Berbatov

[AngerManagement]

It's a shame though, you'd think the Champions League would be a pretty big deal to want to play in.

How comes Newcastle seem so darn good at picking up players too good for them that are money-grabbing mercenaries - why can't we do this! :lol:

Because currently their level is pretty low, but they have the money and turn over of a club hgher than their current status. So the can easily find a player perceived to good for them who is not on the radar of bigger clubs and lure him in with a wage packet that dwarf's what he currently makes.

And the reason we can't is because we do not spend crazy money and our position is fairly high, so in order for us to entice players too good for us with money alone we would have to be splashing Man City type cash around.

 

[StartingPrice]

I can't believe Utd would sell Berbatov for £7.5M. They could easily get double that.

It is SILLY SEASON:grin:

Our dressing room is different now and again, all the unrest stories came about when the move to United was materialising in Summer 2008. Berbatov had first talked about wanting to go to United in Summer 2007, which would make me think that promises were made...the unrest in the changing room didn't materialise until he was on the verge of a big money move (which would have fell through if he got injured, which both the club and the player knew), he was amazing for us in the last season, even with knowledge of United's interest.

You don't know the background story and I'm sure it's more complicated than Berbatov throwing a strop, I honestly think promises were made and when it looked like they were going to be brooken (DL's transfer tactics), then Berbatov threw the toys out of the pram.

People can change.

mg:

Actually, there have been very strong allegetations that he was aloof and unpopular which have nothing to do with his final few weeks and his strop. The same allegetations have surfaced at OT. I have already said this...I think you need to take it on board as at least a strong possibility.

If promises were made why were we constantly trying to get him to commit and sign long-term contract?

No matter how you or anyone else tries to dress it up, and,,yes, this is harking back to his departure, United were told exactly what they would have to pay, and made an offer they knew was insulting, and left him to do the dirty work for him. I don't like United for doing it, but I don't really blame them for trying. I do blame Berbatov for trying to force our club to accept a risible offer, when, until he moved, his first loyalty should ahve been to us - that is unethical, and I really can't see, in spite of his footballing ability, why so many Spurs fans are willing to let him off the hook so easily.

Anyway, in the World of the here-and-now, I repeat, wouldn't you be happier getting a young striker who was prospectively as good or better than Berbatov, would have a much better sell-on value, and would not have all of the baggage and potential damage to the dressing room?

If you want that and an experierenced striker, fine - but I think van Nistleroy would be a better fit - when we are dominating teams and pinning them into their final 3rd I think Ruud would score far more than Berbatov.

 

[DJS]

Because currently their level is pretty low, but they have the money and turn over of a club hgher than their current status. So the can easily find a player perceived to good for them who is not on the radar of bigger clubs and lure him in with a wage packet that dwarf's what he currently makes.

And the reason we can't is because we do not spend crazy money and our position is fairly high, so in order for us to entice players too good for us with money alone we would have to be splashing Man City type cash around.

Crazy isn't it?!?!

I'd hope if we ever sort our stadium out, we should be matching them for turnover.

 

[wevegotledleyattheback]

Sign him up yes please!

Whilst he can comes across a bit lethargic at times and doesnt always deliver against the big boys Berba bullies the so called smaller teams, something we desperately need! Not sure he'll work in a 442 alongside Rafa but then again I dont see many better realistic options out there

 

[dav3j]

Or, alternatively, if you actually read the thread, you would see that there are concerns about his impact at the club. On top of that, yes, the way he behaved is seen as something of an obstacle - this isn't just bitterness (as you call it with your innate air of superiority): it is also quite reasonable to suppose that if he came back and we came to rely on him, and then another of the clubs it has always been my dream...who can deny me my dream come in for him he would stitch us up and leave us in the lurch again.

Lose your googles - yes, we are bitter, do you understand why? But many of us have concerns about issue that would be specifically about him, in this club, today.

