Match Threads Spurs vs Arsenal - Match Thread - Day 11

fishhhandaricecake · Dec 6, 2020

alexn_spurs said:
Don't underestimate the momentum we're building from these results. The players will fully believe that they're capable of achieving anything this season

Spot on.

I don’t give a monkeys arse about the style we are getting these wins, anyone saying it is boring needs to give themselves a slap round the face and appreciate the results we are getting with one of the best managers of all time. The momentum is building.

And for anyone saying oh but 2nd half we didn’t have a shot and they had 77% possession, yes but we scored 2, they scored 0 and didn’t look like scoring, we are top of the league and they’re 15th, I know which id be happier with.

Hazelton · Dec 6, 2020

Not being funny, if we end up winning the league then I couldn't give a shit how we do it. The team could stop the game, look into the camera and personally tell me to go fuck myself every 15 minutes for the rest of the season and I'd still be elated as we lift that trophy.

Reece_Spurs · Dec 6, 2020

Duck said:
Man City is a simple case of shut down De Bruyne and you've shut down Man City. No Aguero is also huge, because Gabriel Jesus isn't even half the player Aguero is/was.

Frank Lampard didn't play with an attacking mindset, he made sure the defence were always playing deep enough to make our counterattacking extremely difficult.

Liverpool have Salah, Mane and Jota. That's a far bigger challenge to contain than both City and Chelsea.

De Bruyne had alot of time on the ball from what I recall, but couldnt do much with it. I think when we play how we do with 2 banks of 4 behind the ball even the best players won't be able to play any kind of killer ball in behind because there's just not the space.

Our biggest problem against Liverpool won't be the front 3 directly but the fullbacks, you saw it today, all Arsenals good chances came from crosses on the wing, if we let TAA and Robertson have that freedom then we won't be keeping a clean sheet. I fully expect Jose to start the game with Sissoko doubling up with Aurier on the right and Moura or Bergwijn on the left trying to prevent the fullbacks overlapping.

Stop TAA and Robertson and you stop 90% of Liverpools attacks.

Shadydan · Dec 6, 2020

Duck said:
That was literally a one in a million shot, and we had Davinson Sanchez playing.

West Ham also have an objectively better front three than Arsenal right now.

Nah the whole match we were open and still vulnerable , since then Jose has locked it down. Fans may not like it but he's doing it for the better.

Norgie · Dec 6, 2020

jay2040 · Dec 6, 2020

Spurs 1961 said:
I can imagine a game where the ball is kicked into the centre circle and stays there for five minutes because neither side is allowed by their coaches to move out of their third of the pitch. Cant take such risks. Loved how Jose for the sec9nd match in a row f8nished with six defenders, two defensive midfield players and the luxury of two attacking players. He is getting more defensive as the days go on. Too scared, too stuck in his ways.

How is life on planet deluded?

jay2040 · Dec 6, 2020

alexn_spurs said:
Don't underestimate the momentum we're building from these results. The players will fully believe that they're capable of achieving anything this season

Its momentum and respect from the other teams. Less weaknesses to exploit.
It was also great seeing Ledley getting vocal!

floydiohead · Dec 6, 2020

UbeAstard said:
Do you still hate it when we are winning and top?

I honestly don't get it.

A number of my mates after today moaning about us.

We are top of the league. We've scored more goals than 17 other teams in the league. We've got the best defence. We've lost once in 11. We've just played city, Chelsea, and arsenal, got seven points and conceded none against them.

But apparently we are are playing badly.

SuperPav10 said:
Defending and organisational discipline is just as much a part of football as tika-taka and gung-ho, balls out attacking is. I'm genuinely interested in watching a side defend and enjoy doing it. I get the same feeling with Simeone's Atletico. And most of the history of Italian football is built around defending well. So, it's not "anti football". It's just not the football you wanna watch. So, why are you watching it?

Amen, brother.

Saoirse · Dec 6, 2020

Gbspurs · Dec 6, 2020

Reece_Spurs said:
De Bruyne had alot of time on the ball from what I recall, but couldnt do much with it. I think when we play how we do with 2 banks of 4 behind the ball even the best players won't be able to play any kind of killer ball in behind because there's just not the space.

Our biggest problem against Liverpool won't be the front 3 directly but the fullbacks, you saw it today, all Arsenals good chances came from crosses on the wing, if we let TAA and Robertson have that freedom then we won't be keeping a clean sheet. I fully expect Jose to start the game with Sissoko doubling up with Aurier on the right and Moura or Bergwijn on the left trying to prevent the fullbacks overlapping.

Stop TAA and Robertson and you stop 90% of Liverpools attacks.

