Ok I will. 17-18. we had our worst record for 4 years. Toby out. DS in. Goals conceded up, points down. Only real difference to last season was that we had Dembele for a lot of it which meant we controlled more games against poor sides.
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Ok I will. 17-18. we had our worst record for 4 years. Toby out. DS in. Goals conceded up, points down. Only real difference to last season was that we had Dembele for a lot of it which meant we controlled more games against poor sides.
CoopsieDeadpool
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No. Last season we lost 7 PL games with him playing all but 7 of them. This season we lost 13, almost twice as many, but without him playing the majority.
You conveniently use Dembele as a reason for last seasons record, but not for this seasons.
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You have defeated your own argument by pointing out a major factor for the increase in defeats. 3 years ago we had peak Dembele, Wanyama and Walker. Obviously if you play without a proper DM protecting the back four, as we have this season, then your defence is exposed more.
Lighty64
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If I’m clueless then I’d give up watching football if I was you. The previous season we never lost that many and he had to play the majority because Toby was out.
Toby only missed 2 games and was involved in 17 also, might even be 18
Lighty64
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and just to confirm CLUELESS for you
we had 20 defeats and you say he played in 17 of those.
yet he never played v
Liverpool (h) https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/45456656
Arsenal (a) https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/46333099
Man U (h) https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/46772779
Burnley (a) https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/47262464
Chelsea in the cup he was on for 10mins when we were already 2-1 down, Man C in CL he came on in the 91st minute. and he never featured in the CL Final
so that's 5 of the 20 he wasn't involved in, 2 he was on at the end but didn't start and we was losing before he came on.
I can just imagine your school report when you get it next month "Johnny doesn't do his homework correctly"
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I don't know why you guys are arguing with someone who said Trippier has been our worst player in 10 years. That alone is enough to shut my brain off towards anything he says.
Yes Trippier has been poor this season and even he admitted it, but to go as far as saying he has been our worst player in 10 years is laughable. Soldado, Janssen, Vlad, Caulker to name a few are further down the list than Trippier and that's barely 5/6 years back.
Also, Sanchez bang average? I can't deal.
Yes Trippier has been poor this season and even he admitted it, but to go as far as saying he has been our worst player in 10 years is laughable. Soldado, Janssen, Vlad, Caulker to name a few are further down the list than Trippier and that's barely 5/6 years back.
Also, Sanchez bang average? I can't deal.
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TBF it is easy to forget about Stambouli...
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A perfect recent example.
I actually looked at his appearances. He started 17 of 20 defeats in all competitions. We lost over half the games he started. ESPN is your friend for that.
Yes. Because he didn't play this season!
Soon as the back 4 has been exposed it has been annihilated. Why? Because they aren't very good!!
We are talking about regular first teamers.
How many of those players were first choice? Most of them were back ups to the back up.
I will rephrase. Worst first team regular for years.
Those players were barely back ups to the back up.
If any of the numbers are slightly out, or grammar, apologies I'm on shit 4G in the desert.
I will rephrase for the rose tinted brigade. He is the worst first team regular for years.
Those players you mention were barely back ups to the back up. You may as well mention Foyth, anotherdefensive liability.
You don't lose 20 games in a season, with an above average defense. Numbers don't lie over 55-60 games. And the performances since Xmas have been a joke.A decent home game against City and 1 half against Ajax do not change that.
Our game in the second half of the season has been built around safety football, even more than previous years, in order to not over expose the defensive frailties. Against good sides, or even sides that are bang up for it (e.g West Ham, Burnley) , that doesn't work because our weaker players aren't good under pressure. Poch knows it, the rose tinted brigade will never know it. He has been public with his cry for money because he knows he worked miracles this season and is unlikely to again
I will rephrase for the rose tinted brigade. He is the worst first team regular for years.
Those players you mention were barely back ups to the back up. You may as well mention Foyth, anotherdefensive liability.
You don't lose 20 games in a season, with an above average defense. Numbers don't lie over 55-60 games. And the performances since Xmas have been a joke.A decent home game against City and 1 half against Ajax do not change that.
Our game in the second half of the season has been built around safety football, even more than previous years, in order to not over expose the defensive frailties. Against good sides, or even sides that are bang up for it (e.g West Ham, Burnley) , that doesn't work because our weaker players aren't good under pressure. Poch knows it, the rose tinted brigade will never know it. He has been public with his cry for money because he knows he worked miracles this season and is unlikely to again
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Nobody is arguing that we have performed poorly over the past few months, it’s more your gross exaggeration of Trippier’s faults as well as both Foyth and Sanchez.
