Ansu Fati

[DiVaio]

Welcome to Levy Ange. Better get used to it

Or you know, Ange also wanted Fati for more than one season.

 

[jimmy-jojo]

No we want to sell those players. If we can’t sell them, then loan with an obligation. If the buyers don’t want that, then a loan without any option or obligation is better than paying their wages whilst they stink up the place.

Fucking obviously.

Rinse and repeat until their contract expires? Fucking obviously genius.

 

[Real_madyidd]

Even though Kane was supposedly going to stay 24hrs before the deal was done?

now, I’m sure that was conjecture but what if he hadn’t left? What if he signed the deal last January or whenever? We signed Richarlison well before that so I’m not sure that can be used as a cogent theory

We (correctly) planned for Kane leaving. The transfer fee has little to do with it as it was a variable in our planning. If he had stayed then that would have been a nice problem to have.

Richarlison was signed as part of our planning, whether you like it or not. Kane had got himself into a very strong negotiating position and we had to mitigate our risk- signing Brazil's no 9 seems a pretty good way of doing that.

 

[For the love of Spurs]

I don't so much have a problem not getting him if we didn't think the deal was right, it's more so the fucking about when we're fairly desperate for major ins/outs.

For context:

• We've been pursuing Fati for ages (backed up by ITK), since at least April (and yes, we didn't have a manager then...)
• At some stage yesterday the deal was "agreed" and flights/medicals were being arranged
• Levy then jumped in and pulled the plug as he wasn't happy with the terms of the deal
• If it got that far, you'd assume Ange was happy with it and you'd also presume that we cooled our interest on other targets
• We've had since at least April to ask whether they'd include an option or not, that wasn't a surprise
• It all stinks of Levy playing games and looking for a deal
• There's two days left and once again, Levy will be caught *snigger* short

If we get Johnson and a CB and this was just a "punt" that didn't work then fair enough. If this was our main attempt to give Ange the attacking players he needs for this season then we've fucked up yet again.

If that is true it begs the question why does Levy intentional or not seem to be fine with screwing his manager over.

It’s your manager Mr Levy! That would be like me hiring a builder and throwing some of his tools away. Why create a situation that undermines your own manager and make its harder for him to achieve his objectives.

 

[Haddock]

I'd like to hear more...aside from the stadium. A highly desirable asset and project that he successfully masterminded and promised significant investment on the field.....to which we've yet to see him strengthen in a transfer window.......I'm all for it, what things has he actually done right, in your opinion?

This isn’t a discussion about Levy’s whole tenure. My point was that not signing Fati on a loan without obligation / option to buy isn’t in our interest. That’s a good call by Levy.

People need to be able to hold two thoughts at the same time. Levy can earn praise while still being held accountable for his other failures.

 

[mr ashley]

Completely made up scenarios are very tiresome.

Sadly this isn’t entirely made up though is it?

Reason for not signing Fati?
Reason for not signing Tapsoba?

Now of course I facetiously made up the conversation but tell me why neither transfer took place?

 

[For the love of Spurs]

This isn’t a discussion about Levy’s whole tenure. My point was that not signing Fati on a loan without obligation / option to buy isn’t in our interest. That’s a good call by Levy.

People need to be able to hold two thoughts at the same time. Levy can earn praise while still being held accountable for his other failures.

The deal may not have worked by why did it take since April to work out that Barca wouldn’t have a loan to buy or buy option. That should have been made clear quickly. I am not even that down about this deal falling through but it’s comedic in how it went.

 

[mr ashley]

If that is true it begs the question why does Levy intentional or not seem to be fine with screwing his manager over.

It’s your manager Mr Levy! That would be like me hiring a builder and throwing some of his tools away. Why create a situation that undermines your own manager and make its harder for him to achieve his objectives.

Because he is so fixated with winning the deal it doesn’t matter if that leaves the squad short

 

[philll]

That's the thing with Levy though, isn't it? I expect it was made extremely clear to him what the terms would be early doors and he went through the whole thing thinking he could get them to concede at the last moment.

 

[ReadieSpur]

Sadly this isn’t entirely made up though is it?

Reason for not signing Fati?
Reason for not signing Tapsoba?

Now of course I facetiously made up the conversation but tell me why neither transfer took place?

You don't know the reasons either, so it's pointless making up little scenarios in your head to make you and the other kids angry.