In short, if he could change his whole persona, develop more work-rate, and give some guarantee that he wouldn't stitch us up again, I wold find it easier to welcome him back, in spite of his behaviour the first time around - so, clearly, no it is not just about my inability to let go of my bitterness, that prevents me from being overly enthusiastic about this prospect.

At 30 years old and coming off the back of what will be seen by many as a failed spell at United (despite his impressive goalscoring record) will in my opinion make it far less likely that he gets poached by a bigger club, and that he has some big-time Charie attitude if he does come back. We relied on Berbatov big time when he was with us, yes, in fact he was probably (and this is going to rile you) too good for us at the time. Can you really see this happening again were he to join us though? We've got true world class players like Modric, Bale, VdV, etc who already run the show for us. All we need is someone to score a few goals!

I don't know why you're accusing me of having goggles. Do I understand why you're bitter? Yes, I remember that transfer window as well as anyone else, but I'm rather more fond of thinking how Spurs could improve and win things rather than wallowing in my own bile.

But, as I said, if he did come back, I would instantly become his number one fan.

You've more or less proved my point here, by the way!

Berbatov isn't going to give us some cast iron guarantee he isn't going to move or "stitch us up again", if you hadn't realised, he's a professional footballer, not a Spurs fan like you and I.

 

[Dan Ashcroft]

Sign him up yes please!

Whilst he can comes across a bit lethargic at times and doesnt always deliver against the big boys Berba bullies the so called smaller teams, something we desperately need! Not sure he'll work in a 442 alongside Rafa but then again I dont see many better realistic options out there

Hutton--Gallas--Dawson---Bale

--Modric---Sandro---Hudd

--vdV-------------Keane

--------Berbatov

:shrug:


or, more likely:


---Modric-----Sandro

Lennon----vdV-------Bale

--------Berbatov

 

[nailsy]

It is SILLY SEASON:grin:



mg:

Actually, there have been very strong allegetations that he was aloof and unpopular which have nothing to do with his final few weeks and his strop. The same allegetations have surfaced at OT. I have already said this...I think you need to take it on board as at least a strong possibility.

If promises were made why were we constantly trying to get him to commit and sign long-term contract?

No matter how you or anyone else tries to dress it up, and,,yes, this is harking back to his departure, United were told exactly what they would have to pay, and made an offer they knew was insulting, and left him to do the dirty work for him. I don't like United for doing it, but I don't really blame them for trying. I do blame Berbatov for trying to force our club to accept a risible offer, when, until he moved, his first loyalty should ahve been to us - that is unethical, and I really can't see, in spite of his footballing ability, why so many Spurs fans are willing to let him off the hook so easily.

Anyway, in the World of the here-and-now, I repeat, wouldn't you be happier getting a young striker who was prospectively as good or better than Berbatov, would have a much better sell-on value, and would not have all of the baggage and potential damage to the dressing room?

If you want that and an experierenced striker, fine - but I think van Nistleroy would be a better fit - when we are dominating teams and pinning them into their final 3rd I think Ruud would score far more than Berbatov.

I've got to say that the way he left us was sickening. I can remember seeing him on Skysports news walking through Old Trafford laughing with Fergie before we'd even given them permission to talk to him. It was an absolute disgrace.

But he was one on the best players I've ever seen at The Lane. Some of the tricks he pulled off were sublime. At the time I thought he was the best I'd seen since Cantana. Finding a young player who can be better than him will be difficult.

If he's available at a decent price then I would take him back. I will never admire him as much as I did when he was here before but I will support him, and I'm sure I'll enjoy watching him play. And I can't really see him repeating his actions in the build up to his move to Utd can you?

 

[StartingPrice]

At 30 years old and coming off the back of what will be seen by many as a failed spell at United (despite his impressive goalscoring record) will in my opinion make it far less likely that he gets poached by a bigger club, and that he has some big-time Charie attitude if he does come back. We relied on Berbatov big time when he was with us, yes, in fact he was probably (and this is going to rile you) too good for us at the time. Can you really see this happening again were he to join us though? We've got true world class players like Modric, Bale, VdV, etc who already run the show for us. All we need is someone to score a few goals!

