AVB's success at Porto.

[StartingPrice]

Trouble is even though I agree with much of the above and yes we have to get behind him 100%. But too many performances like in the first half on Saturday and he wont last - no matter how loyal we are or try to be.

But Saturday was the ony truly bad performance - Newcastle was actually pretty damned good, and WBA was good until the final third (the Baggies finishing strongly seems to be blinding folk into thinking they were the better team). I thought a lot of the lpayers looked pretty damned sorry for themselves TBH, nothing to do with tactics and a lot to do with playing damned well and losing a nd then pretty well and conceding late, so boo hoo, poor us, where can we hide.

I wouldn't imagine they will get away with that with Dempsey and, hopefully, Parker, in the team. And eventually Adebayor will actually look match fit.

 

[EZSpur]

But Saturday was the ony truly bad performance - Newcaslte was actually pretty damned good, and WBA was good until the final third (the Baggies finishing strongly seems to be blinding folk into thinking they were the better team). I thought a lot of the lpayers looked pretty damned sorry for themselves TBH, nothing to do with tactics and a lot to do with playing damned well and losing a nd then pretty well and conceding late, so boo hoo, poor us, where can we hide.

I wouldn't imagine they will get away with that with Dempsey and, hopefully, Parker, in the team. And eventually Adebayor will actually look match fit.

Here's hoping that the Norwich game was a real blip, a possible hangover from a late night Deadline Day Frenzy with players not fully in game mode come match day.
Plus, no doubt some of them would've been feeling the loss of Modric and VDV, not just as players, but as mates.
Can imagine a somewhat subdued dressing room without King and VDV.

Anyway, things will be different at Reading - i can feel it!

 

[Supersi32]

Want AVB to succeed so badly and prove the booing numpties wrong.

Man hasnt even been able to field his strongest team yet. He's lost 3 key players in the summer, not to mention Parker and Kaboul to long term injury.

The clubs last minute dealings in the market havent fken helped either.

3 games in and the knives are out and the media are loving it, utterly pathetic.

This was to be expected following the Chelsea debacle, it was vital that AVB got off to a flyer which hasn`t happened so cue the inevitable questioning. I had serious reservations about him becoming our manager and I still have. Like you I do want him to succeed, however my basis for that is hope more than confidence.

 

[michaelden]

What bothers me Donki is, anybody can come into a team with world superstars and be a success. But we are some ways off having a true super star striker like Falcao. I wonder if Levy had one of those "Being There" moments, when it came to AVB?

Have a look at Chelsea's successes, now minus Mourinho, and check again. They had stars & managers and didn't win much.

 

[michaelden]

the bottom line is AVB was a completely unproven manager and should not have been appoiinted.

The double bottom line is that he was appointed manager, he is Spurs manager and we should get behind him 100% because more change, even if it is for a more qualified (at present) manager, is no good for anybody.

CLARIFICATION: Not saying AVB is not a good manager or immensely talented or wont come good...just saying he was unproven and should not have been appointed.

Unproven by what standards?

 

[Harry_Snatch]

He pulled up trees at the club before he was at Porto with sod all budget.

He is a phenom and some people WILL end up feeling very silly pretty soon.

 

[SteveH]

He pulled up trees at the club before he was at Porto with sod all budget.

He is a phenom and some people WILL end up feeling very silly pretty soon.

Good post

I borrowed this

Académica
André Villas-Boas at a Portopress conference.

At the start of the 2009–10 season, Villas-Boas left Mourinho's team to pursue a career as a manager, and he soon found a job in the Primeira Liga with Académica de Coimbra, filling a vacancy created by Rogério Gonçalves' resignation in October 2009.[10][12] At the time of his appointment, Académica were at the bottom of the league and still without any wins, but their luck started to change as he introduced a new style, leading them to a safe 11th place, ten points clear of the relegation zone. In addition to that, Académica also reached the 2009–10 Portuguese League Cup semi-finals, losing against Porto at the Estádio do Dragão to a late goal from Mariano González. His impact at Académica was immediate, not only because of solid results, but also because of the attractive football displayed by the team, which led to intense media speculation linking him with the vacant jobs at Sporting Clube de Portugal and Porto in the summer of 2010.[10]

 

[kungfugrip]

Please dont - I was so happy we signed Ramos. Oh how I was wrong! There are parallels though sadly.

At least AVB can communicate properly.

 

[ethanedwards]

Want AVB to succeed so badly and prove the booing numpties wrong.

Man hasnt even been able to field his strongest team yet. He's lost 3 key players in the summer, not to mention Parker and Kaboul to long term injury.

The clubs last minute dealings in the market havent fken helped either.

3 games in and the knives are out and the media are loving it, utterly pathetic.

It's not pathetic, it's a contrary opinion to yours, I thought that was point of a forum.