You need to remember most of us are very impartial and tend to take both sides of an argument or debate into account before we reply and engage in a discussion.
I can see by the tone and manner of your posts that you have a mindset about these players and nothing or no one is going to change that which is why I wouldn’t bother engaging with you about your opinion.
You’re entitled to think that way however you are going about this discussion in the wrong manner and when you’ve been proven wrong with statistics or reasoning for poor performances you change your story to fit your own narrative instead of opening your mind and trying to see things from others point of view.
I feel I am a positive contributor to this site and to most discussions and I tend to try give as much information as possible on any given player or situation so that I can engage with other members of this forum.
It might be a good idea to try and engage with the other forum members than to outright start an argument. Most of the members here are stellar individuals and you’ll find it so much more enjoyable to talk to one another instead of arguing.
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Assuming we keep Toby, I'd love to see some money splurged on Wan Bissaka and Sessegnon.
Play Dier as a holding midfielder / third CB (and try Foyth out as his deputy) in some games, and Sissoko as a straight up ball winner in others.
Encourage Winks to play a more attacking role. Add some new midfield talent (emphasis on creativity).
Get Dele and Son buzzing around Kane, and make those three our main forward line. Support to come from Lucas, Lamela (one last throw of the dice for him), and a new addition or two with some real pace (Zaha would be nice, Bale would be the dream, but both probably too expensive).
Shift Eriksen, Lorente, Janssen, Trippier, Aurier, Vorm, GKN, Onomah and Carter-Vickers.
Bring back the pace, press and aggression.
Play Dier as a holding midfielder / third CB (and try Foyth out as his deputy) in some games, and Sissoko as a straight up ball winner in others.
Encourage Winks to play a more attacking role. Add some new midfield talent (emphasis on creativity).
Get Dele and Son buzzing around Kane, and make those three our main forward line. Support to come from Lucas, Lamela (one last throw of the dice for him), and a new addition or two with some real pace (Zaha would be nice, Bale would be the dream, but both probably too expensive).
Shift Eriksen, Lorente, Janssen, Trippier, Aurier, Vorm, GKN, Onomah and Carter-Vickers.
Bring back the pace, press and aggression.
Lighty64
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and just to confirm CLUELESS for you
we had 20 defeats and you say he played in 17 of those.
yet he never played v
Liverpool (h) https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/45456656
Arsenal (a) https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/46333099
Man U (h) https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/46772779
Burnley (a) https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/47262464
Chelsea in the cup he was on for 10mins when we were already 2-1 down, Man C in CL he came on in the 91st minute. and he never featured in the CL Final
so that's 5 of the 20 he wasn't involved in, 2 he was on at the end but didn't start and we was losing before he came on.
I can just imagine your school report when you get it next month "Johnny doesn't do his homework correctly"
can someone else post these stats to @Maske2g, when he said he won't discus with me I didn't realise he must of put me on ignore, yet after posting proof he is still banging on about 17 out of 20
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Listen. I know you're doubling down and I admire you for it but you're making yourself look silly. Your initial statement was that Sanchez isn't good enough and that you believed him to be a liability, you stated anybody with eyes would say the same. Many people with eyes disagreed and now you've gone on a tirade with incorrect stats and talk of Trippier and Dembele. Give it up.
. If you are happy to lose 20 games a season go free. It's not a fun watch.
Lighty64
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why are you ignoring correct stats compared to your imaginary ones
I would also like you to list goals you believe where due to his mistakes out of his inclusion of his 13 starts when we lost.
this could be fun, being stuck in the desert with a dodgy 4g, could take awhile. next excuse will be a sand storm
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@Trix - I’ve followed your posts, this is not meant to be an against the rules asking a question of an ITK, it’s more your opinion. I see you’ve bemoaned in the past that over the last 18 months or so we seem to stopped the high intensity press that we were so good at the years Leicester and Chelsea won the PL. It only now appears sporadically but seems to coincide with our better performances.
I just wonder why do you think Poch has seemingly moved away from that in a way Klopp hasn’t?
I can’t be that we have different players (Dembele aside). Might be that by and large we have much more of the ball than most teams but we don’t seem to press like we did against City and Liverpool when we smashed them both a few seasons ago.
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Lions shares of posession but ive never seen us play like this
Everytime its like watching 10 people scratching their head and deciding what to eat for lunch
Everytime its like watching 10 people scratching their head and deciding what to eat for lunch
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