King or Berbatov : Who is more important to Tottenham

joey55 · Jan 16, 2008

bubble07 said:
King without a doubt

You way you need to look at it is who is missed more when his not playing. When Kings outwe have kaboul/gardner when berbas out we have proven premiership quality in bent or defoe

But where would we have finished had Berbs not been playing last season or where would we be now if he wasn't paying this season? Berbs just hides the fact how poor our midifeld is since Carrick left. All the defensive problems this season have again hidden just how poor we are in this respect. Last season we didn't have King and suffered as a result. Anti Jol fans won't accept it, but results very strongly suggest we'd have finished in the top 4 had King been fit for all our games last season with. However, had we not had Berbatov, I think we'd have finished around 9th. He created and scored so many that we'd have not scored the previous season, or this seaon witht he likes of Bent, Mido, Kenae or Defoe. Had it not been for Berbs brilliance we'd have noticed just how much we miss Carrick, as he was not only our best deffensive midfielder, but made the most goals and started most of our moves. Bent, Defoe and Keane can't create in the way Berbs does. There is no clear choice between King and Berbs. Anyone who suggests there is being swayed by bias to one player and not football reallity.

Jody · Jan 16, 2008

king. as much for the confidence he gives to the rest of the team. (as opposed to arms being thrown in the air and stink eye being dished out every 5 mins)

don1 · Jan 16, 2008

both as important as each other i wont choose both class in different ways if we could get a few more in the same class god knows what we could do and win

Flatters · Jan 16, 2008

How the fuck has Berbatov got any votes, let alone so fucking many. Shame on the lot of you for voting for him. Ledley's by far our most important player, and the best player we've had at the club in my lifetime.

kishman · Jan 16, 2008

I'm with Flatters. King is the best player Spurs have had in my lifetime.

bubble07 · Jan 16, 2008

Cant believe I just said King without a doubt today forgeting that at the start of the thread I said definatly berbatov! stating how can someone who scores 20 and set up 20 not be our most influencial player!

At the end of the day they are equally as important and are our only genuine world class players

Legacy · Jan 16, 2008

We can score goals without Berbatov. We can't defend without King. Simple as.

nidge · Jan 16, 2008

It's simple really. One will be a club legend (if he isn't already) the other will most likely be leaving soon.

King is the only answer.

snake1 · Jan 16, 2008

Berbati said:
First, if King's agent had revealed his desire to leave for a bigger club and Berbatov was considered at the same time as completely committed to Spurs, 90% of fans would go for Berbatov as a far more important player.

Bollocks. King is Spurs' most important player, end of.

If you were actually a Spurs fan, you might realise this yourself, instead, you spend so much time up Berba's arse, its a wonder you get time to post on SC.

Perhaps you're posting directly from his arse, using your mini-laptop?:think:

don1 · Jan 16, 2008

u might be up his ass if he scores the winner tuesday night

robbiesavagehasbreasts · Jan 16, 2008

I would say Ledley King all the way, but since he is injured so often, he isn't as important.

So Berbatov. Also the fact, that I will be completely devastated if he ever leaves. There's not a player in the world I love watching more.

snake1 · Jan 16, 2008

Don't be silly, dude. I'd buy him a beer, tops.:wink:

Yes, King is injured a lot, but, hopefully, he's over these problems. I'd just like to add that I would be bitterly disappointed if Berba leaves.

General Levy · Jan 16, 2008

Definitely 100% King.

Berbati · Jan 16, 2008

snake1 said:
Bollocks. King is Spurs' most important player, end of.

If you were actually a Spurs fan, you might realise this yourself, instead, you spend so much time up Berba's arse, its a wonder you get time to post on SC.

Perhaps you're posting directly from his arse, using your mini-laptop?:think:

:rofl: I appreciate your sense of humor mate.

King is important when he is fit. Unfortunately, he isn't fit very often.

The attitude to King compansates the big dissapointment you felt when Campbell betrayed you and went to...:wink: I don't like to psychoanalyze Spurs fans but some things are pretty obvious even to laymen in psychology.

snake1 · Jan 16, 2008

Berbati said:
:rofl: I appreciate your sense of humor mate.

King is important when he is fit. Unfortunately, he isn't fit very often.

