sorry but this is a groundless suggestion
Berbatov's Contract
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sorry but this is a groundless suggestion
we_all_loved_freund
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I agree, however i'm not to sure how you know the exact construction of the contract he signed. There is a possibility is there not that on its true construction the contract may imply that both parties need to agree? As none of us have been privy to the actual contract how can we know?
we_all_loved_freund
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Is that the FIFA rule or the interpretation of the rule by CAS?
the times article was written in the context of a 5yr contract? The rule itself is obviously a better source but I'm just wondering whether it was refined by CAS?
Personally, after that discussion I'm certain that he can buy out his contract after next season which means he is almost certainly off this summer. His greedy agent will take the advantage of this situation, no doubts about it. We should take £25m and move on.
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well I'm of the opinion that we will never know unless we are certain of all of the facts concerning the extension!?!
Here is the suggestion that the cartel of big clubs do not want another Bosman screwing their balance sheets, and therefore have informally (and illegally) agreed not to play ball with any players/agents buying out the contracts of older players.
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Ronaldinho's brother and agent, Roberto Assis, has spoken about exercising the "Webster clause" whereby they can buy the player out of his own contract and move him on for free.
He even refused to rule out the possibility of moving to Barcelona's biggest rivals Real Madrid, but Graham Hunter told Revista that the Bernabeu club would not be interested.
And while he thinks it is "unlikely" that the Webster clause will be used, Hunter says these reports demonstrate the size of the rift that has grown between Ronaldinho and his club.
He said: "This clause is one that lets players have greater freedom of movement in their careers - even when they're under contract, given certain age and length of contract criteria.
"There is a concord between all big clubs not to use this in a bid to avoid 'another Bosman'. They want to stick together against the players and avoid opening Pandora's Box.
"Roberto Assis hinted on Brazilian television that they may try to break that concord and he specifically refused to rule out the idea that Ronaldinho might buy out his contract and move to Real Madrid.
"Let's dispatch the fantasy of Real Madrid being stupid enough to buy an out-of sorts, depressed, unfit Ronaldinho.
"But I think it tells you about the level of unhappiness and disharmony between the Ronaldinho camp and Barcelona that the brother should even contemplate saying that at a point of the season when Ronaldinho could still help the cause if he got fit"
http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11828_3375747,00.html
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Ronaldinho's brother and agent, Roberto Assis, has spoken about exercising the "Webster clause" whereby they can buy the player out of his own contract and move him on for free.
He even refused to rule out the possibility of moving to Barcelona's biggest rivals Real Madrid, but Graham Hunter told Revista that the Bernabeu club would not be interested.
And while he thinks it is "unlikely" that the Webster clause will be used, Hunter says these reports demonstrate the size of the rift that has grown between Ronaldinho and his club.
He said: "This clause is one that lets players have greater freedom of movement in their careers - even when they're under contract, given certain age and length of contract criteria.
"There is a concord between all big clubs not to use this in a bid to avoid 'another Bosman'. They want to stick together against the players and avoid opening Pandora's Box.
"Roberto Assis hinted on Brazilian television that they may try to break that concord and he specifically refused to rule out the idea that Ronaldinho might buy out his contract and move to Real Madrid.
"Let's dispatch the fantasy of Real Madrid being stupid enough to buy an out-of sorts, depressed, unfit Ronaldinho.
"But I think it tells you about the level of unhappiness and disharmony between the Ronaldinho camp and Barcelona that the brother should even contemplate saying that at a point of the season when Ronaldinho could still help the cause if he got fit"
http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11828_3375747,00.html
Do Inter and Arsenal belong to that cartel of big clubs? Do Spurs belong to it? Would Real miss the chance to sign Ronaldo on Webster, given that there is such a chance?
Personally, I'm not sure what to think about this informal agreement. The coming transfer windows will tell whether it is serious or just an unrealised possibility. The case with Hleb can show that it is going to be the latter.
Petyr - it is true that this window will determine whether the big clubs are so desperate to sign particular players that they allow another element of mayhem into football contracts.
However, I have no trouble believing that the G14 and a few other big clubs, like Spurs, have informally agreed not to let the "Webster clause" genie out of the bottle. Players are assets on club balance sheets, and that is crucial in these days of mega-million buyouts. If a particular player is no longer a £30 million asset on a club's books, but is in fact only worth the equivalent of 2 years salary (ie what the player would have to pay to buy out his contract), then the economics of football is fundamentally changed. And the biggest losers would be the G14 and clubs like Spurs.
So, once again, we shall see how greedy and desperate the big clubs are this summer.
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petyr listen fella
nobody forced him to sign, he signed of his own free will because at that point he wasnt a world superstar & as he said himself even he didnt know how he would fair in the prem
my point is this you say your certain he can buy out his contract so sell him for £25 mil & be done......well there in lies a problem in its self....any club would know he could buy out his remaing years so NOBODY would ever, ever, ever stump up £25 mil....
think about it fella...
i guarantee you that he will not buy out his contract & that if & i mean a big if, he is sold it will be for an enormous fee because the club have stipulated that the they will acvtivate the said clause...
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I think what he was saying was he can buy himself out next year, and that we should sell him for 25mil this year so to prevent that :shrug:
Still you make a very good point, if he was able to buy himself out next year, his fee to buy him this year would be vastly reduced as he would, in effect only have 1yr left...