You're right, same from Chelsea, Reece James was their best player. Something we need to work on next few weeks.

lennon180 · Dec 6, 2020

I think we are going to lose pretty badly against Liverpool. But I think we will beattjem at home

floydiohead · Dec 6, 2020

rez9000 said:
And you're wrong. There is no anti-football. Without meaning to sound horrendously aggressive, the idea of anti-football is bullshit.

Negative tactics are part of football. If you didn't have "negative" tactics, you wouldn't have "positive" tactics. And in point of fact, you don't have either - you just have tactics.

Game management is part of football. Playing ultra-defensively (not that I'd actually accuse Mourniho of that) is part of football.

There is only one commonality that every single player, manager, fan and chairman wants and that is to win.

And Mourinho is a winner. And rather than excoriate him for it, every single one of us should be celebrating the fact that he uses every tool at his disposal to give us the best chance of securing the win. If that means time-wasting, so be it. If that means playing six at the back, so be it. If that means playing mind games, so be it.

No manager or player was ever hired to do anything other than win:

"Ah, nice to meet you Mr Levy. Yes, I'm going to be spending many tens of millions of pounds of money you control, but I think this whole winning games thing is so passe. You know it's very pre-Covid, yah? I think I'm going to set up my team in a 1-0-9 formation. We'll score a lot of goals and it'll be exciting, but we're not going to win much. Oh, that's the exit? Yes, thank you. Thank you for your time."

Yeah?

Mourinho is honest in his approach. He does not lie, he doesn't obfuscate. He doesn't dress it up as anything other than a desire to do what he is hired to do - win.

And if you think that the likes of Pep or Klopp or Bielsa or any of the others is any different, you're deluding yourself. They too want to win. They use different methods, but that's all they want - to win.

Mourinho has a weaker hand than the likes of Chelsea or Liverpool or Man City and so he has to do what he can to win. That means having to use every single tool he can lay his hands on to get his team over the line and get the points. We don't have to like it, but we do have to respect that he has the same objective in mind as every single one of us - to get us wins and he will do everything he can to do so.

That doesn't require liking it, but it does demand respect.

Superb.

lennon180 · Dec 6, 2020

Beat palace and the Liverpool game is a free hit

Griff001 · Dec 6, 2020

Well I thoroughly enjoyed that. Felt so confident second half that we wouldn't ever concede also, don't think I've ever felt that way as a Spurs fan before.

Lovely positive analysis on MOTD2 just then as well. Only slightly annoying point was that not only did they not comment on Sons goal, they didn't even show it!

Loved Jose saying something along the lines of "we could have been more positive in the second half... But we do we need to?!" Beautiful stuff.

fridgemagnet · Dec 6, 2020

freeeki said:

Please for the love of doG tell me that there's not a spurs equivalent out there; I'd be embarrassed.

Bobbins · Dec 6, 2020

taidgh said:
Haha...you've got some agenda there! How does she not belong in commenting on top-level football? 140 England caps and over 200 club games as a professional. Sounds pretty top-level to me.

Literally the complete opposite of having an agenda, as she is completely bang average. She doesn't offer any insight into football which fans don't already know - it's absolutely predictable what she's going to say every time she speaks.

So in that way, she's the same as 90% of current pundits, most of whom have no place commenting on top-level football. If you're not going to offer any kind of value then I don't think you belong in that sphere. She's just another Leon Osman.

floydiohead · Dec 6, 2020

Typical Spurs said:
Is it only Spurs fans who could moan and pick fault with sitting top of the table and getting 7 points from City, Chelsea, Arsenal? Jesus wept. Unbelievable.

I think it's outrageous. How dare they go out there and control games and give the other side as much of the ball as they want but stop them from doing anything with it.

How dare they score more goals that everyone bar Liverpool and Chelsea and have the best defence in the league, including not conceding a single goal in the last three games. And how dare they be top of the league in the process of doing so.

I just want us to play attractive football. We are not doing that at the moment and I'm sick of it. I want us to have all the possession but do nothing with it so I can say that we played well but were unlucky.

spuradik · Dec 6, 2020

Goals
Son: 10
AFC: 10

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DJS · Dec 6, 2020

Spurs 1961 said:
I can imagine a game where the ball is kicked into the centre circle and stays there for five minutes because neither side is allowed by their coaches to move out of their third of the pitch. Cant take such risks. Loved how Jose for the sec9nd match in a row f8nished with six defenders, two defensive midfield players and the luxury of two attacking players. He is getting more defensive as the days go on. Too scared, too stuck in his ways.

I think since the west Ham result it’s important he sticks defenders on to see out the result lol.

UbeAstard · Dec 6, 2020

Bobbins said:
Because despite being absolutely ubiquitous, she is no more insightful than any of the usual crop of pundits and really has no place commenting on top level football.

Alex Scott was asking a valid question to 2 people who have played in midfield, but of course someone can turn it around that she has no insight. But of course, they are all against us arent they?

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