A glimpse into our future? scary

[brett.spurs]

Haha, what is this? Am I being punk'd

 

[Spurs_Bear]

OmarsComing this isn't twitter.

@ just fucking press the quote button.

Bale > Milner. Sorry if that offends you.

 

[OmarsComing]

OmarsComing this isn't twitter.

@ just fucking press the quote button.

Bale > Milner. Sorry if that offends you.

meh i think its close mainly because Milner was amazing the season before last.

 

[brett.spurs]

You're having a laugh, James.

 

[Spurs_Bear]

meh i think its close mainly because Milner was amazing the season before last.

He was good at Villa before going to City but he has never had the whole of Europe talking about him or teams shitting themselves because of him.

Bale had a disappointing end to the season even before he got injured but he has the potential to be amazing. I see Milner as a decent, stereotypical English trier but never going to be top drawer.

 

[smithym]

You're having a laugh, James.

you talking to me?

 

[StartingPrice]

That was funny :lol:

But BC is 100% spot on. Look at it like this, Modric is having a hard enough time getting away, if the others even wanted to leave they would be met with the same 'fuck off' as Luka has been.

It couldn't be further from the Villa situation, hypothetical or not mate.

No, he really isn't.
That is the whole point.
If Levy caves over Modric, he will lose all credibility and Bale, VDV and Palacios (apparently) will just pull exactly the same stunt that Modric has.
That is why it would be a disaster if Levy capitulates over Modric...even for £50 M.
You do realise that is what this thread is about, don't you:shrug: Namely, if we allow Modric to leave this Summer Levy will lose all credibility, and, just like Villa went down the pan once they sold Barry, we will be in massive danger of giong the same way.
That is why Levy is playing really tough over Modric, that is why he MUST win, and that is why every supporter of THFC should be supporting him 100% instead of concocting teams based on Modric being sold, and talking about an acceptable price and what players to get. There is no acceptable price...he simply must not be sold this Summer. It is symbolic.

 

[OmarsComing]

He was good at Villa before going to City but he has never had the whole of Europe talking about him or teams shitting themselves because of him.

Bale had a disappointing end to the season even before he got injured but he has the potential to be amazing. I see Milner as a decent, stereotypical English trier but never going to be top drawer.

Well Milner hasnt played in the champs league so it would be pretty hard for everyone in europe to be talking about him.

during the 09/10 season Milner scored 7 goals and created 12 assists.

 

[Mr Pink]

I don't think there is the remotest possibility that we would sell Modric, Palacios, Bale and VDV in the space of two windows. If we did, without replacing them adequately - which would be hard in a short space of time, we would of course struggle.

But I don't think we are about to do that, so I stand by what I said. If we sell Modric, get a good fee, re-invest well (as we have usually done) then I don't think it should be fatal.

And I don't buy all this Levy's reputation will be ruined bollocks either. I wish he hadn't publicly said what he said, because he put himself under enormous pressure, and he won't look great if/when he sells, but the footballing world knows that if ManU and Arsenal can be held to ransom then so can we. Modric is gone sooner or later, and anyone with a brain knows this, Levy might delay it for a window or two, but ultimately we are nowhere near big and strong enough to prevent players doing to us what they have done to bigger and better clubs. And to expect us to is unrealistic. Far better to accept the realities of football and have a system in place that allows for them.

Continuing to sign young, promising talent is part of that system and I'm pleased to see us try and make a couple of these type of signings this window.

Until we have a 60k stadium and the revenues to match, this is the best policy.

I agree with every word of this - enough said really.

 

[StartingPrice]

I agree with every word of this - enough said really.

I would agree with it...if we were just talking about selling a player.

But we aren't.

We are talking about our chairman losing all credibility and quite probably finding his position untenable. We are talking about a deeply symbolic act that would define us in the negative for years to come.

Until you understand this you really do not have any idea as to why Levy has taken the stance he has, and why he simply has to win. No amont of explanations and permutations and calculations will have any import, as it is not just about selling a player.

 

[Samson]

Doesn't it also depend whether the money is reinvested? If we did sell Luka for circa 40 million, we could afford to spend a lot. If Bale went for 40 more, the same would apply. We'd go backwards, but we'd come back stronger.

