Cain Hoy say 'No'.

[Lilbaz]

You're not bad if I'm honest but there are some really funny posts by a lot of others.

Oh and that @Bus-Conductor post to slap down Mullers was pure sex

Best compliment since the wife left

 

[Rupstoh]

You're not bad if I'm honest but there are some really funny posts by a lot of others.

Oh and that @Bus-Conductor post to slap down Mullers was pure sex

Another Bobbins post with a Jeremy Kyle particiPANT'S answer with no concise response with any value.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/fo...eover-bid-from-American-company-Cain-Hoy.html

THEY ARE ON THEIR WAY. KBBO, Cain Hoy and Guggenhneim. No smoke etc

 

[Hoddle&Waddle]

I don't think all american are as bad as Glazer. John W Henry has done a great job for Liverpool, as well as those American owners in Roma.

They dont really do anything different to ENIC though, they just happened to to hire good managers.

 

[Zoob32]

But have they won trophies or sacked coaches?

Yes and no, they took over within the last two years and won their division and they got to the national league championship series last year but lost in 6 games. The NLCS is kind of like the champions league semi finals. It's the championship game for the national league, with the winner going to the world series. So they won their division (5 teams) and got 2nd in their league (15 teams)

 

[Rupstoh]

They dont really do anything different to ENIC though, they just happened to to hire good managers.

Sorry. They buy projects for value; Arab, Yank and German development for property gain.

ENIC cannot cope with this and Joe Lewis would be daft to NOT let it happen.

This group seem to be intent in investment and THFC is perfect for all of them.

 

[Hoddle&Waddle]

Sorry. They buy projects for value; Arab, Yank and German development for property gain.

ENIC cannot cope with this and Joe Lewis would be daft to NOT let it happen.

This group seem to be intent in investment and THFC is perfect for all of them.

Eh? I was talking about Fenway and how they have run Liverpool so far. I haven't got a clue what you're going on about.

 

[davidmatzdorf]

So many posts, so little knowledge.

I can't count the number of one or two line posts confidently [arrogantly] asserting what people 'feel' or 'know', based on a total absence of information, a surfeit of cynicism and a wrong-headed application of football principles to finance and investment.

It's the most ignorant collective contribution I've ever seen on SC - and that's a major achievement.

I'm emphatically not going to tell everyone what I 'know' or 'feel' is going to happen, because it's as uncertain to me as it ought to be to everyone else. I am going to continue to try to read the runes and indications and use some logic to work out what the motivations of the players might be, as opposed to the ludicrously simplistic versions of ENIC's intentions that litter this thread.

The initial story was incompetent nonsense. It implied a hostile takeover, which is an impossibility, and repeatedly confused THFC with a listed company, which it isn't. It took a scrap of tittle-tattle and built a whole edifice of mythical imminent dealings around it.

Back in the real world, if someone is daft enough to offer ENIC a multiple of the current value of the club, then they would be foolish not to sell, because buying, adding value and then selling at the opportune moment is what they do. But no one is likely to make such an offer, certainly not canny financiers of the kind whom ENIC has been approaching to fund the NDP (which includes Cain Hoy).

If no one offers them idiot-money, then it would be against ENIC's business model to sell, because they have a pending project that would add a huge amount of value to the asset. There's no profit in abandoning a project before it adds value to your asset. You have to add the value first and then sell promptly.

That's what I meant by 'use some logic to work out what the motivations of the players might be'. Use your fucking heads, people! Preferably before you post.

 

[TottenhamMattSpur]

This thread is funny, so many people talking in terms they don't actually understand

Which is brilliantly put considering your username!

 

[THFCSPURS19]

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/tottenham-sale-cain-hoy-approach-4212083

Tottenham sale: Cain Hoy approach "very serious" as experienced investors eye bid

The American investment firm are eyeing a move for the Premier League side and are said to be optimistic a deal can be reached

Spurs are set to be the subject of a sensational cash takeover by an American investment firm.

It comes just days after Mirror Sport exclusively revealed that Tottenham owner Joe Lewis is ready to sell and that the asking price has been set at £1billion.

Cain Hoy, owned by a group of wealthy US businessmen, have confirmed they are seriously considering a move and have until October 10 at 5pm to confirm a formal bid.

A source told Mirror Sport on Friday: “This is a very serious approach from experienced investors with several billions behind them.”

Cain Hoy Enterprises was launched on Thursday and focuses on global real estate, retail, media and entertainment.

Head of the company’s European investments is London-born Jonathan Goldstein, a Spurs fan and season ticket holder.

A statement said: “Cain Hoy confirms that it is at the preliminary stages of assessing a cash offer for Tottenham Hotspur.”

Chief executive of the firm is US-based Henry Silverman, a self-made hotels and car-rental multi-millionaire.

Spurs - who claimed on Thursday not to be in talks over a takeover - have admitted speaking to Cain Hoy but insisted it was part of “discussions with multiple providers of finance” for their new £400million stadium project.

The north Londoners added: “There are no ongoing discussions with Cain Hoy.”

Cain Hoy, however, are optimistic a deal can be reached.

 

[Lilbaz]

So many posts, so little knowledge.

I can't count the number of one or two line posts confidently [arrogantly] asserting what people 'feel' or 'know', based on a total absence of information, a surfeit of cynicism and a wrong-headed application of football principles to finance and investment.

It's the most ignorant collective contribution I've ever seen on SC - and that's a major achievement.

