembley is fairly close to WHL a three tier stadium like our new home and a large pitch like our new home. My advice to the players is to get used to it you don't have another option. My advice to the fans is you are going somewhere else if you want to watch Spurs for 15 months. In 18 months time we will have a palace on our old patch and the team is too good to be paralyzed by one bad season at Wembley.
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Apart from a very few posters here and on the match thread I don't think people have really grasped just how much our very poor form at Wembley is likely to damage our league form next year. People have (optimistically) been suggesting that it might mean we miss out on European football finishing 'as low as eighth' etc. I would argue that it could have a far more catastrophic effect than that and hope that the club realise this before making the final decision about where to play next year.
Imagine a scenario. Our first game at Wembley is against West Brom. We play poorly, look nervous and concede a last minute winner. Never mind, it's first game, teething troubles, we've got Stoke 'at home' next. But despite taking the lead, we don't win again, conceding a last minute equaliser. Oops. We've had a couple of tricky away games, and after 4 games are in the bottom three. And we've got Everton at Wembley next. They play brilliantly, and another insipid performance leads to a 1-2 defeat. There are lots of stories in the press about our Wembley woes, and the stadium is starting to feel really horrible, except to away fans, loving the spectacle of Wembley and scenting blood. The growing anxiety is briefly relieved by a scrappy home win against Palace, and everyone wonders if we've turned the corner. But we haven't. We play Man Utd next, and buoyed by their double cup win last season, one of which was at Wembley, they thump us 0-5. Now we're in real panic mode. We can't buy a win, the manager is all at sea, and the bad home form is beginning to affect our away performances, which had briefly moved us out of the bottom three. A bad away defeat to Newcastle has us back in the bottom three again in December. Wembley is feeling worse and worse. Everyone hates it. It's a nightmare to get out of on a Saturday afternoon. Luck and referees seem to be against us. The papers are suddenly full of stories about squad disharmony. But, where other teams have the respite of home games to lift them- we don't. Away game followed by dreaded Wembley. Over and over again. The home crowd is full of anxiety. We just can't get out of the bottom three. But don't worry. We're a good team, full of internationals. But in February, four points from safety, a horrible Wembley defeat to Man City leads to Poch being sacked. Everyone's dreading the last few home games- we might need to beat Arsenal at Wembley in the final game to stay up. But we couldn't go down. We couldn't be playing our first season at the new stadium in the Championship. Could we?
OK, the above is a fantasy, of course, but is it beyond people's imaginations to imagine something similar happening next year if we play at Wembley? Our form there is utterly wretched and it's not easy to imagine it improving any time soon. The fans hate it already. It's a soulless, synthetic, overpriced echoing toilet bowl of a stadium.
Hang on, though. Imagine if we played at MK Dons or somewhere similar. Nice medium sized stadium, 30,000. We could make it into a real home from home. Away teams coming to us would be unfamiliar with the stadium. There would be no Wembley legacy raising the mood of visiting teams and instilling us with fear. We could make visits to our new temporary home very uncomfortable for visiting teams. I could see us having a really good season at a stadium like that.
We won't use MK Dons though, or Craven Cottage, or anywhere else like it. We will go for Wembley, because we can entertain huge crowds there and make money. But in doing so we run the risk of a truly horrible, if not catastrophic, season.
I expect a ton of dislikes and WTFs to this post. But I think going to Wembley could be a fucking disaster. Thoughts please.
Imagine a scenario. Our first game at Wembley is against West Brom. We play poorly, look nervous and concede a last minute winner. Never mind, it's first game, teething troubles, we've got Stoke 'at home' next. But despite taking the lead, we don't win again, conceding a last minute equaliser. Oops. We've had a couple of tricky away games, and after 4 games are in the bottom three. And we've got Everton at Wembley next. They play brilliantly, and another insipid performance leads to a 1-2 defeat. There are lots of stories in the press about our Wembley woes, and the stadium is starting to feel really horrible, except to away fans, loving the spectacle of Wembley and scenting blood. The growing anxiety is briefly relieved by a scrappy home win against Palace, and everyone wonders if we've turned the corner. But we haven't. We play Man Utd next, and buoyed by their double cup win last season, one of which was at Wembley, they thump us 0-5. Now we're in real panic mode. We can't buy a win, the manager is all at sea, and the bad home form is beginning to affect our away performances, which had briefly moved us out of the bottom three. A bad away defeat to Newcastle has us back in the bottom three again in December. Wembley is feeling worse and worse. Everyone hates it. It's a nightmare to get out of on a Saturday afternoon. Luck and referees seem to be against us. The papers are suddenly full of stories about squad disharmony. But, where other teams have the respite of home games to lift them- we don't. Away game followed by dreaded Wembley. Over and over again. The home crowd is full of anxiety. We just can't get out of the bottom three. But don't worry. We're a good team, full of internationals. But in February, four points from safety, a horrible Wembley defeat to Man City leads to Poch being sacked. Everyone's dreading the last few home games- we might need to beat Arsenal at Wembley in the final game to stay up. But we couldn't go down. We couldn't be playing our first season at the new stadium in the Championship. Could we?