 

[mill]

Doesn't it also depend whether the money is reinvested? If we did sell Luka for circa 40 million, we could afford to spend a lot. If Bale went for 40 more, the same would apply. We'd go backwards, but we'd come back stronger.

Not really, £40m might buy us 2 players but we wouldn't be able to buy 2 cos the squads too big already lol

 

[Mr Pink]

I would agree with it...if we were just talking about selling a player.

But we aren't.

We are talking about our chairman losing all credibility and quite probably finding his position untenable. We are talking about a deeply symbolic act that would define us in the negative for years to come.

Until you understand this you really do not have any idea as to why Levy has taken the stance he has, and why he simply has to win. No amont of explanations and permutations and calculations will have any import, as it is not just about selling a player.

I do understand it SP, and thats a little patronising to be honest, if indeed you've read any of my posts over the last two weeks or so...:wink:

The situation will keep rearing its ugly head over and over again until we sort a new stadium and can truly compete.

I want Levy to stick to his guns this summer, of course I do. The point is though that Modric will go sooner or later, that much is very likely and this will continue to happen, with the likes of Bale etc or whoever, until we can match the rewards and ambitions of the bigger Clubs in this League.

I dont know how many times I've stated in recent weeks that the wider implications of selling Modric were far greater than the loss of the individual player himself - countless times. However that doesn't render what I'm describing above as irrelevant.

Yes Levy will most likely stick to his guns this summer, and thats great - but its a temporary resistance. Do you think we'll be able to do this every time in the next 5 years, or however long, every time one of our bigger players get their head turned?

Doing it once will make a statement, fine great...what do we do in January or next summer?

I'm not suggesting that Levy cave in and adpot a defeatist attitude, I commend him. What I am saying is that fans have to be realistic, and until we have the resources to compete we do have a place in the food chain so to speak.

If we can capitalise on this by bringing in quality in this window and secure fourth next season then great. If not we'll have more of the same problems, hell we might even have the same problems if we do qualify.

When you get close to building a great side you become a victim of your own success, the bigger Clubs come looking to strengthen and just as importantly to weaken. Its a cycle that will just keep repeating itself until we can offer what they can offer and the gap ultimately remains.

 

[Dare!]

i was actually on talk sport this week saying this exact same thing

What are you? A fucking idiot? :wink:

 

[Caco]

You have to understand Villa are a joke club at the moment even though they have history. They have a ridiculous owner who clearly has no love for the club and they employed Gerard fucking Houllier as the manager for god sake!

Not one of the Villa players has publicly come out and stated they want to leave, neither have the hierachy said 'get fucked' to anyone who expressed an interest. All they've done is ask for an asking price to be met, and the clubs have met them.

They are showing no ambition, or willingness to keep hold of their players. It's a 1,000,000 % different scenario.

That's a pretty harsh statement to make. Only two years ago under O'Neill they were seen as ahead of us by many on here and the media. Behind the scene circumstances has them in their current situation. McLeish won't take them very far forward, but he will steady the ship. They're the biggest team in Birmingham, which is a huge area population wise, so they should be doing better. I do agree though that their situation is in no way similar to ours.

 

[Viva la Tottenham]

i was actually on talk sport this week saying this exact same thing

idiot


damn it dare beat me by 2 minutes lol

 

[Caco]

meh i think its close mainly because Milner was amazing the season before last.

Milner was never amazing. Just to put things into perspective. Messi is amazing! Milner is an over rated mercenary.

 

[Mr Pink]

Milner was never amazing. Just to put things into perspective. Messi is amazing! Milner is an over rated mercenary.

Milner was good that season for Villa before he jumped ship - there is no doubt about it.

 

[Caco]

Milner was good that season for Villa before he jumped ship - there is no doubt about it.

Yeah but there is a big difference between good and amazing.

 

[Mr Pink]

Yeah but there is a big difference between good and amazing.

Yeah I think 'amazing' is a tad OTT!...but some calling him shite are way off the mark. City was a bad move for him, but dead on for his bank balance.

Pretty sure had he stayed at Villa he would still be doing well today, if not better.