What's new

AVB Stay or go *now with added poll for your pleasure*

Should Levy bite the bullet or give more time?


  • Total voters
    141
Status
Not open for further replies.

nailsy

SC Supporter
Jul 24, 2005
30,534
46,625
I don't think it's time to sack AVB but it is time for him to realise that the plan isn't working. We need to find a way to get Soldado more involved in the game.
 

dricha1

Well-Known Member
Jul 26, 2005
1,311
2,579
well apparently he said he is considerig 4-4-2 with Ade in the side, so he's going to roll the dice a little.


I said this in the match thread,
4-4-2 is not the way to go. I don't understand why AVB won't go 4-3-3 it's what he knows and built his reputation on. We have the squad to play it;

Lloris

Walker
Kaboul
Verts
Rose

Sandro or Capoue
Dembele or Paulinho
Holtby or Eriksen

Lamela
Soldado or Ade
Townsend or Chadli or Lennon

AVB has to quickly decide which 2 players are to play in which position and stuck to it. No square pegs in round holes and rotation based on fitness and form.
 

felmani26

SC Supporter
Jan 1, 2008
24,350
42,993
No way. Not ever. Was this season going to be transitional. This is the stuff that is holding us back.
You can't have the level of player turnover like we have in every department of the pitch bar goalkeeper and not expect an indeterminate period of transition - be it bedding the new players into a system or tinkering with the previous years formation to suit.

The summer arrivals have all clearly failed to adjust quickly to the setup and more worrying is a coach who now it would appear not even know what system is best, let alone what his best 11 is.

It's not your typical 'Jacques Santini/Frank Arnesen' transitional period with a new man at the helm but it is one nevertheless.
 

AMOEBA

New Member
Nov 24, 2013
1
0
This debacle is mainly down to Levy not adding any decent players to the squad in January 2012 and January 2013 when we were doing well.

Also I suspect that AVB was promised by Levy that Bale would not be sold,his subsequent sale bringing the panic reaction of 7 signings in the last transfer window.
 

double0

Well-Known Member
Aug 29, 2006
14,423
12,258
442 is too open, we tried that in the second half against City and let in 3 more goals. If we're looking to get two strikers on the pitch I much prefer 352..

I am surprised AVB hasn't been more flexible with his tactics, certainly against some teams we should forget the high line especially with Dawson in the team.

Football is a funny game as we all know time isn't normally given to our managers...rotation works when the team winning now I believe AVB needs to select a team and stick by it for at least 6 straight games.
 

Huddlebone

Well-Known Member
Aug 10, 2012
1,393
2,306
If u look at the interwiev after the game, He dont look like a winner in my eyes. looked cruched and out of any spark in the eyes. Sir Alex had that spark during the hole time in ManU AVB lost it after the first week. I saw that spark when he was a Porto and the first time at Chelsea, when he really wanted to win. But that hunger dont feel that real anymore.

I think that AVB has a good tactical mind when it comes to fotball. But the most important thing as a manager is to take out the best of the players.

Like Zlatan have said about "Mourinho, " He made me feel like a beast on the pitch, I could go out and kill someone for Mourinho. Dont feel like the players is Spurs feel the same way about AVB. He dont have that leadership

You can know every little detail about the other team, But the thing that really matthers is what can u do about it. We have played exactly the same en every sec of this season. A good side can change the style during the game.

My final words. AVB would have been a good scout, can find good players. But dont know how to take the best out of them.
 

mattyspurs

It is what it is
Jan 31, 2005
15,280
9,893
I just don't understand some/alot of his decisions.

I mean, I'm not one of these who have jumped on the Lamela bandwagon from day one and want to have his children or anything, but he must be so fucking confused and deflated right now. He has his best game in Europe nearly 3 weeks ago, doesn;t get the start he maybe should have done at home against easier opposition. Yet gets thrown in to todays much much tougher game away from home.

Baffling
 

dricha1

Well-Known Member
Jul 26, 2005
1,311
2,579
This debacle is mainly down to Levy not adding any decent players to the squad in January 2012 and January 2013 when we were doing well.

Also I suspect that AVB was promised by Levy that Bale would not be sold,his subsequent sale bringing the panic reaction of 7 signings in the last transfer window.

I don't think the 7 signings were panic buys but then I agree the current situation is not 100% AVB's fault and Levy could have possibly done better in the last 2 winter transfer windows. Also have we signed any of AVB's top targets?..moutinho, Willian, Contrao(sp) Hulk? In fact moutinho is the only one we are really desperately in need of.
 

NEVILLEB

Well-Known Member
Nov 6, 2006
6,729
6,329
Levy should have seriously backed Harry when we qualified for the Champs League. Modric, VDV, Bale...we should have built a team around them.

Sad.
 

fortworthspur

Well-Known Member
Nov 12, 2007
11,240
17,535
I said this in the match thread,
4-4-2 is not the way to go. I don't understand why AVB won't go 4-3-3 it's what he knows and built his reputation on. We have the squad to play it;

Lloris

Walker
Kaboul
Verts
Rose

Sandro or Capoue
Dembele or Paulinho
Holtby or Eriksen

Lamela
Soldado or Ade
Townsend or Chadli or Lennon

AVB has to quickly decide which 2 players are to play in which position and stuck to it. No square pegs in round holes and rotation based on fitness and form.


4-4-2, 4-3-3, 1-1-8, something different. we havent scored a goal in the prem from open play since September - a streak which will extend at least into December. Unbelievable.
 

