What do we need to win ‘titles’ ?
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We need the biggest budget in England and titles will come easily just like it did for Manchester City, Chelsea and all the other rich fuckbois playthings.
Or just a season with this talented squad where everyone gets going without like 10 long term injuries to our most vital players.
Or just a season with this talented squad where everyone gets going without like 10 long term injuries to our most vital players.
Spurs 1961
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I am sure the stats tell us that we are one of the top scoring teams from set pieces? But do agree that my perception is that we don't score as many as we should with the likes of Eriksen on the ball
parj
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Three things
1) players running at opposition - when we pass around opposition they just block the channels. When you run at someone you force then to commit and if you beat you are opening up the opposition.
2) our own Stadium back. Wembley is dead. It's got no atmosphere.
3) players playing like a team again. But that includes the bench. Yesterday we saw a poor defensive team effort in the second half after Dembele went off. Sissoko should have been doing what Dembele did. Track and carry the ball out and give it early to the danger men. Dembele looked all kinds of wrong yesterday - poor control, slow and looking for safest options - but still was key to our team.
1) players running at opposition - when we pass around opposition they just block the channels. When you run at someone you force then to commit and if you beat you are opening up the opposition.
2) our own Stadium back. Wembley is dead. It's got no atmosphere.
3) players playing like a team again. But that includes the bench. Yesterday we saw a poor defensive team effort in the second half after Dembele went off. Sissoko should have been doing what Dembele did. Track and carry the ball out and give it early to the danger men. Dembele looked all kinds of wrong yesterday - poor control, slow and looking for safest options - but still was key to our team.
bomberH
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For me it’s wages. You can build a great team over a couple of years like Poch has done but you can’t sustain it without a big wage. When a player is on 60k here but can get 150k elsewhere, we will always struggle to keep them. If they’re on a similar wage structure to the other big clubs, then they’ll be less desire to move on their part. And other big players will be more content on the bench, as you see with other big clubs.
I don’t know what everyone is on but I genuinely imagine that almost every single player could double their wages if they left in the summer. There’s more greed than loyalty in football, that’s just the way it is nowadays. I’ve made my thoughts clear on how I feel about being taken over and unfortunately I still believe it’s the only way we’ll compete with the oil clubs on a regular basis. If there was a wage cap of £100k a player, most players would have chosen us over City and we’d have won the league by now. Unfortunately there’s no wage cap...
I’m proud of what we’ve done and how we’ve done it but my opinion is that, unfortunately, if we want to seriously challenge for titles... and do it on a regular basis.... we need a very decent investment and to pay everyone what they’re worth within the current market.
I don’t know what everyone is on but I genuinely imagine that almost every single player could double their wages if they left in the summer. There’s more greed than loyalty in football, that’s just the way it is nowadays. I’ve made my thoughts clear on how I feel about being taken over and unfortunately I still believe it’s the only way we’ll compete with the oil clubs on a regular basis. If there was a wage cap of £100k a player, most players would have chosen us over City and we’d have won the league by now. Unfortunately there’s no wage cap...
I’m proud of what we’ve done and how we’ve done it but my opinion is that, unfortunately, if we want to seriously challenge for titles... and do it on a regular basis.... we need a very decent investment and to pay everyone what they’re worth within the current market.
luptic
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What we need is better option on from the bench, an upgrade in midfield, and upgrades in the full back area.
The likes of Zaha, Barkley etc would be an upgrade, but we need pace that Liverpool has.
We have the core of a very good side, but it wouldn't take £300m to make it happen.
We just need to take a chance on some player like hirving Lozano.
The likes of Zaha, Barkley etc would be an upgrade, but we need pace that Liverpool has.
We have the core of a very good side, but it wouldn't take £300m to make it happen.
We just need to take a chance on some player like hirving Lozano.
shelfboy68
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To win a title or titles you need a good manager which we have, a balanced squad of sufficient quality across all positions, a bit more belief in ourselves in the big away games to actually get a result now and again then finally a bit of luck.
