Anybody noticed?

[Flatters]

Just not true, my observations would be;

Olympiakos – Pav & Defoe – 45 mins, very little link up play, although a great goal by Pav which was set up by Modric/Lennon.

South China – Defoe & Pav – 37 mins, very little link up play.

West Ham – Pav & Defoe 45 mins, Pav replaced by Kean at half time, Keane & Defoe looked very good together.

Celtic – Pav & Defoe 45 mins – Woeful

Bournmouth – Pav & Defoe 45 mins – didn’t watch this so cannot comment.

It simply isn't true that they played well togethr pre-season. I do think they can be an excellent partnership, but come on, do you actually watch the games?

I worded that rather poorly to be honest. Just meant to say they looked dangerous together against Olympiakos. I just generally think Defoe's in better form than Keane at the moment as he looks much livelier and more dangerous than Keane has over the past few games.

it was a split second half chance the header was a far worse miss and who played him in again my man Modric

do you not see how well Luka and Keano have been linking up they're on the same wave length and will be edevastating together this season?

do you not think we looked far more dangerous with Keano on the field and after he went off we were on the back foot alot more?

when you take off Keano you lose ALOT of workrate upfront and opposing defenders have far more time on the ball to build from the back and set-up attacks that's why the scousers looked better after Keano got subbed.

I don't see it to be honest, and I seriously can't believe that it was because of Robbie Keane going off that allowed Liverpool to play better.

Defoe was better against Olympiakos, granted. In the West Ham game they're wasn't much between them, Defoe just gettingg the edge. Against Hull Keane was by far the better player. Didn't see the South China game so can't comment. Didn't see the England game but I guess Defoe was better cause he scored twice. Keane didn't play too badly for the Republic though. Against Liverpool Keane was the better player. I can't see how Defoe wins hands down.

And you want to play Pav and Defoe away from home? The same Pav who hasn't scored away from home in the Premiership and the same Defoe who is notoriously ineffective away. Good idea

I wanted Pav and Defoe to play together for the Liverpool game. I'd probably play Crouch and Defoe tomorrow night, but I don't look into the difference between playing home or away too much.

 

[SpurSince57]

But I've not said his overall contribution wasn't worthy of praise, it was a decent performance. All I've been saying is that people shouldn't be defending him miss the header. It was a miss, and should have been a goal. For some reason, me saying that seemed to make all of my posts read, "Keane is crap, he played rubbish, I love Defoe, Keane is the anti-Christ". Which they don't.

I agree with most people in this thread, he played well, but, he should have scored and I don't think there is an excuse for missing that header.

'Damn with faint praise, assent with civil leer
And, without sneering, teach the rest to sneer;
Willing to wound, and yet afraid to strike,
Just hint a fault, and hesitate dislike.'

He didn't 'miss' with the header, and there is a very good reason it didn't go into the right corner. You'll find it explained in one of Newton's Laws of Motion.

 

[Legend10]

'Damn with faint praise, assent with civil leer
And, without sneering, teach the rest to sneer;
Willing to wound, and yet afraid to strike,
Just hint a fault, and hesitate dislike.'

He didn't 'miss' with the header, and there is a very good reason it didn't go into the right corner. You'll find it explained in one of Newton's Laws of Motion.

But you quote other players as taking 1 in 8, or 1 in 5, or whatever the stats. So just so I can be clear on how the stats work Keane is 0 conversions from 3 in the first half and Defoe is 0 conversions from 1 (being the header from the corner).

 

[Flatters]

But you quote other players as taking 1 in 8, or 1 in 5, or whatever the stats. So just so I can be clear on how the stats work Keane is 0 conversions from 3 in the first half and Defoe is 0 conversions from 1 (being the header from the corner).

In that case we should stick Assou-Ekotto and Bassong up front together. 1 in 1 for each, I believe.

 

[DJS]

Defoe was better against Olympiakos, granted. In the West Ham game they're wasn't much between them, Defoe just gettingg the edge. Against Hull Keane was by far the better player. Didn't see the South China game so can't comment. Didn't see the England game but I guess Defoe was better cause he scored twice. Keane didn't play too badly for the Republic though. Against Liverpool Keane was the better player. I can't see how Defoe wins hands down.

And you want to play Pav and Defoe away from home? The same Pav who hasn't scored away from home in the Premiership and the same Defoe who is notoriously ineffective away. Good idea

:lol:

Now I know why Lanh has such confidence in ya. ;-)

In that case we should stick Assou-Ekotto and Bassong up front together. 1 in 1 for each, I believe.

Somebody actually beat you to that and picked them up front in the team against Hull thread! :lol:

 

[Legend10]

In that case we should stick Assou-Ekotto and Bassong up front together. 1 in 1 for each, I believe.

This is true though because if it is how the stats are calculated and Keane is 0 from 1 for his header and Defoe is an equal 0 from 1 for his header which was an incredibly difficult chance then the stats are worse than useless.

In fact Keane's effort from the header will be made to look better than Defoe's as Keane's hit the target!