OK, the above is a fantasy, of course, but is it beyond people's imaginations to imagine something similar happening next year if we play at Wembley? Our form there is utterly wretched and it's not easy to imagine it improving any time soon. The fans hate it already. It's a soulless, synthetic, overpriced echoing toilet bowl of a stadium.
Hang on, though. Imagine if we played at MK Dons or somewhere similar. Nice medium sized stadium, 30,000. We could make it into a real home from home. Away teams coming to us would be unfamiliar with the stadium. There would be no Wembley legacy raising the mood of visiting teams and instilling us with fear. We could make visits to our new temporary home very uncomfortable for visiting teams. I could see us having a really good season at a stadium like that.
We won't use MK Dons though, or Craven Cottage, or anywhere else like it. We will go for Wembley, because we can entertain huge crowds there and make money. But in doing so we run the risk of a truly horrible, if not catastrophic, season.
I expect a ton of dislikes and WTFs to this post. But I think going to Wembley could be a fucking disaster. Thoughts please.
Paragraphs, man.
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For those that couldn't be bothered to read @Doctor Dinkey's post, he thinks we could get relegated next season and Poch will be sacked.
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Ha ha, no I don't.
But I think that Wembley could be bad for us. I'd prefer to play elsewhere.
Dunno why paragraphs didn't work...
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Suspect that will be the case for midweek games
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I don't get it... You've just created an imaginary crisis situation, by making up a load of bad results from an imaginary run of fixtures???
Imagine a scenario where we beat Arsenal at Wembley in this years FA Cup semi final, then buoyed by the win we go on to beat Utd 2-1 in the final with an imaginary last minute winner. We go into next season having buried the Wembley hoodoo and win the premier league before moving into the new stadium as champions... no doesn't mean shit either because it's made up too.
I agree that teams will raise their game for Wembley, but 80% of what you just wrote about made up results, imaginary press stories of disharmony and referees being against us in a make believe season is pointless.
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ffs
how many people wanting MK stadium have actually been to a football match there?
Us fans said we wanted to stay in London
Dog Brady said no way OS
Arsenal don't want to rebuild their toilets every week
Where else can we go?
Wembley is a great stadium where everyone who wants to see spurs actually will be able to
Wembley jinx? - bollocks we beat Moscow there
OK so where would we go?
cant we just stop being negative moaning old ****s and get on with it
When spurs aren't on top or winning the atmosphere isn't electric at the lane and ive been going there since 81. Its our home but look at what we are building. cant we please get some counselling and improve our outlook/mood and back the club in where its trying to go
how many people wanting MK stadium have actually been to a football match there?
Us fans said we wanted to stay in London
Dog Brady said no way OS
Arsenal don't want to rebuild their toilets every week
Where else can we go?
Wembley is a great stadium where everyone who wants to see spurs actually will be able to
Wembley jinx? - bollocks we beat Moscow there
OK so where would we go?
cant we just stop being negative moaning old ****s and get on with it
When spurs aren't on top or winning the atmosphere isn't electric at the lane and ive been going there since 81. Its our home but look at what we are building. cant we please get some counselling and improve our outlook/mood and back the club in where its trying to go
homer hotspur
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Absolutely agree, see my previous posts
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It would be fabulous if we went on to beat Arsenal at Wembley, and I agree, winning this and then the FA cup would massively transform how we feel about the new stadium.
I think we're taking a big risk going into a new place where we have such bad, bad form though. I would much rather we had explored other options. I just feel that if we don't break this phobia soon (and it is becoming a phobia, let's not beat about the bush) things could spiral away from us very quickly and if people don't recognise we could be looking at a problem here they're being daft.
Craven Cottage would be a wonderful place to us to spend our year out. No chance at all?
homer hotspur
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I am not sure there is a 'phobia' as such( although that could be how it seems), it is more to do with the fact that it totally changes the mentality of the 'away' team and that makes it much harder for us to impose ourselves.
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And what if moving to our new stadium means we have a string of bad results there and do badly in the league? What if Kane gets injured? What if Lloris wants to leave? WHAT IF JAR-JAR BINKS IS SNOKE?!?!?!
There's so many what if's and possibilities. We don't know yet. Wembley is a good stadium and we've not played well there but we've not played well every game this season and we've not played well in Europe for a while. I don't think it's been Wembley's fault. It's been a factor but never the sole reason. We, in general, need to improve and become more consistent. That's a general thing with the league (and I know we're third and have more points than last season so it's not to say we're been or are bad, but just to say if for the next set of improvements that's what it is)
There's so many what if's and possibilities. We don't know yet. Wembley is a good stadium and we've not played well there but we've not played well every game this season and we've not played well in Europe for a while. I don't think it's been Wembley's fault. It's been a factor but never the sole reason. We, in general, need to improve and become more consistent. That's a general thing with the league (and I know we're third and have more points than last season so it's not to say we're been or are bad, but just to say if for the next set of improvements that's what it is)
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