The attitude to King compansates the big dissapointment you felt when Campbell betrayed you and went to...:wink: I don't like to psychoanalyze Spurs fans but some things are pretty obvious even to laymen in psychology.

Again, this is bollocks, in my opinion. What, do you think all SC members are 12 year olds, or something? The reason why King is rated as our most important player is because without him, we are a complete joke in defence, not to mention the fact that King is one of the best CB's in the league (when he's fit). As I said before, Berbatov is important to us, but, we can score goals without him, and in case you haven't noticed, its stopping goals being conceded that's been our problem, not hitting the back of the net.

Berbati · Jan 16, 2008

snake1 said:
Again, this is bollocks, in my opinion. What, do you think all SC members are 12 year olds, or something? The reason why King is rated as our most important player is because without him, we are a complete joke in defence, not to mention the fact that King is one of the best CB's in the league (when he's fit). As I said before, Berbatov is important to us, but, we can score goals without him, and in case you haven't noticed, its stopping goals being conceded that's been our problem, not hitting the back of the net.

Here lies the problem you refuse to recognize. Even Maradona wouldn't be more important than Berbatov if he plays only in 1/5 of all games during the season. If a player who is crocked 2/3 of the season is more important than a player who plays in allmost all games, then the latter is very average, to put it very mildly. The question is not about fit King and Berbatov but about King and Berbatov. And that's a bit different.

Now say that's bollocks again and go to bed. :whistle:

snake1 · Jan 16, 2008

Berbati said:
Here lies the problem you refuse to recognize. Even Maradona wouldn't be more important than Berbatov if he plays only in 1/5 of all games during the season. If a player who is crocked 2/3 of the season is more important than a player who plays in allmost all games, then the latter is very average, to put it very mildly. The question is not about fit King and Berbatov but about King and Berbatov. And that's a bit different.

But he IS fit, whats wrong with you? OK, he didn't play yesterday, but, there's no doubt he's being saved for Sunderland and Arsenal, though.

Now say that's bollocks again and go to bed.

I think you need to grow up.:roll:

TopSpurMan · Jan 16, 2008

Berbati said:
Here lies the problem you refuse to recognize. Even Maradona wouldn't be more important than Berbatov if he plays only in 1/5 of all games during the season. If a player who is crocked 2/3 of the season is more important than a player who plays in allmost all games, then the latter is very average, to put it very mildly. The question is not about fit King and Berbatov but about King and Berbatov. And that's a bit different.

Now say that's bollocks again and go to bed.

I think that's bollocks! I think the point you miss and the point that Berbatov is always quick to point out is that football is a team game. He is one member of a team and very important to the team. However he is not irreplaceable, we were here as a club before Berba and in overall in the season that he joined us did not do any better than the season before he was with us (both 5th place). My objection to 'fans' like you is that as you said you started to follow Spurs after Berba joined and so as such are more likely to be a Berba fan than a spurs fan whilst I believe that no individual player, King or Berba is bigger than the club itself.

The only reason that Berba will leave at the end of the season is that we are a business first and a football club second. This business can cash in to the run of a 22m profit and as a business they will cash in.

When and if that does happen I'll miss watching Berba play for us but i will not go out of my way to watch his new team and I will not morph into a Manure or Chelski fan.

So the answer to who is more important cannot be made, the answer to who is more important when then are playing is clearly King, who is more important to keep kit, again king, who is more important to replace with an understudy, then King.

MattWilliams · Jan 16, 2008

I really wish we had been lucky enough to have a fully fit King since he made his debut. I also wish Sol Campbell had stayed, so that we would have had the best central defence in the past ten years. I also wish that Stevie Carr had never got injured and become crap. Then add Carrick and Berbatov to that, we'd have a pretty awesome team even now-a-days. Why do we never get the whole shebang at once...?

Erm, to the question. I would say King if he stays fit. But that's not underestimating Berbatov. It's just as a team we are stronger going forwards, so it would be great to have someone we can actually rely on at the back...

AllSeeingEye · Jan 17, 2008

At the moment it's Berb, but only since King hasn't had many games.

If King played as regularly as Dimi it would be more difficult to decide.

Without Dimi we are toothless, see games against Reading as my points of reference.

With King we may stem the concession of goals a bit more, but ultimately it's goals which win you games.

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