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dagraham

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freeeki said:
Keeping Toby really isn’t as important as some of us seem to think it is.
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Disagree. He’s still a top class CB, and we’ll either replace him with Dier ( who is years behind him in that position) or have to replace him at the end of the window in a crazy transfer market.
 
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ITK regarding Leicester not selling Maguire may force utds hand to entertain the Toby/martial transfers.
 
SpartanSpur

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dagraham said:
Disagree. He’s still a top class CB, and we’ll either replace him with Dier ( who is years behind him in that position) or have to replace him at the end of the window in a crazy transfer market.
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Let's see:-

- He clearly upset key people at the club.
- He won't accept being Davinson's backup. IMHO Davinson is too promising a talent to reduce to backup. Davinson helped us get CL football when Toby got his annual injury.
- We've likely been planning on being without him for the last 6 months. Could keeping him mess all that up? Would we move to a 3 at the back system to accomodate?

It's probably easier to just move on regardless of how good a player he is. As ITKs have said we would have feelers out there on possible replacements. Plus if we buy from abroad on the 9th they'd still have 3 weeks to find a replacement.

I'd be happy if he stayed but that's my view, especially if he could get us Martial in return.
 
dtxspurs

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Would you rather go against a Toby, Bailly partnership or have Martial attacking us in ManU's current setup? That duo is going to make them really damn solid at the back and not easy to break down.

My stance has been De Ligt + Martial is probably better than Toby, even them I'm still not thrilled at all about giving ManU the best defender in the premier league (in my opinion).
 
Luka Van der Bale

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dtxspurs said:
Would you rather go against a Toby, Bailly partnership or have Martial attacking us in ManU's current setup? That duo is going to make them really damn solid at the back and not easy to break down.

My stance has been De Ligt + Martial is probably better than Toby, even them I'm still not thrilled at all about giving ManU the best defender in the premier league (in my opinion).
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We play against United twice a season in the league. All our rivals also play them twice. The most important thing is how much this deal would improve us.
 
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UTD had the 2nd best defense last season, conceding 1 goal more than City (28). Will Toby improve that defense more than what Martial will do to our attack?
 
Univarn

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dtxspurs said:
Would you rather go against a Toby, Bailly partnership or have Martial attacking us in ManU's current setup? That duo is going to make them really damn solid at the back and not easy to break down.

My stance has been De Ligt + Martial is probably better than Toby, even them I'm still not thrilled at all about giving ManU the best defender in the premier league (in my opinion).
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The problem with a Bailly-Toby back line is that neither is particularly good at playing LCB. You'd have to play Bailly there most likely or play Jones, Smalling, or Rojo (is here still there?) and bench Toby or Bailly. Which is why buying Maguire would make sense for them, financial insanity aside, because that's what they need.
 
freeeki

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dagraham said:
Disagree. He’s still a top class CB, and we’ll either replace him with Dier ( who is years behind him in that position) or have to replace him at the end of the window in a crazy transfer market.
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Or we could do what we’ve done since Christmas, and play Sanchez at the back with Vertonghen?

Everyone seems to forget that Toby barely featured for us from the mid point of last season, and when he did finally return we started dropping points all over the gaff. Not suggesting that correlation = causation in that regard, but surely if he was the reincarnation of Paolo Maldini as some like to make out then we’d have been more solid than ever in those games. We weren’t.

And even taking that out of the equation, we know from ITK that Toby has seriously upset Poch, and it goes well beyond wanting to force a move.

If he stays, he stays, but he isn’t even an automatic starter any more IMO given the rise and rise of Davinson in that position.

If we can get upwards of £50M for a 29 year old CB who has made himself a bench player through injuries, his performances and his conduct, then we should snap their hands off.

The sentimentality around Toby is seriously misplaced. He’s a good defender who’s generally played well for the club for three years. He isn’t a club legend like Ledley or Vertonghen, and he never will be. Sod him.

If we can use him to engineer the signing of Martial then happy days all around.
 
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freeeki said:
Or we could do what we’ve done since Christmas, and play Sanchez at the back with Vertonghen?

Everyone seems to forget that Toby barely featured for us from the mid point of last season, and when he did finally return we started dropping points all over the gaff. Not suggesting that correlation = causation in that regard, but surely if he was the reincarnation of Paolo Maldini as some like to make out then we’d have been more solid than ever in those games. We weren’t.

And even taking that out of the equation, we know from ITK that Toby has seriously upset Poch, and it goes well beyond wanting to force a move.

If he stays, he stays, but he isn’t even an automatic starter any more IMO given the rise and rise of Davinson in that position.

If we can get upwards of £50M for a 29 year old CB who has made himself a bench player through injuries, his performances and his conduct, then we should snap their hands off.

The sentimentality around Toby is seriously misplaced. He’s a good defender who’s generally played well for the club for three years. He isn’t a club legend like Ledley or Vertonghen, and he never will be. Sod him.

If we can use him to engineer the signing of Martial then happy days all around.
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Excellent post. 12 months ago we’d have laughed at the idea of getting rid of him. Sanchez’s performances have been very promising, including at the WC, and generally we didn’t miss him as much as we missed, say, Walker. Then his recent ‘unjustified’ comments suggest he has no real self awareness of his situation which is either monumentally stupid or narcissistic, or both.
He’s not showing any signs of being a genuine club man, nor is he invaluable because of his injuries and Sanchez.
I’d sell him regardless because he sounds like a highly polished bell-end and Poch hates those kind of players
 
Johnny J

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freeeki said:
Or we could do what we’ve done since Christmas, and play Sanchez at the back with Vertonghen?

Everyone seems to forget that Toby barely featured for us from the mid point of last season, and when he did finally return we started dropping points all over the gaff. Not suggesting that correlation = causation in that regard, but surely if he was the reincarnation of Paolo Maldini as some like to make out then we’d have been more solid than ever in those games. We weren’t.

And even taking that out of the equation, we know from ITK that Toby has seriously upset Poch, and it goes well beyond wanting to force a move.

If he stays, he stays, but he isn’t even an automatic starter any more IMO given the rise and rise of Davinson in that position.

If we can get upwards of £50M for a 29 year old CB who has made himself a bench player through injuries, his performances and his conduct, then we should snap their hands off.

The sentimentality around Toby is seriously misplaced. He’s a good defender who’s generally played well for the club for three years. He isn’t a club legend like Ledley or Vertonghen, and he never will be. Sod him.

If we can use him to engineer the signing of Martial then happy days all around.
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I'd say he's more than a "good defender who has generally played well", but otherwise spot on.
 
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