Appalling that Lloris was allowed to stay on

[striebs]

If he wanted to stay on what more could they have done? I maybe in the minority but I commend him for wanting to play on

I went up to Goodison , my first time there .

Lloris was clearly not with it .

That horrendous clash of heads Erik Edman experienced almost a decade ago seemed to change the guys character permanently - yes organic brain damage .

At times like Sunday when you are incapable of taking car of yourself you are reliant on other people to do it for you and they let him down .

 

[Khilari]

Earlier in this thread you said your colleague in A&E, therefore it's safe to presume that you work for the NHS?

I do
I also meant a previous poster who said he specifically works in A&E
I'm a medic

 

[scoobydoo]

The only reason why this has been blown out of all proportion, imo, is that the game had to stop whilst he was being treated / walked of the pitch. The reason for this being that he is a keeper.

As many others have pointed out, numerous other players have been knocked out and then continued to play. The fact that we had to wait to see if Lloris was going off until the game restarted made it seem like a bigger deal, whereas if he'd been a striker and just sat on the sidelines for a couple of minutes (whilst the game carried on) and then got the smelling salts and come back on, it wouldn't have been any big deal.

You can argue whether there should be a rule to say if you are knocked out you should be subbed, but that is another topic altogether as no rule is in place now.

 

[ethanedwards]

Some never went away.

Do you really believe this is a witch hunt against AVB ?
Thought it was more to do with the welfare of one of our players, but true to form the tin hat brigade circle the wagons and believe this crap.

 

[parklane1]

Do you really believe this is a witch hunt against AVB ?
Thought it was more to do with the welfare of one of our players, but true to form the tin hat brigade circle the wagons and believe this crap.

Get your head out of the sand ( or take the blinkers off)., all this fuss from the media about Lloris, yet when it has happened to other players in the game nothing is said in the papers.

 

[ethanedwards]

Get your head out of the sand ( or take the blinkers off)., all this fuss from the media about Lloris, yet when it has happened to other players in the game nothing is said in the papers.

Utter nonsense, there was numerous articles in the media after the Lukaku incident, calling for thee PL to introduce a concussion policy, but hey that doesn't fit your agenda.

 

[chrissivad]

Out of interest who would have gone in goal had we used all our 3 subs? I'm picturing Walker..

found some photos of Dawson and Holtby in goals during training

https://scontent-a-ams.xx.fbcdn.net...720/1386006_10151742287238505_654176589_n.jpg

https://scontent-a-ams.xx.fbcdn.net...x720/946400_10151742287228505_743202698_n.jpg

https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd....20/1379833_10151742287123505_1904891907_n.jpg

 

[ethanedwards]

found some photos of Dawson and Holtby in goals during training

https://scontent-a-ams.xx.fbcdn.net...720/1386006_10151742287238505_654176589_n.jpg

https://scontent-a-ams.xx.fbcdn.net...x720/946400_10151742287228505_743202698_n.jpg

https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd....20/1379833_10151742287123505_1904891907_n.jpg

Worth a watch

 

[PeeEyeEmPee]

this story has blatantly been overblown because it involves AVB. I can't see any other reason why this incident has generated more debate, airtime, and column inches than those involving Lukaku, Huth, Flamini, and Michu all combined. I also don't think it's a coincidence that there have been a number of AVB-related stories lately. just wait till we lose a game again, the "dressing-room revolt" angle will be pushed harder than ever.

even though there are legitimate concerns abut the way we're playing at the moment, I think it's imperative us fans are seen to be behind him and the especially the team with the run of fixtures we have coming up between now and New Year

 

[parklane1]

Utter nonsense, there was numerous articles in the media after the Lukaku incident, calling for thee PL to introduce a concussion policy, but hey that doesn't fit your agenda.

Where were the numerous articles in the papers after the Huth, Flamini, and Michu incidents, as i said get your head out of the sand, i am not the one with a agenda.

 

[Japhet]

I was at the match and a bloke jogged my arm while I was eating a pie. I want FIFA to introduce exclusion zones around anyone eating pies in future to avoid a tragedy. It was clearly AVB's fault for not clearly stating the dangers of eating pies at Goodison Park in the programme notes. Next time I'll take a crash helmet. Anyone know any good No Win No Fee Solicitors for pie related claims?

 

[HotspurFC1950]

I've not read this thread but I will say this.

Similarly to drink drive these days making life difficult to go out and enjoy oneself this head injury thing and people saying Lloris should not have played on, IMO a good life comes with danger .

Take away danger and life becomes boring.

That's it from me. I won't be reading any replies.

 

[ethanedwards]

Where were the numerous articles in the papers after the Huth, Flamini, and Michu incidents, as i said get your head out of the sand, i am not the one with a agenda.