I don't know why you're accusing me of having goggles. Do I understand why you're bitter? Yes, I remember that transfer window as well as anyone else, but I'm rather more fond of thinking how Spurs could improve and win things rather than wallowing in my own bile.

You've more or less proved my point here, by the way!

Berbatov isn't going to give us some cast iron guarantee he isn't going to move or "stitch us up again", if you hadn't realised, he's a professional footballer, not a Spurs fan like you and I.

Considering I gave very exact reasons, the most serious of which, his effect on the dressing room, you have done nothing to dispel, based on the HERE-AND-NOW (you understand this term?), it is rather puerile of you to AGAIN make an accusation that I am wallowing in bile:roll:

Why should saying he was too good for us rile me - I don't have a problem with such a 'probably based in fact' claim. I have a problem with the fact that he tried to force us to accept a bid £13 milliol below an asking price that was stated at the start of the transfer windon at the behest of his prospective new employers to the damage of his (then) emplyers - can you REALLY not see that that is seriously unethical?:duh: Search the whole of this MB, from the beginning, read ALL of my posts, and you will see I have never, ever, not once, had a problem with Michael Carrick, adn have defended him against people who have - now, that is wallowing in bile just because a player moved on to a bigger club. But you don't, do you! You just come on here with your innate air of superiority because you have forgiven him and decided to enlighten those of us wallowing in bile.

Just for the record, I am not particularly bitter - I have serious scuples concerning the ethics of the man, and a serious concern that he would damage one of our prize assets - the dressing room. You have goggles on becuase you are so focussed on how good he was first time around that you cannot see that anything other than acceptance of your viewpoint may be well-reasoned. it is not an accusation you can make in reverse - I can see full-well that as a player he was fantastic, my fear concning his affect on the dressing room is based on lingering and persistent reports from more than one club, and my ethical objections are based on a philosophical standpoint.

I am more concerned about Spurs improving and winning things THAT IS WHY I AM DEEPLY CONCERNED ABOUT THE AFFECT HE WOULD HAVE ON THE DRESSING ROOM HERE-AND-NOW:roll:

No. No, I didn't more or less prove your point there! I said that if he signed for us I would become his biggest fan. That is the attitude I take with all players who sign for Spurs. Again, if you had actually tried reading through the thread I wouldn't need to repeat this. I didn't particularly wany Gallas to come, but the moment he signed for us I supported him fully and I glad he has proven me wrong. I would never want a player who put the shirt on to fail - to do so would be childish. I fail to see how a position of support I adopt (which does seem to negate your accusation that I am filled with bile, however:roll proves anything you said, really.

Yes, thanks for the partronising tone are you sure you can back it up, that he is a professional footballer and not a Spurs fan - are you suggesting all professional footballers atempt to con their present employers out of £13 million at the behest of their prospective emplyers.

You need to get over yourself and your faux sense of moral superiority which is, amazingly, not based on some altriustic ideal at all but on the fact that you are a Spurs fan and would see the signing of this player as benefitting the club you support:roll:

 

[Paolo10]

This dressing room effect have any backup? The same dressing room that RK disrupted to get his move?

He was aloof? Big deal! He was also OUTSTANDING for us. You seem to have a quite a degree of vitriol based on media reports and some heresay. Would you care if Modders had a bad reputation or was also aloof if he kept doing it on the pitch?

I care more about the team's performances, some people are hard to get on with...all that should go out the window on the pitch in the professional game (as it does in most teams at all levels, everywhere). I don't remember too many team-mates (of which few are left btw) criticising him, do you?

