Any Way back for Robbie?

[Yid-ol]

the point was made that Keane can play "up top"

Up top refers to being you target player, there is a responsibility to hold the ball up, challenge for it, run in behind people, challenge for high balls etc. All things that Keane is weak at.

If you want berbatov to play up top and Keane to play alongside him on the shoulder of the lsat defender that is different, however Keanes game is still not suited to this as he lacks the most vital ingredient for this role which is pace.

Keane is a drop off and space player who uses his cleverness to find the right areas to play in.

being up top doesnt mean a target man, your only a target man if the team is thumping long balls up, which is something we didnt do today and something i cant see Ramos wanting us to do

with the ball onthe floor and being passed into feet, the striker playing up top will just strech out a team giving our own players more free room and letting the players move around able to find free space!

and you dont have to have pace to be able to player here, if the player is smart and knows how to time runs and/or knows where balls will be going then it is easy enough to still get to the ball first by antisipating where to run before the ball has been hit

 

[tartanspur100]

pure co-incidence i reckon.

 

[SpurSince57]

Comedy gold.

 

[nicdic]

:bigsmile:

 

[KeaneIsKeane]

Keane is best played when we have Bale at LM. I think he's still first choice everytime, but if you watch the Fulham game when Keane would drop back Bale would always be attacking up the left flank and pressuring the defense and Keane often found him, including an assist for his goal I believe. I know this is just one game, but if we have midfielders who will make pushes up the pitch with Berbs and Keane dropping back that would be huge because they're both good passers of the ball.

 

[Legend10]

being up top doesnt mean a target man, your only a target man if the team is thumping long balls up, which is something we didnt do today and something i cant see Ramos wanting us to do

with the ball onthe floor and being passed into feet, the striker playing up top will just strech out a team giving our own players more free room and letting the players move around able to find free space!

and you dont have to have pace to be able to player here, if the player is smart and knows how to time runs and/or knows where balls will be going then it is easy enough to still get to the ball first by antisipating where to run before the ball has been hit

You don't watch Spurs very much if you think that we don't play our share of back to front football.

Up top is just a term used for the player you use furthest forward, there's a clue in the word top. If you think that Keane excels in that role then fine.

I'm off to sit in a very dark room.

 

[MrsKeane]

Robbie where he will be most dangerous, right on the shoulder of the last man.

In bed :hump: :grin:

 

[Yid-ol]

You don't watch Spurs very much if you think that we don't play our share of back to front football.

Up top is just a term used for the player you use furthest forward, there's a clue in the word top. If you think that Keane excels in that role then fine.

I'm off to sit in a very dark room.

i do watch tottenham a fair bit

:clap: well done, you know what a player playing up top means, just you fail to understand that a player up top can play afew diffrent type of roles

 

[MrsKeane]

I'm just wondering if we have a player in "the hole" as we seem to have defenders often up there for some reason

 

[Bobbins]

Defoe plays 'up top'. He's very small and doesn't play as a target man.

Keane played 'up top' against Fulham last season away in the cup, Mido flicked the ball on twice, Keane (from his position on the shoulder of the last man) smacked in two perfect over-the-shoulder volleys.

Playing 'up top' does by no means mean you have to be a target man.

Keane simply needs to be told to stop fucking around at left back and he will do fine.

 

[Legend10]

i do watch tottenham a fair bit

:clap: well done, you know what a player playing up top means, just you fail to understand that a player up top can play afew diffrent type of roles

I don't know why I come out of my dark room but I'm going straight back there.

 

[Yid-ol]

I don't know why I come out of my dark room but I'm going straight back there.

best to go back in and lock the door, wait afew days and then think about coming back out into the light

Defoe plays 'up top'. He's very small and doesn't play as a target man.

Keane played 'up top' against Fulham last season away in the cup, Mido flicked the ball on twice, Keane (from his position on the shoulder of the last man) smacked in two perfect over-the-shoulder volleys.

Playing 'up top' does by no means mean you have to be a target man.

Keane simply needs to be told to stop fucking around at left back and he will do fine.

:clap: well said bobbins and repped for that

 

[Legend10]

Defoe plays 'up top'. He's very small and doesn't play as a target man.

Keane played 'up top' against Fulham last season away in the cup, Mido flicked the ball on twice, Keane (from his position on the shoulder of the last man) smacked in two perfect over-the-shoulder volleys.

Playing 'up top' does by no means mean you have to be a target man.

Keane simply needs to be told to stop fucking around at left back and he will do fine.

Defoe plays off of a target as did Keane at Fulham.

You have to be an exceptional team to play without a target and we aren't.

Why do you think that Defoe and Keane are very rarely and always have been very rarely paired together, and when they have why it doesn't work? It's simply because we aren't good enough to play without a target.

 

[Yid-ol]

Defoe plays off of a target as did Keane at Fulham.

You have to be an exceptional team to play without a target and we aren't.

Why do you think that Defoe and Keane are very rarely and always have been very rarely paired together, and when they have why it doesn't work? It's simply because we aren't good enough to play without a target.

doesnt have to be Keane and Defoe

in the game Bobbins talked about, Keane played up top with Mido ( a targetman) dropping off and flicking the ball off, the same could be said for berbatov, he drops off abit and is the target man with another player pshing up giving him the space as the defence is pushed back

 

[Legend10]

doesnt have to be Keane and Defoe

in the game Bobbins talked about, Keane played up top with Mido ( a targetman) dropping off and flicking the ball off, the same could be said for berbatov, he drops off abit and is the target man with another player pshing up giving him the space as the defence is pushed back

In the game that Bobbins is talikng about Mido flicked on two 60 yard punts! If that's what you call dropping off.

Why are we having this conversation, it really doesn't matter, you think that Keane is better on the shoulder and I think he is better operating deeper.

End of.

 

[Supersonic]

Ive always thought that Keane is better dropping off. But him and Berbs together is still an excellent partnership. People see too much deep theory in football. Ive always thought that in reality it is down to whic team taken their chances and which doesnt. Keane can do both roles, but his creative ability gives him the edge in dropping off and creating play as well.

How many other striker in the PL can do this? its not somthing we should let go to waste

 

[Yid-ol]

In the game that Bobbins is talikng about Mido flicked on two 60 yard punts! If that's what you call dropping off.

Why are we having this conversation, it really doesn't matter, you think that Keane is better on the shoulder and I think he is better operating deeper.

End of.

its what most sane people call dropping off... ie the player moves away from the defenders pulling back towrads there own goals, so dropping off :duh:

:rofl: end off always makes me laugh

 

[themanwhofellasleep]

The fact that we've won the last two games has nothing to do with Keane's absence. In the two games so far that we've played without him, we've struggled to score goals. A Chimbonda handball, a late strike from Defoe and a late strike from Berbatov from a deflected Lennon cross. Bent has looked lost up front. The fact that we've won the last two games has everything to do with Ramos organising the midfield and defence and nowt whatsoever to do with Keane's absence.

Ideally, Keane will return to the team against Arsenal and not only will we be leaking fewer goals, but we'll be putting away some of the chances that come our way.

 

[nicdic]

But could the reason the midfield has looked better possibly be that they didn't have two strikers dropping deep all the time?

I think it probably has some bearing on it.

 

[Dougal]

If I owned a house I would have put it on you starting this thread nic I was gonna start it myself last night when I got in but the site was down. Just for a laugh, because you are having one.