As you cited the Flamini incident, care to explain why he was substituted.

 

[Qualsonic]

I've not read this thread but I will say this.

Similarly to drink drive these days making life difficult to go out and enjoy oneself this head injury thing and people saying Lloris should not have played on, IMO a good life comes with danger .

Take away danger and life becomes boring.

That's it from me. I won't be reading any replies.

Similar to drink driving?

Good grief.

 

[Gb160]

I've not read this thread but I will say this.

Similarly to drink drive these days making life difficult to go out and enjoy oneself this head injury thing and people saying Lloris should not have played on, IMO a good life comes with danger .

Take away danger and life becomes boring.

That's it from me. I won't be reading any replies.

Those were the days...where you were free to suck on asbestos and lick lead paint until your face falls off.
Aaahhhh....Good times.

 

[PeeEyeEmPee]

As you cited the Flamini incident, care to explain why he was substituted.

not straight away, he wasn't. he only came off when he'd tried to continue, and it was clear that he couldn't.

 

[parklane1]

As you cited the Flamini incident, care to explain why he was substituted.

Did he come off straight away or after he tried to continue, and what about the other cases i mentioned.

 

[jerseyspur]

I do
I also meant a previous poster who said he specifically works in A&E
I'm a medic

Yeah...that was me, guilty as charged...i am currently training in A&E medicine, as well as having experience in pitch side sports trauma (rugby, AFL & boxing).

As discussed earlier, there are a lot of misconceptions, both on here & in the media, regarding the manage of head injuries in sport. Doing what i do, i have experienced first hand some of the situations that have arisen as result of the underestimation and therefore poorly managed traumatic head injuries, and so i have a bit of an interest in it.

Its probably import to first clarify some of the definitions that have been banded about (often incorrectly) since the the incident of Sunday. A concussion (or now more commonly termed Minor Traumatic Brain Injury) is the temporary loss of brain function - which can manifest itself in physical symptoms (headaches, dizziness, blurred vision) and cognitive dysfunction (confusion, disorientation, poor concentration, impaired ability to perform simple everyday tasks etc...). Symptoms are often transient/self limiting an improve with time.

The tweet by the BBC reporting that 'Lloris' CT Scan showed no sign of a concussion' is technically incorrect. CT scans are often completely the normal in people suffering from 'concussion' & the diagnosis is essentially a clinical one based on the findings of serial examinations and cognitive testing. This is very different to the Traumatic Brain Injury that Peter Cech suffered when he had structural damage to his brain and skull (essential a depressed skull fracture causing a bleed in his brain) which can manifest itself in very similar ways to a 'concussion' in the early stages. Cech was lucky in the sense that he's made a full recovery...the consequences of a traumatic brain injury involving bleeding are often more severe and can be fatal.

The importance in both these cases is the mechanism of injury. If you recall, both incidents involved pretty much identical mechanisms...a goalkeeper sliding at the feet of an attacker, and getting a knee to the head rendering them unconscious. So, in real time, how do you tell which one is the most severe? The answer is you can't and therefore each injury should be treated the same. Its because of this, i stand by my original point that the decision to allow Lloris to continue was NEGLIGENT. He should have been withdrawn from the game and given the medical staff to properly observe him. Again, this raises this issue of the inconsistency in the management of these incidents over the past few weeks (e.g. Flamini being substituted, Lukaku/Lloris staying on) This problem lies with the law & policy makers, e.g. the FA, who need to look at establishing CLEAR guidelines.

Now i'm not advocating the idea, that some posters in here have suggested, that all head injuries are subbed off to allow us doctors to assess them. The mechanism required to render a player unconscious is not 'just a bang to the head'...it is a significant impact involve huge amounts of force...and can cause significant, and potentially life threatening injuries and should be managed accordingly. Yes, the majority of them might ultimately turn out to be fine, but in those early stages, it is impossible to tell...

 

[southlondonyiddo]

I went up to Goodison , my first time there .

Lloris was clearly not with it .

That horrendous clash of heads Erik Edman experienced almost a decade ago seemed to change the guys character permanently - yes organic brain damage .

At times like Sunday when you are incapable of taking car of yourself you are reliant on other people to do it for you and they let him down .

SPOT ON

Surely common sense will prevail now and any player that loses consciousness will have to come off to be checked out properly (brain scan). The decision should be taken away from the player/club/officials

What may have happened should Lloris have had another clash of heads in the last 20mins!

 

[al_pacino]

To the tin hatters. At a guess I'd say more is being made of this one is the fact that it was very much a on/off situation, with the medical team seemingly wanting him off but the player winning the argument to stay on. I also think the fact that he's a keeper with the Petr Cech injury still pretty fresh in the memory made a difference.