Berbatov's Contract

[AngerManagement]

Its time Mr Levy had the old fashion “Either your signature or your brains are going to be on the contract.” talk with Mr Berbatov and his agent

 

[lily_lane]

Its time Mr Levy had the old fashion “Either your signature or your brains are going to be on the contract.” talk with Mr Berbatov and his agent

Ha ha! Who do you think would win? :wink:

Mr Cool

vs.

Mr Bald

Maybe A&C should open a book? :razz:

 

[Kendall]

Levy is clearly one of those silent but deadly types.

He'd have berba shot before breakfast.

 

[SpurSince57]

Why are you so desperate to keep a player who seems desperate to leave the club? Could you expect from such a footballer to play to his full potential in every game? Get some perspective and show some pride. An unhappy player, especially if he is a big star, can exert a negative influence on the team.

I'm glad you said 'seems', because there is no actual evidence that he is.

 

[AngerManagement]

Ha ha! Who do you think would win? :wink:

Mr Cool

vs.

Mr Bald

Maybe A&C should open a book? :razz:

YOu know what they say about books and covers

 

[Destroyer]

I have got an exclusive preview of Berbatov's contract -

Its not worth the paper its printed on.

 

[lily_lane]

Levy is clearly one of those silent but deadly types.

He'd have berba shot before breakfast.

I wouldn't be so sure......

 

[nicdic]

Very interesting reading! But his decision to not buy out the contract may be due to a completely different reason that has nothing to do with the "cartel". Arsenal just promised him to sell him abroad (Inter/Barca) and there is no need for him to buy out the contract. Thus Arsenal will get more money and the player won't have any problems. The whole talk about buying out the contract just forces the club to ask for the real price that other clubs are ready to meet and not for a price that forces the player to stay against his will.

You're telling everyone heree that their logic is flawed because Berbatov wants to leave, but it's actually you, who has a flawed logic. It has never been said by Berbatov that he wants to leave. Not once has he said he doesn't like it at Spurs and wants a move somewhere else, so why do you believe this? Is it because of the agent? Because he is repeatedly angling for a move to get a big payday?

Berbatov will not buy out his contract.

 

[Petyr]

You're telling everyone heree that their logic is flawed because Berbatov wants to leave, but it's actually you, who has a flawed logic. It has never been said by Berbatov that he wants to leave. Not once has he said he doesn't like it at Spurs and wants a move somewhere else, so why do you believe this? Is it because of the agent? Because he is repeatedly angling for a move to get a big payday?

Berbatov will not buy out his contract.

wait wait wait, I said that my logic might be flawed. Also I said that Berbatov can buy out his contract after next season and not that he will buy out his contract. On the contrary, I wrote in the other thread that he won't buy out the contract. You can read my reasons to think so. He may sign a new contract, he may be sold, he may fail to impress the big clubs etc etc. But purely formally seen he can buy out his contract as he will have completed 3 years at the club and no rule can stop him to do it. This is for me beyound any doubt, I hate to delude myself. The contract cannot contain a clause that invalidates the Webster rule for the simple reason that it was made and signed when this rule didn't exist.

 

[mike_l]

Didn't he get a pay rise after last season, if the terms were changed does that count as a new contract then?

Why did they feel the need to introduce a stupid rule that essentially nullifies any contracts over three years, so the players on the gravy train can get a pay rise every year now?

 

[we_all_loved_freund]

Didn't he get a pay rise after last season, if the terms were changed does that count as a new contract then?

Why did they feel the need to introduce a stupid rule that essentially nullifies any contracts over three years, so the players on the gravy train can get a pay rise every year now?

it was to try and bring football in line with other proffessions throughout the EU. Basically football seemed to be its own seperate entity when it came to employment/contract law. It just did what it wanted to regardless of what EU directives/laws stated and to a large degree still does. Clause 17 FIFA's way of trying to pacify the EU into not medling with football's system. However imo football will come in for a huge shake up at some point in the near future... transfer fees just can't continue to exisit in europe with the way legislation is being written :shrug:

 

[guiltyparty]

You're telling everyone heree that their logic is flawed because Berbatov wants to leave, but it's actually you, who has a flawed logic. It has never been said by Berbatov that he wants to leave. Not once has he said he doesn't like it at Spurs and wants a move somewhere else, so why do you believe this? Is it because of the agent? Because he is repeatedly angling for a move to get a big payday?

If your agent had been misrepresenting you so badly for so long, do you not think you would have fired him by now?

I really don't understand the argument that Berbatov is blissfully happy at Spurs and his agent is underhandedly taking it on himself to disrupt matters, not acting under orders. The power is with the players, they just use their agents to get what they want and save face in front of club and supporters alike.