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All this boils down to the main reason I asked the original question:
If he can't walk away from the club and if he won't ruin his own career, why don't we just insist that he honour his contract and then release him when it ends? Plus, if (and I acknowledge that the size of the 'if' is unknown) we do then break into the Top 4, he may well be inclined to stay.
I firmly believe that Dantchev is the one pulling the strings purely to line his own pockets. Now some of you say that that is what an agent is supposed to do, but I disagree. An agent's job is to look after his client's best interests and that doesn't always equate to which club can provide the most money.
Berbatov has been here 2 years already, he's settled in London, is an almost automatic first choice player for Spurs, and has seen evidence of the club's ambitions. Would it be in his interests to go through the upheaval of moving to a new city ('cause sure as shit shifts off a shovel he ain't going to Chelscumbastardscum), adapting to the new club's system and then breaking into the first team setup? i would honestly and objectively say 'no'.
He's already had CL football and has even got to a CL Final with Leverkusen, so it can really be argued that he wants fulfill his ambitions of playing CL football as he's already been there, done that.
I think we should prevail on him to stay and state that we have no intention of selling him and that we don't have to. We have to bear in mind that we've spent nearly three times as much on Bent and Modric than we did on Berbatov and being willing to lose out on a transfer fee would be a risk worth taking as it would enhance our chances of breaking into the big boys club.
If he can't walk away from the club and if he won't ruin his own career, why don't we just insist that he honour his contract and then release him when it ends? Plus, if (and I acknowledge that the size of the 'if' is unknown) we do then break into the Top 4, he may well be inclined to stay.
I firmly believe that Dantchev is the one pulling the strings purely to line his own pockets. Now some of you say that that is what an agent is supposed to do, but I disagree. An agent's job is to look after his client's best interests and that doesn't always equate to which club can provide the most money.
Berbatov has been here 2 years already, he's settled in London, is an almost automatic first choice player for Spurs, and has seen evidence of the club's ambitions. Would it be in his interests to go through the upheaval of moving to a new city ('cause sure as shit shifts off a shovel he ain't going to Chelscumbastardscum), adapting to the new club's system and then breaking into the first team setup? i would honestly and objectively say 'no'.
He's already had CL football and has even got to a CL Final with Leverkusen, so it can really be argued that he wants fulfill his ambitions of playing CL football as he's already been there, done that.
I think we should prevail on him to stay and state that we have no intention of selling him and that we don't have to. We have to bear in mind that we've spent nearly three times as much on Bent and Modric than we did on Berbatov and being willing to lose out on a transfer fee would be a risk worth taking as it would enhance our chances of breaking into the big boys club.
sorry, fella, your considerations are completely inconvicing to me and amount to juridical fantasies
there is a cave in your argument: the big clubs may know that Berbatov will be able to buy out his contract but no club can be certain that it will sign the player as he can choose to move to another club. Hence, if they need a top center forward now, then they have to sign him now. Of course the fact that he can buy out his contract will reflect on his price. Therefore, it's naive to expect that he can be sold for more than £20-25m. If the deal involves other players like SWP and Anelka, then the deal may reach up to £30+m.
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ok fine, if thats your opinion then so be it
i stand by my commments 100% & i will gladly come on here & say i was wrong shoould Berba buy out his contract.......which he wont so.....
well anyway we shall see
Why are you so desperate to keep a player who seems desperate to leave the club? Could you expect from such a footballer to play to his full potential in every game? Get some perspective and show some pride. An unhappy player, especially if he is a big star, can exert a negative influence on the team.
He won't buy out his contract because he will be sold in the summer or in January.
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I would have thought the answer was self-evident.
I would also suggest that if you want to enjoy your time on SC, you don't bandy suggestions like 'get some perspective' and 'have some pride' about. It doesn't make you very popular.
Furthermore, seeing as you've posted less than 30 times and a hefty proportion of that has been to state that you believe that Berbatov should and will be sold, you'll earn yourself the label of WUM pretty damn quick.
Just a spot of advice.
OK, thank you for the advice. I find this thread very useful as it's pointless to discuss Berabtov's future without having an idea about his contractual situation.
It looks like the big club cartel (see my earlier posts) are keeping it together for the moment and refusing to use the "Webster clause" to sign players. If another club wants Berba, they'll have to meet our valuation:
Alexander Hleb's agent has confirmed his client will not be buying out the remainder of his Arsenal contract.
It had been thought the Belarus international was contemplating terminating his Gunners deal under the 'Webster clause' leaving him free to join another club.
Arsenal boss Arsene Wenger responded swiftly by remarking the process would not prove straightforward and Hleb's agent Nikolai Shpilevski has now stated the 27-year-old will not be going down that route.
http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11661_3561109,00.html
Alexander Hleb's agent has confirmed his client will not be buying out the remainder of his Arsenal contract.
It had been thought the Belarus international was contemplating terminating his Gunners deal under the 'Webster clause' leaving him free to join another club.
Arsenal boss Arsene Wenger responded swiftly by remarking the process would not prove straightforward and Hleb's agent Nikolai Shpilevski has now stated the 27-year-old will not be going down that route.
http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11661_3561109,00.html
Very interesting reading! But his decision to not buy out the contract may be due to a completely different reason that has nothing to do with the "cartel". Arsenal just promised him to sell him abroad (Inter/Barca) and there is no need for him to buy out the contract. Thus Arsenal will get more money and the player won't have any problems. The whole talk about buying out the contract just forces the club to ask for the real price that other clubs are ready to meet and not for a price that forces the player to stay against his will.