I'm emphatically not going to tell everyone what I 'know' or 'feel' is going to happen, because it's as uncertain to me as it ought to be to everyone else. I am going to continue to try to read the runes and indications and use some logic to work out what the motivations of the players might be, as opposed to the ludicrously simplistic versions of ENIC's intentions that litter this thread.

The initial story was incompetent nonsense. It implied a hostile takeover, which is an impossibility, and repeatedly confused THFC with a listed company, which it isn't. It took a scrap of tittle-tattle and built a whole edifice of mythical imminent dealings around it.

Back in the real world, if someone is daft enough to offer ENIC a multiple of the current value of the club, then they would be foolish not to sell, because buying, adding value and then selling at the opportune moment is what they do. But no one is likely to make such an offer, certainly not canny financiers of the kind whom ENIC has been approaching to fund the NDP (which includes Cain Hoy).

If no one offers them idiot-money, then it would be against ENIC's business model to sell, because they have a pending project that would add a huge amount of value to the asset. There's no profit in abandoning a project before it adds value to your asset. You have to add the value first and then sell promptly.

That's what I meant by 'use some logic to work out what the motivations of the players might be'. Use your fucking heads, people! Preferably before you post.

Please don't put a spoiler on this. It's our chance to get carried away and believe someones going to come in and buy everyone making us the greatest team the world has ever seen. With a million capacity stadium, that has lap dancers at half time.

Don't take it away from us.

 

[Archibald&Crooks]

This thread is funny, so many people talking in terms they don't actually understand

I can guarantee that those to whom you refer will read this, shake their hands and say to themselves "He don't mean me"

I mean….I did

 

[Spurger King]

Please don't put a spoiler on this. It's our chance to get carried away and believe someones going to come in and buy everyone making us the greatest team the world has ever seen. With a million capacity stadium, that has lap dancers at half time.

Don't take it away from us.

I'm already booked in for my full-body 'Spurs: 2016-17 Champions League winners' tattoo. The trophy will be on my forehead.

 

[davidmatzdorf]

Please don't put a spoiler on this. It's our chance to get carried away and believe someones going to come in and buy everyone making us the greatest team the world has ever seen. With a million capacity stadium, that has lap dancers at half time.

Don't take it away from us.

I expect you're being sarcastic, but that really isn't the tone of the thread. It's mainly paranoia and ill-informed fear. That and an opportunity for people to air their thoughtless cynicism about ENIC and their total lack of understanding about how development, investment and asset-management work. I'm no expert on high finance, but I work alongside them and often for them, so I get to see how their minds work, plus I was the hands-on working treasurer of a non-profit for 20 years.

The snap-judgments that are all over SC today just aren't realistic versions of how these people operate. It's like a pinhead's view of finance, writ large and writ repeatedly.

 

[Bus-Conductor]

No.
Levy expected Jol to get champions league football on a shoestring budget with Carrick and Jenas in midfield.
So if Levy doesn't appreciate that our ability to compete financially has some bearing, why the hell should I?

It's not entirely his fault, coaches, players take the responsibility too. Levy appoints the coach thus takes blame as well as credit.

Then either he should get the hell out or stop placing unrealistic expectations on coaches

I am measuring Levy by his own standards which he sets out for coaches, he expected to Jol to get 4th on a shoestring budget after he had taken us from 9th to 5th which was our best finish in the premiership.
For Jol there wasn't any sob story/excuses, it was a text at half time from his nephew telling him he doesn't have a job any more.

Jol wasn't sitting 5th when he was sacked though, he was 18th I think at the time having had three and a half years in the job.

 

[Rupstoh]

But no one is likely to make such an offer, certainly not canny financiers of the kind whom ENIC has been approaching to fund the NDP (which includes Cain Hoy).

TRUE AS YOU HAVE STATED.

For those who know: Bin Butti Investments

 

[THFCSPURS19]

I expect you're being sarcastic, but that really isn't the tone of the thread. It's mainly paranoia and ill-informed fear. That and an opportunity for people to air their thoughtless cynicism about ENIC and their total lack of understanding about how development, investment and asset-management work. I'm no expert on high finance, but I work alongside them and often for them, so I get to see how their minds work, plus I was the hands-on working treasurer of a non-profit for 20 years.

The snap-judgments that are all over SC today just aren't realistic versions of how these people operate. It's like a pinhead's view of finance, writ large and writ repeatedly.

Sarcastic? No one's being sarcastic.

I've already starting singing "we're going to we the league" at home.

 

[LexingtonSpurs]

I wonder if Levy has been Levy'd

I can see a scenario where Levy meets with Cain Hoy to discuss financing options for the new stadium and development - in the course of those discussions, Cain Hoy gets a better understanding of the costs and benefits of the new stadium and surrounding development. That allows them to factor in those financial commitments/benefits into their decision to purchase Spurs, including the stadium development.

So now Cain Hoy comes back and offers £X, knowing a little more about the entire operation than the typical purchaser could coming in a little blind.

 

[radkovic]

Do we already know if this Jonathan Goldstein chap is a member of BSoDL?

 

[parklane1]

How many times does it have to be said that if it wasn't for those two receiving free power-ups, we'd have been a top 4 fixture for years along with United, Arsenal and Liverpool?

They won the lottery, and there's nothing we could've or can do about it.

Now you know as well as i do that has absolutely nothing to do with it whatsoever ( for some at least)

 

[Staves49]

Whose our ITK for this sortof thing? Do we even have one? Iirc Atlantayid has financial connections right? Maybe Trix?