Besiktas Vs Tottenham: Match Thread

[CheeseGromit]

Why not?

We had already qualified... We could have gone Coulithirst or Azzaoui, the point of the manager is to use what he has available to his best disposal...

Not pick the poorest formation possible then fit the worst possible players in entirely the wrong positions...


Some times that is all it takes, is to put a little natural balance in the side.



I think the last few years have been enough.

Each to his own opinion.

But you were annoyed that we lost and the way we lost Would that one change and playing a different formation with the same players have made you happy if we had still lost by the same score ?

I dont think that 4-4-2 will cut it especially in Europe. We have as a club fallen short before over this. Thats not saying 4-2-3-1 is working at present but then thats what I started talking about " Change" Abandoning it at this stage will just make matters worse in my opinion for the overall team. Sure it is possible, and I stress possible, get some difference in the short term but it does not help the longer term objective to chop and change.

We agree it is a frustrating time

 

[spursfan77]

I agree.
The league games are more important
We played poorly tonight and I am annoyed but there has to be a perspective. Sure things have to improve.
The team was changed around to try some things that didnt work ( who now wants Chadli to play up front on his own) Tonight nobody took the game by the scruff of the neck which Townsend could have done.
Glad Kaboul made the mistake in this game and not a prem league game

But bar qpr and 60 minutes against Everton we've been poor in every other game.

It's very worrying.

 

[prawnsandwich]

Sorry disagree, pay what the clubs want for their players and get the deals done. What's the point of trying to haggle and paying 15mil for Dembele, 9mil for Capoue and 17mil for Paulinho when you could have brought Moutinho or Pjanic for 30-35mil. 5-10mil less than the other 3 put together and wages on top for that matter, just to replace Modders. In the long run it has cost us more than

We spent £30 mill on Lamela. Spending big is not necessarily the answer.

 

[TheGreenLily]

I think

Each to his own opinion.

But you were annoyed that we lost and the way we lost Would that one change and playing a different formation with the same players have made you happy if we had still lost by the same score ?

I dont think that 4-4-2 will cut it especially in Europe. We have as a club fallen short before over this. Thats not saying 4-2-3-1 is working at present but then thats what I started talking about " Change" Abandoning it at this stage will just make matters worse in my opinion for the overall team. Sure it is possible, and I stress possible, get some difference in the short term but it does not help the longer term objective to chop and change.

We agree it is a frustrating time

I don't give a crap if we lose... as I have said before a thousand times... its how we lose and from the start the formation stifled us. Us we had what, 1 - 2 chances against a team with both first team strikers out injured...

I don't think abandoning 4-2-3-1 will make matters worse, we simply do not have the players for it, we can move to a 4-3-3, we have the players for that formation... Like I said, go for 4-2-3-1 if we have the players for it...

But the committee chose 4-2-3-1, so 4-2-3-1 it will be.

 

[SpurSince57]

I think


I don't give a crap if we lose... as I have said before a thousand times... its how we lose and from the start the formation stifled us. Us we had what, 1 - 2 chances against a team with both first team strikers out injured...

I don't think abandoning 4-2-3-1 will make matters worse, we simply do not have the players for it, we can move to a 4-3-3, we have the players for that formation... Like I said, go for 4-2-3-1 if we have the players for it...

But the committee chose 4-2-3-1, so 4-2-3-1 it will be.

Do you really think this is the so-called committee's choice?

 

[TheGreenLily]

Bang on. Why do people keep sugar-coating the situation? We've got a horrid horrid squad which is getting worse, performances have generally been dire. I actually believe the fans who keep defending the indefensible are more of a problem than the critics who get so much stick. I think they need to recognise quite how bad the situation is and start challenging those in charge to put it right, because this is utterly unacceptable.

We don't have a horrid horrid squad....

We are trying to use a horrid horrid formation that we do not have a single player suited to play it and persisting with that same formation over and over again, despite us looking horrid and demoralising the hell out of everyone.

 

[Chris12]

Not much too wrong with the squad. Few players need to be sold and other areas built up, but to say it's a horrible squad I think is wrong.

A man with no qualifications got this squad to 6th place last year, that's got to show how good our squad is. This manager even accepted that squad was very good, he could've not mentioned it at all. It's his coaching that's the problem and his tactics. Just need to adjust them or different coaching method.

 

[TheGreenLily]

Do you really think this is the so-called committee's choice?

They picked pooch to play a 4-2-3-1 formation, IMO, it is why he got the job, but then the committe went out and got players more suited to any formation other than 4-2-3-1...

Why did AVB never play his famed 4-3-3, despite having a squad more suited to that formation?

Why did TS, play 4-2-3-1?

I think the club decided to play 4-2-3-1, got Pooch in as the coach to teach the players to play 4-2-3-1 and that ain't never going to happen.

 

[iluvsteffenfreund]

Good players deal with it and accommodate... This also doesn't stop them from competing with there opponent, it also doesn't mean our CFWD can't convert more than 1 in 12 chances, it doesn't mean we should make basic errors each game that costs us Everytime. It's also doesn't stop us from having a leader on the pitch. All examples that our squad is bereft of quality, not a pathetic excuse over formation.

 

[Breezer]

They picked pooch to play a 4-2-3-1 formation, IMO, it is why he got the job, but then the committe went out and got players more suited to any formation other than 4-2-3-1...

Why did AVB never play his famed 4-3-3, despite having a squad more suited to that formation?

Why did TS, play 4-2-3-1?

I think the club decided to play 4-2-3-1, got Pooch in as the coach to teach the players to play 4-2-3-1 and that ain't never going to happen.