 

[Wsussexspur]

Ive just got off phone to my girlfriend who works at gatwick & she's just told me she saw berba there today catching plane to Barcelona! Could be completly inocent like he is going on holiday! But after what etoo said today about playing in premiership might have something in it!

 

[rez9000]

wait wait wait, I said that my logic might be flawed. Also I said that Berbatov can buy out his contract after next season and not that he will buy out his contract. On the contrary, I wrote in the other thread that he won't buy out the contract. You can read my reasons to think so. He may sign a new contract, he may be sold, he may fail to impress the big clubs etc etc. But purely formally seen he can buy out his contract as he will have completed 3 years at the club and no rule can stop him to do it. This is for me beyound any doubt, I hate to delude myself. The contract cannot contain a clause that invalidates the Webster rule for the simple reason that it was made and signed when this rule didn't exist.

I'm not sure what contract law states, but certainly in politics, new legislation cannot apply retroactively, so there is also the possibility that Berbatov can't buy out his contract at all.

nicidic's interpretation seems to have more merit. I'm pretty certain I've heard it said that extensions to contracts deem the extended contract as a fresh one. Where's Stoof? Doesn't he know about these sort of things?

 

[lily_lane]

Ive just got off phone to my girlfriend who works at gatwick & she's just told me she saw berba there today catching plane to Barcelona! Could be completly inocent like he is going on holiday! But after what etoo said today about playing in premiership might have something in it!

:think: Hmm, curiouser and curiouser....No, he's defo not going on holiday, as a) he always holidays on the Black Sea Coast with friends and family and B) He's hosting a big Charity Auction do at the Sofia Sheraton tomorrow.

If it was really him at Gatwick, he'd better conclude negotiations and leg it quick as not much time. :shrug:

 

[lily_lane]

It has never been said by Berbatov that he wants to leave. Not once has he said he doesn't like it at Spurs and wants a move somewhere else, so why do you believe this?

No, he's never said the words "I'm unhappy at Spurs", he's always stated he is happy. However what he has said clearly back home in Bulgaria is this:

"At the end of the season, I'll have talks with the management of Tottenham about my possible transfer."

Source: Max Magazine interview given mid April 08.

He also has repeatedly said he wishes to showcase his talents in the CL: "the sooner the better" - his words.

Any suggestion that his Agent is coersing him into anything against his will is, I'm afraid, arrant nonsense or wishful thinking.

 

[nicdic]

He's played in the Champions League final, and if he wanted Champions League football so much, why turn down United to join us two seasons ago?

 

[lily_lane]

He's played in the Champions League final, and if he wanted Champions League football so much, why turn down United to join us two seasons ago?

This is a circular debate nicdic, and it's been aired many times before, but when he joined us we had just missed out on CL QF having been in 4th place from December till the last day of the season.

It looked like, and he clearly thought (as he said in a recent English interview) that we would get there.

He said in the Bulgarian interview I quoted before, the experience of playing in the CL Final had "given him a taste for it", and he "wants to experience it again."

My previous post was replying to your assertion that he has never said he wants to leave Spurs, and I gave you the quotes where he has stated he will seek a transfer.

If he wasn't, why on earth would he deem it an "unfair question" when a reporter asks him if he is staying at WHL?

A player who has no intention of considering leaving a club, should a suitable offer come in for them, would just say clearly, I'm very happy here and I want to stay. Christ knows he's had ample opportunity to do so, but has always said "I'm happy to know, after all the specualtion, I'm staying at Tottenham for now".

I've read the SC ITK, and I'm willing to accept that there's a chance of him staying with us next season, but I won't presume that's because it's his heartfelt wish. I'll assume that no suitable bids came in for him in this TW.

 

[SpurSince57]

I think it's his problem rather than ours. There is a very limited number of clubs who could meet our asking price, and of those one could well miss out on CL football next season. Add in how many of those few actually want/need him, and the choice is more limited still.

 

[AngerManagement]

It seems interest in him blows hot and cold with his form (or atleast speculated interest in the press)

When he is banging in the goals and playing wonderfully everyone wants him and the asking price is not a problem (according to papers) when he has a slight slump very few clubs are willing to pay 20m (according to papers)

I think the buzz created by the press as and when he does play well has turned his agents head who in turn started to make noises which fueled the paper specualtion further and so on (self perpetuating story)

At the end of the day we paid more or less 11m for him and we are going to want more then double that (he is worth this to us in the same way Bent was worth more then his true value to Charlton)

It could well turn out that most clubs outside of Chelsea will be interested in him just not at the asking price and his options will be limited (we could still be seen as his best option)