 

[For the love of Spurs]

Because he is so fixated with winning the deal it doesn’t matter if that leaves the squad short

Thats such a backward 1980’s Trump
mentality.

 

[olliec]

So no Fati it seems.

I heard there was a grand plan for when Kane leaves. Can someone explain what it is?

 

[Thenewcat]

This is the point I've been trying to make in other threads.

I do not like Daniel Levy. I do not like ENIC. I want them both to fuck off.

However, so many people on this site apply no logic to criticisms of Levy and constantly rewrite history, which make said criticisms seem nonsensical and undermines the whole ENIC Out stuff.

We know Fati isn't Ange's first choice. Very few people on here actually wanted him. Even fewer on a straight loan.

Yet look at the number of people shaking their fists at Levy? It literally makes no sense?

100% agree that we should be doing better this window to replace Kane, as I've said a number of times. Also baffled at the lack of a 2nd CB signing.

But if people put in loads of work into this transfer and Levy said no at the end because there was no buy option, then good. One of his better transfer decisions.

In isolation yes. In context of it being 24 hours to go in the window it’s another almighty fuck up. We’ve sold one unwanted player all summer, and we’ve ended up in a situation where if we get a CB and a WF in (which we’ve needed all summer) everyone will be grateful even though that means we sold our best player and didn’t replace him

 

[Kirito]

I wonder if the mods can pull some stats on how angry the forum gets. This week seems worse than usual because of the loss to Fulham and now Fati (who nobody cared about until yesterday) going on loan to Brighton.

If we lose to Burnley on Saturday I think I’ll stay away for a couple of weeks, it will be pure chaos.

 

[George94]

So no Fati it seems.

I heard there was a grand plan for when Kane leaves. Can someone explain what it is?

Maybe the real grand plan was the friends we made along the way...

 

[srups34]

I think there will be another twist in this one. Not over until the fat lady sings.

 

[olliec]

Maybe the real grand plan was the friends we made along the way...

Or enemies

 

[Ghost Hardware]

As I've said countless times Jorge Mendes is a snake and there's no point trying to do deals where he is heavily involved. I'm not saying it's his fault this time around, as I don't know but it's yet another deal where he has been front and centre of negotiation that has gone tits up.

Surely with this it’s more us then anything. Brighton aren’t a bigger club, or maybe they are and I’m just in denial, so it’s not like Diaz going to Pool over us. Who knows what really happened but this seemed more like us having second thoughts over the terms and then Mendes quickly trying to find a second option because Barca needed him gone asap to get Felix.

Ether way it’s a bit of a mess. Seems we spent quite a bit of time trying to get this tied up. I just hope this wasn’t a case of Levy up to his old tricks of last minute trying to get s better deal.

I have no idea why would have got to the stage of booking a medical if we didn’t like the terms.

 

[coy-spurs1882]

So no Fati it seems.

I heard there was a grand plan for when Kane leaves. Can someone explain what it is?

place the 100m to the bank as time deposit or a few artworks for Joe Lewis

 

[L-man]

I don't so much have a problem not getting him if we didn't think the deal was right, it's more so the fucking about when we're fairly desperate for major ins/outs.

For context:

• We've been pursuing Fati for ages (backed up by ITK), since at least April (and yes, we didn't have a manager then...)
• At some stage yesterday the deal was "agreed" and flights/medicals were being arranged
• Levy then jumped in and pulled the plug as he wasn't happy with the terms of the deal
• If it got that far, you'd assume Ange was happy with it and you'd also presume that we cooled our interest on other targets
• We've had since at least April to ask whether they'd include an option or not, that wasn't a surprise
• It all stinks of Levy playing games and looking for a deal
• There's two days left and once again, Levy will be caught *snigger* short

If we get Johnson and a CB and this was just a "punt" that didn't work then fair enough. If this was our main attempt to give Ange the attacking players he needs for this season then we've fucked up yet again.

Surely all of this just makes it more likely it was an opportunistic signing?

If we’ve tracked him since April and only made a move 72 hours before it just seems like we haven’t gone for him because Barca were insistent on a straight loan. We’ve then thought it’s best to leave late as we may get him on favourable terms including some sort of buy clause.
No one has come in all summer so we’ve made a move which Barca agreed too. Brighton see our deal and are happy to beat it with a straight loan and we’ve stuck to our guns as we don’t want a straight loan
It seems like we still wants Barca so is likely to want to go straight back anyway