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Petyr

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I think it's his problem rather than ours. There is a very limited number of clubs who could meet our asking price, and of those one could well miss out on CL football next season. Add in how many of those few actually want/need him, and the choice is more limited still.

The asking price is not something fixed but depends on many factories which cannot be predicted in advance. If the player handed in a transfer request, this would reflect on his price. If he is firm in his desire to leave and is ready to go on strike the price cannot remain the same. Ultimately, the most important thing is not contractual but psychological: how much the player wants out. As regards Berbatov's case, his agent is desperate to find him a CL club and went so far to call Spurs small for his client. As to whether Berbatov himself is desperate to leave, well, time will tell etc.
 

nicdic

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I'd assume from him arranging his return for pre season training that he's not desperate to leave. I think he's happy to stay, but if a club meets our valuation, he'll talk to them and could go.
 

Petyr

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I'd assume from him arranging his return for pre season training that he's not desperate to leave. I think he's happy to stay, but if a club meets our valuation, he'll talk to them and could go.

Yeah, this is a possible interpretation, maybe it's better to be optimistic rather than pessimistic.
 

SpurSince57

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This is true, but if Levy has stuck a £30m (or even higher) price tag on him the final figure when all of that is taken into account will still be beyond all but a handful of clubs. Also, if what has been said of his ambitions is true, what he wants is a club that is pretty much guaranteed CL football on a regular basis, not the likes of Atleti and Fiorentina. He might as well stay with us as go to them.

I also wonder if he's quite as highly rated outside of Spurs and Bulgaria as we like to think.
 

Petyr

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This is true, but if Levy has stuck a £30m (or even higher) price tag on him the final figure when all of that is taken into account will still be beyond all but a handful of clubs. Also, if what has been said of his ambitions is true, what he wants is a club that is pretty much guaranteed CL football on a regular basis, not the likes of Atleti and Fiorentina. He might as well stay with us as go to them.

I also wonder if he's quite as highly rated outside of Spurs and Bulgaria as we like to think.

Fiorentina - absolutely impossible imo, Atleti - 0,1%. Now, Milan probably will fail to win a CL spot but they are the most successful team in the world in the last 20 or so years and there plays Kaka, so personally I don't think they won't be attractive for Berbatov. Whether and how much they are interested in him is another question. But the summer transfer window isn't open yet, we cannot say in advance whether other clubs will be interested in him. Much depends on the other transfer deals.

I think that almost all big clubs look for a quality striker. No striker at Chelsea is certain for his place, they make seek to sign 1, 2 even 3 new strikers as Drogba leaves and the other failed to impress. Man U need another striker who is experienced. Maybe they are interested in Fabiano but there may emerge problems with his owner and that crazy man Del Nido. Liverpool want to sell Crouch wich means they will look for another striker. Real's best strikers are over 30, they also seek to sign a center forward. Barca - it seems they want to get rid of all attacking players bar Messi and Bojan. They may want to sign 2-3 new attacking players/strikers. Milan have only Pato, the other are old or not good enough. Inter have only Zlatan, the other are old or not good enough. All these teams will go for strikers in the next months. Maybe Berbatov is not their prime transfer target but if they fail to sign their man they may turn to him. Therefore, it's very early to say how many clubs are seriously interested in signing the Bulgarian. It may be a looooong transfer summer.
 

davros

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This is true, but if Levy has stuck a £30m (or even higher) price tag on him the final figure when all of that is taken into account will still be beyond all but a handful of clubs. Also, if what has been said of his ambitions is true, what he wants is a club that is pretty much guaranteed CL football on a regular basis, not the likes of Atleti and Fiorentina. He might as well stay with us as go to them.

I also wonder if he's quite as highly rated outside of Spurs and Bulgaria as we like to think.
That is a good point and something that I've been wondering. I guess the very best possible way to tell is to compare him with other characters on soccer games. The best ones in the game are the highest rated. I can see no flaws with this method of determining how a player is rated outside or their club and country.
 

spurslenny

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slightly off topic for a mo, why is it that all so called pundits and media luminaries are convinced that every quality player playing for a non cl club must move to a cl club in order to fulfill/advance their career? just maybe it might be more satisfying to achieve something with a 'lesser' club (FA cup with pompey? cl qualification with spurs/villa/everton etc)
 

guiltyparty

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slightly off topic for a mo, why is it that all so called pundits and media luminaries are convinced that every quality player playing for a non cl club must move to a cl club in order to fulfill/advance their career? just maybe it might be more satisfying to achieve something with a 'lesser' club (FA cup with pompey? cl qualification with spurs/villa/everton etc)

Because no media pundits have the balls to sway from their channel's company line. When you get someone like Martin O'Neill on there, who has an original take on things and is a little bit of a wild card, they shepherd them out of the studio, never to be seen again.

I know we're often called conspiracy theorists, but the media definitely promote the Top 4 as something that should be maintained and promoted to the point that they often don't even consider other teams. The only time this is broken is for the FA Cup, which is why this year's final is great for football, but won't get anywhere near the hype or attention it would have if it was, say, Man U v Arse, despite the fact that it will almost certainly be a much better game
 

SpurSince57

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Fiorentina - absolutely impossible imo, Atleti - 0,1%. Now, Milan probably will fail to win a CL spot but they are the most successful team in the world in the last 20 or so years and there plays Kaka, so personally I don't think they won't be attractive for Berbatov. Whether and how much they are interested in him is another question. But the summer transfer window isn't open yet, we cannot say in advance whether other clubs will be interested in him. Much depends on the other transfer deals.