 

[kungfugrip]

Have a look at Chelsea's successes, now minus Mourinho, and check again. They had stars & managers and didn't win much.

Eh? In the 7 years before Mourinho, Chelsea won 2 FA Cups, a League Cup, a UEFA Cup Winners Cup, a UEFA Super Cup and a Community Shield. Not exactly shabby.

 

[StartingPrice]

At least AVB can communicate properly.

You mean unlike Ramos...or unlike 'Arry

It's not pathetic, it's a contrary opinion to yours, I thought that was point of a forum.

I took it to mean the media...not that no-one is allowed to hold an opinion contrary to his.

Eh? In the 7 years before Mourinho, Chelsea won 2 FA Cups, a League Cup, a UEFA Cup Winners Cup, a UEFA Super Cup and a Community Shield. Not exactly shabby.

I think he means since Mourinho left and not before he arrived

 

[kungfugrip]

You mean unlike Ramos...or unlike 'Arry



I took it to mean the media...not that no-one is allowed to hold an opinion contrary to his.



I think he means since Mourinho left and not before he arrived

Oh, right.......well it's a Champions League, Premier League title, 3 FA Cups and Communtiy Shield then I think since he left.

 

[Rout-Ledge]

He's been here for three games, the pressure needs to be taken off rather than piled on. This season is a write off as far as I'm concerned, Champions League wise at least, so why not let him get on with it for a while? He's not going to get us relegated.

 

[RichieS]

He's been here for three games, the pressure needs to be taken off rather than piled on. This season is a write off as far as I'm concerned, Champions League wise at least, so why not let him get on with it for a while? He's not going to get us relegated.

I agree with this, but unfortunately all the people who believe Redknapp was sacked because fourth wasn't good enough aren't going to accept that state of affairs.

 

[BPR_U16]

Was it just built on the back of an excellent Porto team with world class players like Falcao?

I'm not sure, but was nattering to my son about this.

Thoughts peeps?

Have you been listening to that Durham geezer on TalkShit - this was his exact point yesterday.

There's no doubt that having a player like Falcao as centre forward helps, because a top striker taking his one opportunity can make all the difference between a win or a draw - but there was much more to that team than that.

It was a team, a team that worked together, that understood their roles and accepted the tactics. Given time, and right personnel, hopefully we will show that philosophy will work in the EPL too.

 

[StartingPrice]

Oh, right.......well it's a Champions League, Premier League title, 3 FA Cups and Communtiy Shield then I think since he left.

In how many years? Mourinho won what in how many years? He was sacked, leaving a start-studded side packed with stars that has been added to at massive cost and aside from the incredibly fortuitous and improbable CL/FA Cup double lat year, they have hardly dominated English and European football - which is, I believe, the point he was making.

 

[ultimateloner]

He's been here for three games, the pressure needs to be taken off rather than piled on. This season is a write off as far as I'm concerned, Champions League wise at least, so why not let him get on with it for a while? He's not going to get us relegated.

Why is this season a write off? Our main competitors are doing as badly as us with the exception of Arsenal and even then we aren't exactly far off. There's everything to play for still. If anything else the team needs even more pressure to deliver because we a CL team and the players need to show the fire and dignity required. You can play badly and still pounce, just look at Man Utd against So'ton (should have lost this all day). I hold the manager accountable for motivation.

 

[fatpiranha]

I think AVB was very lucky to have a truly great player like Falcao at his disposal but IMHO the rest of the team is overrated which has to be to AVB's credit considering what he achieved with them.

 

[StartingPrice]

Why is this season a write off? Our main competitors are doing as badly as us with the exception of Arsenal and even then we aren't exactly far off. There's everything to play for still. If anything else the team needs even more pressure to deliver because we a CL team and the players need to show the fire and dignity required. You can play badly and still pounce, just look at Man Utd against So'ton (should have lost this all day). I hold the manager accountable for motivation.

I wouldn't even say the Goons are doing that much better - they have only scored agianst one team - a liverpool side having even more of a miserable time than us.

 

[Rout-Ledge]

Why is this season a write off? Our main competitors are doing as badly as us with the exception of Arsenal and even then we aren't exactly far off. There's everything to play for still. If anything else the team needs even more pressure to deliver because we a CL team and the players need to show the fire and dignity required. You can play badly and still pounce, just look at Man Utd against So'ton (should have lost this all day). I hold the manager accountable for motivation.

Obviously it's entirely subjective, and write off was perhaps a harsh way of putting it. I'll call it a long shot.

I only believe this to be the case because with a new non 'quick fix' manager, not to mention having the spine ripped out of the team over the summer, it was always going to make top 4 a big ask against the likes of Chelsea and Arsenal. Particularly when we are looking bereft of creativity in midfield, AVB having been denied his primary target in that area.