Arshavin we need.

[stemark44]

If we got Arshavin we definitely would not sign Bentley and I don't think we would need to.
If we had Dos Santos - Modric- Arshavin behind Berbatov and as you say Jenas and Zokora as DM's,we really would be some team!
In fact those three are better than the Gunners trio of Fabregas-Rosicky-Hleb and they are the passing core of their team.

 

[Marty]

I hear what you're saying joey, and I can't say I totally disagree, but I do not think Arshavin and Bentley will both be signed, it'll be either one or the other I guess. I also don't think Zoko and JJ even in more limited roles are good enough to be the holding two and we will need one new DM who will push one of the two out if we were to play in that sort of formation.

However, I think IOMLS's 'Spanish split whatever-the-hell-it-is' 4-4-2 sort of formation is the one we'll most likely go for.

 

[joey55]

I hear what you're saying joey, and I can't say I totally disagree, but I do not think Arshavin and Bentley will both be signed, it'll be either one or the other I guess. I also don't think Zoko and JJ even in more limited roles are good enough to be the holding two and we will need one new DM who will push one of the two out if we were to play in that sort of formation.

However, I think IOMLS's 'Spanish split whatever-the-hell-it-is' 4-4-2 sort of formation is the one we'll most likely go for.

I personally think there is very little chance of that happening. I think Modric needs to get forawrd as much as possible, and would be totally waisted playing in a deeper, flat, 2 man CM, like Scholes and Carrick do. The other suggestion seems to be playing him in front of a holding DM, which again i see no chance of happeing, especially if that DM is Albedla, as has been suggested. That would be one of the least athletic CM pairings possible and if they aren't playing flat, then who the hell is going to do the midfield running. One thing JJ and Zokora do very well as a pair, is press and harry the opposition (though sometimes too high up the pitch).

I'm sure Croatia would have won yesterday, had they played 2 DM's with Modric in front of them, instead of 1 DM, with both Modric and Krancjar dropping back to help out. Modric was dangerous everytime he got the ball in their half. They should have taken off the left sided player, put Krancjar there and left Modric in the middle, but in front of 2 DMs, so he didn't have to keep dropping deep.

I know the idea of a holding DM and a more attacking CM sounds right in theory, but in practice I don't think it can work. In my opinion it would be a total waste of Modri'cs talent to play him in a restrained flat pairing and he isn't athletic enough to play on his own infront of a holding player. The only way I can see him playing is CM of a 442, is with a very atheltic, mobile DM, who won't hold, but get around the pitch, to close down, harry, win the ball and support the attack, but still having the legs to get back and defend. To me that isn't the job an Albelda type, but a Keane, Costinha or Vieira type.

 

[DEFchenkOE]

I would love us to sign Arshavin and have been saying for a while that 4-2-3-1 is the best way forward for us with the creative players we have. I alsothink that JJ and Zoko could do the defensive dog work and other players maybe KPB or Hudd could also provide cover there. The chemistry and fluidity of 4 technically gifted players like Berba, Modric, Dos Santos and possibly Arshavin would be superb. Add to that the option of bringing on a Keane, Bent or Lennon to mix it up. I can only see that as a winning formula.

Arshavin is a special player, he has a swagger about him, he knows he is very good and has the confidence. If there is any chance that we could sign him then we must, he is like a european Riquelme.

 

[batigol]

Based on Arshavin's performance against Sweden and now Holland, he is the standout player for me in terms of impact and performances.

For me, he such an intelligent player who shows such great ability on the ball with superb passing that I hope Modric can learn from and his on & off-the-ball movements are really clever! If we are willing to spend 15 million on Bentley then I hope we spend that money on Arshavin instead because he is truly world class at the moment (Although I don't think we can get him at that price now seeing how he is performing at Euros)

For me, he is what I hope Modric can become 2-4 years down the road. I know that I am raving about him but the way he plays at the moment just outshines both Van De Vaart and even the superb Sneijder. Magnificent player.

 

[Rocksuperstar]

Nope, i'm still in the Sneijder camp with this one - Arshavin is undoubdtedly a technical wizard but Wes is more creative and a bit more adventurous for me, which i like. I can see why others would prefer Arshavin but he'd suit a more regimented team whereas i prefer the playmaker to be a bit more unpredictable.

just my tuppence.

 

[batigol]

I think Sneijder is seen as unregimented because he is given a free role in this game. In terms of penetration, dribbling, movements, passing, and crossing, Arshavin has been absolutely superb. Even if Holland know what Arshavin is doing as he isn't doing anything unpredictable as you mentioned, it seems they can do nothing to stop him from passing/ crossing / dribbling through their defence. If RVN was playing for Russia, then Russia would have scored many more goals although Palychenko looks a great player too.

For me, Sneijder is obviously better in only one department, and that is shooting. Arshavin is the more intelligent footballer while Sneijder perhaps have the edge in flair and the unpredictability you are talking about.

My opinion too. Seriously, I will probably wet myself if either of them plays for Spurs next season but it is impossible in terms of Sneijder but slightly in the realm of reason for Arshavin, hence my greater excitement too. :grin:

 

[Rocksuperstar]

I think Sneijder is seen as unregimented because he is given a free role in this game. In terms of penetration, dribbling, movements, passing, and crossing, Arshavin has been absolutely superb. Even if Holland know what Arshavin is doing as he isn't doing anything unpredictable as you mentioned, it seems they can do nothing to stop him from passing/ crossing / dribbling through their defence. If RVN was playing for Russia, then Russia would have scored many more goals although Palychenko looks a great player too.