NEVILLEB

Well-Known Member
Nov 6, 2006
6,729
6,329
Apart from Bale, we've offered nothing in attack for 1 & 1/2 seasons under AVB.

The flaws he showed at Chelsea are still there.
 

rez9000

Any point?
Feb 8, 2007
11,942
21,098
this is a wind up yeah??

Oh wait a minute we were the only side in the EPL to have players on international duty! we were the only side to have 2 weeks off from playing any EPL games! oh yeah the goal in the first 30 seconds, that was a killer we should of just walked off the pitch and given up!! oh wait, we more or less did!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Why don't you go and read the actual posts leading up to this, xtrac. I'm contending the assertion that AVB has lost the dressing room. Perhaps a little more time spent reading what was written than simply jumping in with a response?
 

mrlilywhite

Well-Known Member
Sep 1, 2008
3,174
4,992
Because now something has to change. We cant hide from a 6-0 stuffing. There is no ' we deserved to win'/ 'if only krul blah blah''just need to click' excuses that can cover this.

It brings things to a head. And rather than tread water waiting for things to magically fall into place, the whole 'gelling' excuse, we not can demand shit happens.

And I genuinely thought that there has been a shift in AVBs thought patterns this week and he has shown some flexibility in his thinking... it was just probably entirely the wrong game and fucking entirely the wrong start to the game and entirely 6 months later than it should have been.

He is not an idiot, but he is a stubborn self confident fucker. Its hard to be arrogant or insist everything is going to plan when you are being humiliated, shakes up your belief system.

eyes wide open.
Because now something has to change. We cant hide from a 6-0 stuffing. There is no ' we deserved to win'/ 'if only krul blah blah''just need to click' excuses that can cover this.

It brings things to a head. And rather than tread water waiting for things to magically fall into place, the whole 'gelling' excuse, we not can demand shit happens.

And I genuinely thought that there has been a shift in AVBs thought patterns this week and he has shown some flexibility in his thinking... it was just probably entirely the wrong game and fucking entirely the wrong start to the game and entirely 6 months later than it should have been.

He is not an idiot, but he is a stubborn self confident fucker. Its hard to be arrogant or insist everything is going to plan when you are being humiliated, shakes up your belief system.

eyes wide open.

Good response and I did not really think of it like that, Though you would of thought being beaten by West ham should of been his wake up call? Either way, Like you say nothing like a 6-0 thrashing to re-focus your understanding, Though how does he pick the players up after this and get them to focus on the Man utd game?
 

felmani26

SC Supporter
Jan 1, 2008
24,350
42,993
He did cut a really lonely and beaten man at full time I have to say.

As I said before, the Utd game will tell us an awful lot about him and our players in whether they've got the fight or not.
 

Mediocrates

Well-Known Member
Mar 2, 2013
291
1,009
Listen this is turning into a H v AVB


at times it wasnt, but did he have the backing too bring in a quality striker, defender, midfielder to bolster the spine of the team?? fact is he wasnt, something i feel the likes of Modders Berba VDV was equally frustrated with.

This is bullshit. He did have the chance to do that, he decided instead to buy Crouch, Parker and William Gallas. We could have had Suarez but he said he was too like Rafa, we could have had Negredo (yes, that guy who just destroyed us) or Huntelaar that summer but he decided on Crouch. Don't sit there and say he didn't get given anu funds, he spunked away a decent chunk on players at Spurs for very little return. Which of 'Arry's signings gained in value at Spurs? Or were progressive signings in any way? Defoe and Keane I don't even need to mention, but Palacios, Bassong, Kranjcar, Parker, Crouch, Pienaar. None of them improved us in anything more than a short term sort of way, and none of them retained value. The only one that bucks the trend is Van der Vaart, and that was a Levy signing if ever I saw one.

He also showed an unbelievable lack of respect for the club by creating an open dialogue with the media in the midst of our potential tilt at the title, on how lovely it would be to be England manager. We lost our focus and imploded, which I struggle to believe wasn't linked to his actions during that final quarter of the season, his pillow kissing session with Jim White. Oh, and he then said on live fucking television that he hadn't been offered a new deal by Levy and was waiting to hear from him. Unprofessional doesn't come close to summing it up The man has his strengths certainly, players play for him and he encourages expression on the football pitch. These are all good things. But he is woefully ill-equipped to manage a top side, and it is rubbish to suggest he wasn't given the opportunity to change that suspicion at Spurs. He blew it.
 

trevo

(ex?)EU Member
Oct 23, 2007
3,025
3,439
I've got very little faith left in AVB, but I still think we should just see this season out to the bitter end. New players, a technical director that our coach wanted to work with, and plenty of games left for things to possibly improve (not that I think they will).

However, I think his number is up. The players just don't look like they have any confidence in AVB at all, and once that happens it's just a matter of time before they're shown the door.
Exactly what happened to him at Chavski.
 

mpickard2087

Patient Zero
Jun 13, 2008
21,884
32,496
I just don't understand some/alot of his decisions.

I mean, I'm not one of these who have jumped on the Lamela bandwagon from day one and want to have his children or anything, but he must be so fucking confused and deflated right now. He has his best game in Europe nearly 3 weeks ago, doesn;t get the start he maybe should have done at home against easier opposition. Yet gets thrown in to todays much much tougher game away from home.

Baffling

Agree, same scenario with Kaboul.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Top