Also does Hudd get an assist for BAE's goal? But Modric fails to get an assist for a world class piece of play to put a goal on a plate for Keane's miss?

It just shows the vast majority of these stats are meaningless, its all about what you see and interpret with your own eyes!

 

[DJS]

Keano > nicdic

 

[chrissivad]

Somebody actually beat you to that and picked them up front in the team against Hull thread! :lol:

and i beat them...

we should play our two top goalscorers up top

BAE and Bassong ....

 

[al_pacino]

This is true though because if it is how the stats are calculated and Keane is 0 from 1 for his header and Defoe is an equal 0 from 1 for his header which was an incredibly difficult chance then the stats are worse than useless.

In fact Keane's effort from the header will be made to look better than Defoe's as Keane's hit the target!

Also does Hudd get an assist for BAE's goal? But Modric fails to get an assist for a world class piece of play to put a goal on a plate for Keane's miss?

It just shows the vast majority of these stats are meaningless, its all about what you see and interpret with your own eyes!

The stats aren't meaningless but you do have to ignore them untill enough games have been played to give them a bit of value. Hard to argue with what you see with your own eyes though.

 

[Flatters]

This is true though because if it is how the stats are calculated and Keane is 0 from 1 for his header and Defoe is an equal 0 from 1 for his header which was an incredibly difficult chance then the stats are worse than useless.

In fact Keane's effort from the header will be made to look better than Defoe's as Keane's hit the target!

Also does Hudd get an assist for BAE's goal? But Modric fails to get an assist for a world class piece of play to put a goal on a plate for Keane's miss?

It just shows the vast majority of these stats are meaningless, its all about what you see and interpret with your own eyes!

I completely agree about stats, and I have a real problem with stats on assists, or rather the lack of, as you suggest about Modric's assist for Keane's header. Modric shouldn't be punished for Keane's miss. For that reason I would look at stats on assists as completely meaningless.

 

[Rocksuperstar]

I have to wonder, a lot of people on here presume to say what was a sitter, what should've been easy etc. but i don't see any of you pulling on a premier league shirt :think:

I would never lean over the shoulder of a surgeon and tell him that his patient should never have died, it was an easy operation, such a "sitter" - why? Cos i'm not trained or capable of being a surgeon. Just the same as none of you are trained or capable of being a premier league striker.

To complain that a player makes constant f*ck ups, missing absolute open goals and fluffing it over the bar in front of a free goalmouth is fair enough. To complain that a player is constantly being denied by one of the most accomplished keepers in Europe is just retarded.

"ooooh! No, Keano! You don't wanna do it like thaaaaat!" :|

 

[nicdic]

Why is it so hard for some to admit that he should have scored?!

 

[chrissivad]

Keane, Defoe, Crouch or Pav doesn't matter who it was from that distance you exspect your strikers to score every time.

It was a fantastic save to stop a goal but how many people didn't think it was a goal when it came across to Keane?

 

[Legend10]

Being a surgeon is slightly different to being to able to head into apretty big target from 4 yards.

I know a hundred Sunday morning players who could have scored there, I don't know 1 person who could do a heart transplant!

 

[Rocksuperstar]

This thread has become retarded.

Bye :hello:

 

[Dibby]

This thread has become retarded.

Bye :hello:

Become?

 

[BringBack_leGin]

While I don't think Keane deserves the criticism he is getting because he played a bloody good game and we still won anyway, I don't think the surgeon argument stands up to the test. None of us will have every performed surgery on anyone, or watched countless hours of surgery, but we've all watched a hell of a lot of football and played a fair bit between us too I'd imagine. All of us here can tell when a footballer has done something right and when he's done something wrong. You don't have to have donned a premier league shirt for that.

He should have scored, he'll know it, and most people watching it should know it. I'd expect any player, having made contact, to score that header. If it was Ekotto there, Lennon, or Teemu bloody Tainio, I'd have expected a goal.

What I will say, and what I said in my first post on this thread, and in the car to my uncle, dad and cousins on the way home, is that I won't take issue with Keane missing goal if a) he has played well and b) it hasn't cost us. Presto, both those two factors have been fulfilled here. I'll criticise Keane far more for not getting a chance than I will for missing an easy one. If he spends a game in the centre circle, which happens on occasion, I'll be very scathing. But missing a goal, which he and all our other strikers have done before and will do again, that can be forgiven if the performance has not suffered.

 

[ShadyAftermath2k]

same old robbie keano

adds nothing to the team but missing good chances ........

were winnning this game without any input of keane

lets give defoe a new partner PLEASE

You sir, are a complete and utter cock. :beer:

 

[SpurSince57]

But you quote other players as taking 1 in 8, or 1 in 5, or whatever the stats. So just so I can be clear on how the stats work Keane is 0 conversions from 3 in the first half and Defoe is 0 conversions from 1 (being the header from the corner).

Correctamundo.

 

[Legend10]

Correctamundo.

Then the stats are effectively worthless as Keane's header is classed as an equivalent chance to Defoe's header?