 

[dav3j]

Considering I gave very exact reasons, the most serious of which, his effect on the dressing room, you have done nothing to dispel, based on the HERE-AND-NOW (you understand this term?), it is rather puerile of you to AGAIN make an accusation that I am wallowing in bile:roll:

Why should saying he was too good for us rile me - I don't have a problem with such a 'probably based in fact' claim. I have a problem with the fact that he tried to force us to accept a bid £13 milliol below an asking price that was stated at the start of the transfer windon at the behest of his prospective new employers to the damage of his (then) emplyers - can you REALLY not see that that is seriously unethical?:duh: Search the whole of this MB, from the beginning, read ALL of my posts, and you will see I have never, ever, not once, had a problem with Michael Carrick, adn have defended him against people who have - now, that is wallowing in bile just because a player moved on to a bigger club. But you don't, do you! You just come on here with your innate air of superiority because you have forgiven him and decided to enlighten those of us wallowing in bile.

Just for the record, I am not particularly bitter - I have serious scuples concerning the ethics of the man, and a serious concern that he would damage one of our prize assets - the dressing room. You have goggles on becuase you are so focussed on how good he was first time around that you cannot see that anything other than acceptance of your viewpoint may be well-reasoned. it is not an accusation you can make in reverse - I can see full-well that as a player he was fantastic, my fear concning his affect on the dressing room is based on lingering and persistent reports from more than one club, and my ethical objections are based on a philosophical standpoint.

I am more concerned about Spurs improving and winning things THAT IS WHY I AM DEEPLY CONCERNED ABOUT THE AFFECT HE WOULD HAVE ON THE DRESSING ROOM HERE-AND-NOW:roll:

No. No, I didn't more or less prove your point there! I said that if he signed for us I would become his biggest fan. That is the attitude I take with all players who sign for Spurs. Again, if you had actually tried reading through the thread I wouldn't need to repeat this. I didn't particularly wany Gallas to come, but the moment he signed for us I supported him fully and I glad he has proven me wrong. I would never want a player who put the shirt on to fail - to do so would be childish. I fail to see how a position of support I adopt (which does seem to negate your accusation that I am filled with bile, however:roll proves anything you said, really.

Yes, thanks for the partronising tone are you sure you can back it up, that he is a professional footballer and not a Spurs fan - are you suggesting all professional footballers atempt to con their present employers out of £13 million at the behest of their prospective emplyers.

You need to get over yourself and your faux sense of moral superiority which is, amazingly, not based on some altriustic ideal at all but on the fact that you are a Spurs fan and would see the signing of this player as benefitting the club you support:roll:

Fuck me mate, whatever you're on, get them to up the dose. You're raging big time and all I've done is put forwards my view that I don't think he will cause us the issues he did last time round and that a striker of his ability and type is exactly what we need. I'm not trying to be "patronising", showing an "innate air of superiority" or any shit like that.

CTFO.

 

[Petyr]

Is this ITK or speculation?

I have access to Bulgarian media and his agent talks mainly for Bulgarian media. He's promised that he will talk about Berbatov's future in the next few days. Both he and Berbatov avoid interviews for now because Berbatov isn't sure whether he wants to leave Man United.

The situation with his contract is the following. His contract expires next summer. But Man U have the option to extend it til the summer of 2013. They can take that option till the end of next month.

At the moment, Berbatov's price is relatively low, under 10m, for his contract expires in a year.

 

[Petyr]

Berbatov's latest stance is that he will fight for his place at Man United. He talked to Bulgarian media minutes ago and said that his intention is to stay till the end of his contract.

I'm not happy for his decision but he is utterly tenacious and plans to retire at Man United.

There are rumours though that Ferguson plans to make Welbeck his third choice striker and will try to make room for him by selling Berbatov. If he tells him that he has absolutely no future at Man United, Berbatov could change his decision to stay and fight for his place.

I'll inform you for further developments.

 

[nicdic]

Sorry Petyr, that's rubbish.

In the week before the CL final, his agent was saying that they would run down the last year of the contract, now he wants out. His agent is actively looking for a new club.

 

[StartingPrice]

Fuck me mate, whatever you're on, get them to up the dose. You're raging big time and all I've done is put forwards my view that I don't think he will cause us the issues he did last time round and that a striker of his ability and type is exactly what we need. I'm not trying to be "patronising", showing an "innate air of superiority" or any shit like that.