Roynie
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I don't think he was bought purely as a backup to HK but also as someone that he could learn off. FL was a top striker with different skills to Harry and is someone who has a lot to give in terms of experience. That can only be beneficial to both Harry and the club.
I believe our model can get around the problem of losing players. We need to fine tune out scouting system and make it better. We spent 70 million on players that have not shown themselves to be good enough. We need a commitment to the DOF model. We need to take a bit more of a chance on youth. Have them play in premier league matches not just two or three matches in the cup. I want to see Onomah coming back rather than us waiting until the closing minutes to buy a substandard midfielder for 20-30 million pounds.
Was, but he isn't any more, even if he was a hit, we'd still have to replace him sooner or later.
mpickard2087
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A boring, and not the easy or popular answer, but simply we must keep improving all facets, both with and without the ball, and work to minimise mistakes. In particular there are too many crunch games I feel where we lose because we commit an error or concede avoidable goals, obviously the mentality and resilience of the squad has come a long, long way in recent years but we still can be a bit weak on the very biggest occasions.
rossdapep
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A mixture of what others have mentioned. Certainly, reinforcements that improve us and give us an extra dimension to our play.
However I feel that we need to continue improving our in-game management, especially at places like Old Trafford, learn to be stronger in these games, perhaps a little braver and more confident in winning. We had absolutely nothing to fear against that United team, yet we ended up spending most of that game looking tame which eventually led to us making a mistake and costing us a silly goal. Confident teams don't really do that. There's also occasions where we have given up late away goals due to our unwillingness to accept a draw (Chelsea at Wembley, United away again).
I'd also suggest we need to be better from the months October-December. Whether it's European distractions, injuries or players out of form this dip is proving costly. Had we not had that dip last season we'd have won the league, had we not had it this season, we'd likely be 2nd or 3rd.
We are doing a lot of things right, we just need to overcome these final few hurdles to really start to win stuff.
However I feel that we need to continue improving our in-game management, especially at places like Old Trafford, learn to be stronger in these games, perhaps a little braver and more confident in winning. We had absolutely nothing to fear against that United team, yet we ended up spending most of that game looking tame which eventually led to us making a mistake and costing us a silly goal. Confident teams don't really do that. There's also occasions where we have given up late away goals due to our unwillingness to accept a draw (Chelsea at Wembley, United away again).
I'd also suggest we need to be better from the months October-December. Whether it's European distractions, injuries or players out of form this dip is proving costly. Had we not had that dip last season we'd have won the league, had we not had it this season, we'd likely be 2nd or 3rd.
We are doing a lot of things right, we just need to overcome these final few hurdles to really start to win stuff.
Mr Pink
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Agree. We're hitting stride again now, but I'm particularly intrigued to see how we do at Anfield in a few weeks time.
Will we capitulate, or will we put in a disciplined hard working performance. You need a certain amount of steel to go to Anfield and execute a game plan under the pressure and strains of the conditions up there.
But that's the next step in terms of progressing our mentality, and with that we'll see less mistakes.
BringBack_leGin
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Last season we beat all of the big sides at home apart from liverpool, with whom we drew. We were also by far the better side in each of those ties bar Liverpool.
If we’d started this season with the types of performances v ambitionless bus parkers (Burnley, Swansea, Chelsea, WBA home, Utd away) that we have just seen v Burnley and Southampton, we’d be second. Now that we appear to have cracked that particular nut, I wouldn’t be shocked to see us achieve second again this season. Like last season, it may even be with a points total which would see us Champions in other years had we not been chasing a side who had just spent the gdp of a medium sized country.
As for titles, does the Champions League count? Because we are winning that this year.
LukaKranjcar
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Liverpool are about to drop £75m on Van Dijk and have Naby Keita coming in next season for near enough the same amount. We're nowhere near that level of spend. Money is the difference.
shelfboy68
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Though van dyke was going city now.