I think that almost all big clubs look for a quality striker. No striker at Chelsea is certain for his place, they make seek to sign 1, 2 even 3 new strikers as Drogba leaves and the other failed to impress. Man U need another striker who is experienced. Maybe they are interested in Fabiano but there may emerge problems with his owner and that crazy man Del Nido. Liverpool want to sell Crouch wich means they will look for another striker. Real's best strikers are over 30, they also seek to sign a center forward. Barca - it seems they want to get rid of all attacking players bar Messi and Bojan. They may want to sign 2-3 new attacking players/strikers. Milan have only Pato, the other are old or not good enough. Inter have only Zlatan, the other are old or not good enough. All these teams will go for strikers in the next months. Maybe Berbatov is not their prime transfer target but if they fail to sign their man they may turn to him. Therefore, it's very early to say how many clubs are seriously interested in signing the Bulgarian. It may be a looooong transfer summer.

I think you've named all the possibilities bar Arsenal and Bayern, and maybe Juve too. Milan would of course be hugely attractive, but if it is the prospect of CL football that really motivates him he's probably going to have to wait another season.
 

Petyr

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I think you've named all the possibilities bar Arsenal and Bayern, and maybe Juve too. Milan would of course be hugely attractive, but if it is the prospect of CL football that really motivates him he's probably going to have to wait another season.

Arsenal is impossible for obvious reasons, they don't have the money and even if they made an excellent offer, I doubt we would sell. Bayern are Bayern but the Bundesliga isn't what it was, it would be a step backwards for him imo. Juve are not rich enough at the moment, they cannot afford to throw £20-25m on a single player, especially if he isn't a world star. But all these clubs may sign other quality strikers and thus limit the possibilities for the mentioned clubs. E.g. Juve may sign that striker from Palermo who seems to be wanted by Milan. So they can force Milan to look for another striker and so on.
 

DC_Boy

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it's true that we can price him out of the market - but it's a high risk stategy - if Berbs stays but feels trapped will we see another slow start to his and our season

we could of course drop him but will that be useful?
 

lily_lane

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it's true that we can price him out of the market - but it's a high risk stategy - if Berbs stays but feels trapped will we see another slow start to his and our season

we could of course drop him but will that be useful?

That scenario is always a possibility, as is the continuation of having one of our main players constantly linked with other clubs, which his Agent would no doubt instigate all over again.

I wonder if Ramos & Poyet, however much they publically express the wish to keep him, would be happy to part with him and make a fresh start? I sensed some irritation over Berbs in Poyet's voice towards the end of the season during interviews. :shrug:
 

lily_lane

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Bayern are Bayern but the Bundesliga isn't what it was, it would be a step backwards for him imo.

I agree Berbs wouldn't go back to Germany, but Bayern do still seem able to attract top quality players like Toni and Ribery inspite of dropping down the scale, and with the large modern stadiums, always full cos the ticket prices are so cheap, the Bundesliga is not an unattractive place to play IMO. :up:
 

soup

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poyet has just said on SSN he's been given a deadline of July 3rd to make his mind up on whether he's staying or not. apparently all transfers 'on hold' until then....
 

lily_lane

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poyet has just said on SSN he's been given a deadline of July 3rd to make his mind up on whether he's staying or not. apparently all transfers 'on hold' until then....

Yeah, just saw that. Guess I was right about the Poyet irritation. :razz:

Though IMO SSN put a *slant* on it by saying Berbs had been "told to make his mind up by July 3rd".

All Gus said was that he'd been given his Off-season programme to follow, and hoped he'd stick to it, and come back on July 3rd. I took Gus's meaning as that's the date all the players return for duty, so surely if he's not coming back he would say before then?

Anyway, he repeated that no bids had come in.

TBH I hope it's resolved long before July 3rd. I want the players to have a settled, united pre-season and be fully prepared for our first match. Sunderland last year was so annoying.
 

Wsussexspur

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Ive just seen the poyet interview! I hope its sorted out before july the 3rd even though he didnt say that was deadline for berba he just said that's when they are back from preseason! Also hope its just ssn putting slant on things saying there will be no more signings till berbas future is sorted out! I can't belive our whole summer spending us reliant on berba going/staying! I'm also fairly confident that ramos wouldnt have come to us If he thought that we had no money to buy players unless we had to sell our best player!
 

Marty

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Ive just seen the poyet interview! I hope its sorted out before july the 3rd even though he didnt say that was deadline for berba he just said that's when they are back from preseason! Also hope its just ssn putting slant on things saying there will be no more signings till berbas future is sorted out! I can't belive our whole summer spending us reliant on berba going/staying! I'm also fairly confident that ramos wouldnt have come to us If he thought that we had no money to buy players unless we had to sell our best player!
That only refers to other strikers. Poyet said that.

If SSN have put a spin on it trying to say we aren't signing anyone unless Berba leaves they are once again just twisting words and making stuff up.
 

nicdic

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SSN have slanted it so bad. They are desperate for Berba to leave, just like most of the papers.
 
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