CTFO.

If you think that's me raging...:grin:

No, actually what you did was accused anyone who didn't welcome him back with ppen arms of being consumed with biterness, basically.

I object to that, I have issues with certain apsects of his ethical behaviour, in the run up to the move which have nothing to do with bitterness. And I have concerns about his affect on the team spirit seen as allegations that he is an acrid prescence in the dressing room have followed from our club to United (his dream move, and a club with whom he has won trophies) - that has nothing to do with bitterness, either.

Sorry, but you did come over pretty patronising, with your talk of consuming bitterness and all.

Like I said, if he were to join us I would avidly hope he succeeds - just thing there are other tagets we can go for without stirring up all of these issues.

 

[Ron Burgundy]

If he was willing to work hard I'd have him back in a heart beat. More talent than the rest of our strikers combined

We'd need others alongside him though, preferably ones who are capable of runnning faster than a one legged sloth

 

[Petyr]

Sorry Petyr, that's rubbish.

In the week before the CL final, his agent was saying that they would run down the last year of the contract, now he wants out. His agent is actively looking for a new club.

What is rubbish? I just wrote what Berbatov himself said an hour ago. In 1-2 days his interview will be cited by English media. I want him to return to Spurs and still hope so.

 

[3Dnata]

Could his comments have anything to do with a loyalty clause with Manu Petyr?
I hope he returns to Spurs too he's hardly likely to get an "upwards" move again.

 

[StartingPrice]

this dressing room effect have any backup? The same dressing room that rk disrupted to get his move? i don't recall any reports of robbie keane disrupting the dressing room, if he did he should, likewise, be censured. All i recall, however, is that he said he wanted to move, after pledging his loyalty and that upset some folk (i wasn't exactly happy) - but that was before the season started, so he couldn't have refused to play and issued statements about his head not being right.

he was aloof? but i've never once complained about him being aloof. big deal! He was also outstanding for us. he was. you seem to have a quite a degree of vitriol based on media reports and some heresay. i don't have much vitriol - an ethical issue with the way he agitated for a move after united made an offer £13 million below our stated asking price and left him to agitate for the move - and he did just that. That is ethically wrong. And a concern, based on persistent rumours, that he is a disruptive influence in the dressing room, when team spirit is one of our major assets. No, i have no proof of his attitude in the dressing room, but (take it for what you will) there was persistent itk that he wasn't liked by a lot of the players at whl, it does seem strange that a lot of these accusations have resurfaced at ot, deson't it? Even if they are hearsay. would you care if modders had a bad reputation or was also aloof if he kept doing it on the pitch? yes, because football is a team sport, and in any team sport team spirit is vital - i don't care how much one player is doing it on the pitch, if it was having a negative effect on team performance.

i care more about the team's performances, some people are hard to get on with...all that should go out the window on the pitch in the professional game (as it does in most teams at all levels, everywhere). but we are not talking about being hard to get on with, we are talking about making a bad atmosphere - eventually i believe that has a negative effect. i don't remember too many team-mates (of which few are left btw) criticising him, do you? like i said, persistent itk from two clubs to that effect - no, it's not proof. But given that is what we have to go on, i do find it plausible - plausible enough for me to be concerned it could effect our clearly excellent team spirit.

sp

 

[Petyr]

Here is a link for what he said. It's in Bulgarian. You can use Google translator.

In short, he said that he felt very very upset for being omitted from the group for the final. But he wants to stay and fight for his place in the first team.

http://www.24chasa.bg/Article.asp?ArticleId=911899

 

[Ron Burgundy]

Here is a link for what he said. It's in Bulgarian. You can use Google translator.

In short, he said that he felt very very upset for being omitted from the group for the final. But he wants to stay and fight for his place in the first team.

http://www.24chasa.bg/Article.asp?ArticleId=911899

What a gay lord - we bloody worshipped him and he f*cked us over

They think he's a waste of space and he bends over and takes it like a bitch

Treat 'em mean.....