For me, Sneijder is obviously better in only one department, and that is shooting. Arshavin is the more intelligent footballer while Sneijder perhaps have the edge in flair and the unpredictability you are talking about.

My opinion too. Seriously, I will probably wet myself if either of them plays for Spurs next season but it is impossible in terms of Sneijder but slightly in the realm of reason for Arshavin, hence my greater excitement too. :grin:

yeah, maybe you're right - it's the confidence to take the shot from 30 yards and the fact that he keeps his head up like a bit of a hawk, where Arshavin gets his head down and goes jinking through. I dunno, i've not seen much of Arshavin other than this competition so we'll see...

 

[don1]

class act sign him i say

 

[northampton_yid]

just watched russia totaly outplay holland, and arshavin was involved in everything. this is one special talent, forget your kaka and ronaldo, i'd rather have this guy. total team player.

 

[yanno]

Unfortunately, on the back of that mesmerising performance from Arshavin, I wouldn't be surprized to see Abramovich tell Big Phil to forget about Deco and sign his countryman instead.

Arshavin is now the hero of Russia and, for Abramovich, he'd be another toy to add to his collection.

 

[joey55]

I think we have a genuine chance of signing this guy. The economic environment we find ourselves in is like nothing before. When we are experiencing a market in which most European clubs are so financially supressed that our main competition for Modric was Newcastle and for Gio was Man City, anything is possible. If Milan, Inter, Real, Barca or our top 4 don't go for him, then because of the financial problems in European football, we should be next in line. Utd definitley don't need him, I doubt Liverpool can afford him and Wenger never spends money on players of his age. Milan have said they are only interested in Adabayor, so really i'd say it's up to Inter, Real, Barca and Chelsea. If they don't want him, then we should be next in line. I can't see him going to Germany and all the other clubs that traditioanlyy are ahead of us in the pecking order don't currently have the finances. The likes of Valencia, Juve, Roma and Lazio just can't afford these players at the moment.

 

[Rocksuperstar]

I can picture it now - he gets home from the tournament, unlocks his front door, looking forward to putting his feet up. Takes a step into the lounge, sharp blow on the back of his head and he wakes up, 48 hours later, wearing a blue shirt, sat in a warehouse in west London surrounded by men with thick Russian accents...

 

[joey55]

Unfortunately, on the back of that mesmerising performance from Arshavin, I wouldn't be surprized to see Abramovich tell Big Phil to forget about Deco and sign his countryman instead.

Arshavin is now the hero of Russia and, for Abramovich, he'd be another toy to add to his collection.

I think he probably already was though. Surely he can't be a surprise to Abramovich. He's been incredible everytime I've seen him play.

 

[haxman]

class act sign him i say

I'd imagine every other club's forums have posts like this after the way he played tonight.

 

[Petyr]

Unfortunately, Chelsea is the most likely destination. Would be fantastic to add him to Modric and Santos.

 

[AngerManagement]

Yes he is going to be very sort after once this championship is over, he may well have his pick of clubs and a lot of money thrown at him.

It may well be a case of him being beyond our reach now, let alone discussing wheter we would still want him after signing MOdric and Dos Santos (it is unlikely to even be an option for us)

 

[yanno]

I think he probably already was though. Surely he can't be a surprise to Abramovich. He's been incredible everytime I've seen him play.

Abramovich always looks gormless, so I find it hard to take him seriously, especially as he stole his billions from the Russian people.

When Abramovich paid far too much for "Russian" football's previous pinup boy, the Ukrainian Shevchenko, he proved that he will spend millions for emotional reasons. Arshavin is now the obvious target for Abramovich - regardless of Scolari's views. However, given Big Phil isn't gormless, I doubt he'll be too upset if his Chairman buys Arshavin for him.

 

[stemark44]

I think we have a genuine chance of signing this guy. The economic environment we find ourselves in is like nothing before. When we are experiencing a market in which most European clubs are so financially supressed that our main competition for Modric was Newcastle and for Gio was Man City, anything is possible. If Milan, Inter, Real, Barca or our top 4 don't go for him, then because of the financial problems in European football, we should be next in line. Utd definitley don't need him, I doubt Liverpool can afford him and Wenger never spends money on players of his age. Milan have said they are only interested in Adabayor, so really i'd say it's up to Inter, Real, Barca and Chelsea. If they don't want him, then we should be next in line. I can't see him going to Germany and all the other clubs that traditioanlyy are ahead of us in the pecking order don't currently have the finances. The likes of Valencia, Juve, Roma and Lazio just can't afford these players at the moment.

I think the only way we can sign him is by selling Berbatov for around £27 million - otherwise we will not be able to afford him and to tell you the truth I would be happy with that deal!
This guys ability is known to anyone who has watched football in the past few years - why are clubs waiting until now to sign this player.I could have told our chairman to buy him 2 years ago and I am not the only one in this forum!
He will definitely end up at Chelsea now FFS!

 

[ostrov]

Holland simply had no answer to Arshi. Little genius!
And hungry for success.
After head to head with Spain or Italy we all will be even more amazed.

At the moment is more valueable than Modric and Dos Santos combined.