Are you crazy??? His very first game he went 4-4-2 with Lennon and Townsend. We still lost to West Ham in the cup!

 

[TheGreenLily]

Are you crazy??? His very first game he went 4-4-2 with Lennon and Townsend. We still lost to West Ham in the cup!

Oh right.... so siggy and ... cant remember now made the perfect centre pairing ever... Had nothing to do with it....

 

[DAZZA1978]

We spent £30 mill on Lamela. Spending big is not necessarily the answer.

Lamela even though cost a lot granted was still a gamble though due to his age and never playing in the PL. Saldado was the only signing we brought that was in his prime and should have been a guarantee but like you say it don't always turn out right but does more % of the time by buying quality prime players?

 

[TheChosenOne]

You can drill and train all you like but if your players constantly make laughable schoolboy errors in trapping or passing a ball then all is undone.

Most of the goals against us are self inflicted and embarrassing.

 

[SpurSince57]

They picked pooch to play a 4-2-3-1 formation, IMO, it is why he got the job, but then the committe went out and got players more suited to any formation other than 4-2-3-1...

Why did AVB never play his famed 4-3-3, despite having a squad more suited to that formation?

Why did TS, play 4-2-3-1?

I think the club decided to play 4-2-3-1, got Pooch in as the coach to teach the players to play 4-2-3-1 and that ain't never going to happen.

He did? I could have sworn he played Poor Blobby (Sorry! Poor Bobby!) and Ade together, and then Ade and Kane. But I could be wrong!

 

[Breezer]

Oh right.... so siggy and ... cant remember now made the perfect centre pairing ever... Had nothing to do with it....

No they didn't, but we're not talking about team selection. You said Tim played 4-2-3-1. And i'm saying you must have been watching a different Tottenham. This is a manager who doesn't believe in any defensive mids!

 

[Sweetsman]

Just came in from a night out and I see people are going ape over nothing. Given that this team hasn't played that much together, I thought we played some nice stuff. We were vulnerable at the back, but that was because our fullbacks were bombing forward. However, the two guys hadn't played for a while and I don't blame them for that. Having seen the pitch, I just wanted us to come away without any major injuries. I was impressed with Stambouli, Townsend and Dembele; Dembele's performance makes his usual contributions even more frustrating.

 

[TheGreenLily]

Good players deal with it and accommodate... This also doesn't stop them from competing with there opponent, it also doesn't mean our CFWD can't convert more than 1 in 12 chances, it doesn't mean we should make basic errors each game that costs us Everytime. It's also doesn't stop us from having a leader on the pitch. All examples that our squad is bereft of quality, not a pathetic excuse over formation.

yeah of course not.... You just know everything...

It doesn't matter that time after time after time the players who are supposed to be providing width can't because they keep having to cut in, get no crosses in from the wide areas, unless they piss about for half an hour cutting the ball back to shift it onto a foot they can pass with... like Townsend today got to the line and couldn't whip a cross in as he is naturally left footed, so ran all the way back to the edge of the box and lost the ball...

But arn't you punching yourself in the face saying "All examples that our squad is bereft of quality, not a pathetic excuse over formation"...

Would a squad bereft of quality struggle even more in a formation that suits none of them.... Oh wise one of all footballing knowledge...

 

[Ghost Hardware]

We are now in a situation were we could quite easily sell off at least half the squad and nobody would be missed. Often I hear pundits hail our vast, talented squad but in actual fact having a big squad has done nothing for us. I think that's partly down to the poor use of squad rotation but primarily because the wrong players were bought and too much money was flippantly spent. We have spent huge amounts on numerous players but realistically who was the last great outfield first team buy? Eriksen looks to have potential and I would say the same for Lamela but both are young and could go ether way. Jan is a very good defender but he is no superstar, realistically we are looking at the likes of Modric, Bale, VDV with VDV and Moders being the more established players at the time of purchase. That is absolutely shocking when you think about the amount of money spent and the number of players brought in since then. But the fact of the matter is our problem is not down to any one player but the team set up itself. We should have bought 2 maybe three players max with the Bale money not 8. Spend the same amount but on fewer high quality players and use the youth squad to pack out the team were necessary. Now, according to ITK this is the plan going forward but in reality who on earth is going to spend anything on the players we have and who in their right mind would want to come to us... At least nobody of real quality. When we sold Bale, even though we had just lost our best player we were still in a vey attractive position, we had just had a good campaign and players could see we wanted to push for the top. Now we are struggling against bad teams and realistically sitting mid table is a little flattering. All of this means that we have to continue how we started, looking for overlooked or young talent and hope they turn into superstars as Levy will never fork out the required wages for us to compete for a truly special player (even if we somehow found a deluded enough player to join our merry gang). It can be done, but with our scouting network I'm just not so sure.

 

[Breezer]

Just came in from a night out and I see people are going ape over nothing. Given that this team hasn't played that much together, I thought we played some nice stuff. We were vulnerable at the back, but that was because our fullbacks were bombing forward. However, the two guys hadn't played for a while and I don't blame them for that. Having seen the pitch, I just wanted us to come away without any major injuries. I was impressed with Stambouli, Townsend and Dembele; Dembele's performance makes his usual contributions even more frustrating.

You was impressed with Townsend? I've heard enough! Goodnight....

 

[TheGreenLily]

No they didn't, but we're not talking about team selection. You said Tim played 4-2-3-1. And i'm saying you must have been watching a different Tottenham. This is a manager who doesn't believe in any defensive mids!

that was one game....

I remember Ade playing as a lone strike on many occasions.... So wit wasn't a bloody 4-4-2 all the time...

Give me strength....