Ched Evans Jailed...

[Shanks]

The term is not proven mate. Not 'proven not to be'

Something bad happened in that hotel room. Why would he lie at EVERY stage and sleaze out the fire exit?

I suspect that was more to do with being caught cheating than anything else.

As far as his thoughts were, he was doing no wrong, other than cheating on his girlfriend

 

[Mustard]

Please tell me why he hasn't been arrested on a charge of perjury? I find that amazing if he's done what you say.

His lies in the rape sense cannot be proved either way.

The girl in the case admits to not remember anything but his case fell apart the first time because of his story and inaccuracies.

He can't be charged on perjury I guess because double jeopardy only applies to murder cases in England.

 

[Dinghy]

His lies in the rape sense cannot be proved either way.

The girl in the case admits to not remember anything but his case fell apart the first time because of his story and inaccuracies.

He can't be charged on perjury I guess because double jeopardy only applies to murder cases in England.

Has he been charged with perjury then?

If not, then double jeopardy isn't a concern.

 

[WalkerboyUK]

Please tell me why he hasn't been arrested on a charge of perjury? I find that amazing if he's done what you say.

His lies in the rape sense cannot be proved either way.

The girl in the case admits to not remember anything but his case fell apart the first time because of his story and inaccuracies.

He can't be charged on perjury I guess because double jeopardy only applies to murder cases in England.

I thought Double Jeopardy was just a US thing...

 

[dontcallme]

Hopefully this will be my last post on the issue though I have a habit of letting myself get dragged back into discussions.

When I was travelling from time to time I would get to a party island and spend some time there. Lots of drink, sun and sex and for the most part it was great.

In the evenings bunch of people who didn't know each other would go out and many knew there was a good chance of getting laid. Generally people would go out, have some drinks and have a laugh. Through normal tactics of attracting someone such as having a laugh and just being fun to be around there was quite a lot of sex going on.

But then there were those guys who would target girls who were clearly very drunk. They'd come onto them, get turned back then after another drink or two would try again. We all know alcohol lowers inhibitions but there's a difference between having a drunken laugh and being predatory.

It was really uncomfortable to be around and these guys really ruined the atmosphere. They weren't hoping for a girl to feel attracted to them, they were simply targeting sex.

For me I am not really bothered about Evans cheating. What he did that evening was extremely predatory and nasty. So I don't really care if his career is ruined. His actions, not the girls, is what got him into trouble.

 

[UpTownSpur]

You really are a fucking idiot.

That might be the first post you've ever made which wasn't boring and forgettable. Well done!

I'd get a Watch it! And a ban for saying that.

 

[Archibald&Crooks]

That might be the first post you've ever made which wasn't boring and forgettable. Well done!

I'd get a Watch it! And a ban for saying that.

You had three warnings before you got a ban at all so that's a fucking lie isn't it? Perhaps if you concentrated more on letting the message sink in and less on the woe is me bullshit, you might have avoided even the bans. I have absolutely no idea why you'd even say that, it makes it look like you're being picked on when you really aren't.

Jesus christ the chip on the shoulder bollocks twisting of facts we sometimes get is actually nauseating.

 

[TheHoddleWaddle]

You had three warnings before you got a ban at all so that's a fucking lie isn't it? Perhaps if you concentrated more on letting the message sink in and less on the woe is me bullshit, you might have avoided even the bans. I have absolutely no idea why you'd even say that, it makes it look like you're being picked on when you really aren't.

Jesus christ the chip on the shoulder bollocks twisting of facts we sometimes get is actually nauseating.

Watch it.

 

[idontgetit]

IMO Evans is completely innocent of rape, McDonald is the one that should be looked at. Evans wouldn't have realised how drunk the girl was nor expected his mate a prem footballer to be picking up fuck-wasted chicks. Cheating on your girlfriend or looking for threesome's isn't an offence. It's extremely extremely ****ish but it's not something that deserves five years in jail. The whole case should center around the moment where Mcdonald and the girl met before getting in the taxi, not around the hotel room.

 

[UpTownSpur]

You had three warnings before you got a ban at all so that's a fucking lie isn't it? Perhaps if you concentrated more on letting the message sink in and less on the woe is me bullshit, you might have avoided even the bans. I have absolutely no idea why you'd even say that, it makes it look like you're being picked on when you really aren't.

Jesus christ the chip on the shoulder bollocks twisting of facts we sometimes get is actually nauseating.

I never said moderators picked on me. I got warned on using bad language, apologised and never used it again. I reacted very strongly to someone who was provoking me and got a ban for that, which I accepted and never did again. I resorted to retaliatory ratings to a poster I felt was using the ratings to harass me and I earnt a ban for that and now just accept there's a particular poster that will always use ratings to pester me and no longer react to it or even mention it.

My response to FMA was intended to be humourous and diffuse the situation, rather than responding in a way that led to an argument.

 

[Amo]

IMO Evans is completely innocent of rape, McDonald is the one that should be looked at. Evans wouldn't have realised how drunk the girl was nor expected his mate a prem footballer to be picking up fuck-wasted chicks. Cheating on your girlfriend or looking for threesome's isn't an offence. It's extremely extremely ****ish but it's not something that deserves five years in jail. The whole case should center around the moment where Mcdonald and the girl met before getting in the taxi, not around the hotel room.

You're saying the onus shouldn't be on men to check whether or not another person is capable of consenting or not, yet you're also saying that if they are aware that the woman is incapable of consent then they are committing rape.

How on earth do you square those two views up? How is it not our responsibility to check whether or not another person is lucid before engaging in sexual acts with them?

If you ask a smashed-drunk person for their wallet and they give it to you then it's your responsibility to know they're not in the right state of mind to be giving away their wallet with all their cash.

 

[Archibald&Crooks]

I never said moderators picked on me. I got warned on using bad language, apologised and never used it again. I reacted very strongly to someone who was provoking me and got a ban for that, which I accepted and never did again. I resorted to retaliatory ratings to a poster I felt was using the ratings to harass me and I earnt a ban for that and now just accept there's a particular poster that will always use ratings to pester me and no longer react to it or even mention it.

My response to FMA was intended to be humourous and diffuse the situation, rather than responding in a way that led to an argument.

OK perhaps I misunderstood, if so then i'm sorry but it never came across like you say. But if I didn't............

PS: Way to diffuse a situation

 

[UpTownSpur]

OK perhaps I misunderstood, if so then i'm sorry but it never came across like you say. But if I didn't............

PS: Way to diffuse a situation

I probably should have said to him, "you can get a ban for saying something like that". There's a level that when people cross you know they're gonna disappear for a week or more, but he was obviously under that level and what he said didn't offend me.

 

[Xeeleeyid]

The 'not guilty' claim is just the way the English judicial system works. If it was in Scotland it would be 'not proven'. Money got him off pure and simple.

Personally I think he is scum.

Money had nothing to do with it, the evidence just wasn't strong enough. I'm surprised he even got convicted the first time.

Scotland is a different legal system. Based on different principles in a lot of ways.

 

[chaching]

Money had nothing to do with it, the evidence just wasn't strong enough. I'm surprised he even got convicted the first time.

Scotland is a different legal system. Based on different principles in a lot of ways.

Money was offered for witnesses to come forward which then led to the retrial.

 

[WalkerboyUK]

Money was offered for witnesses to come forward which then led to the retrial.

But that didn't result in the quashed original sentence/conviction.
It may have swayed things a little more in his favour for the 2nd trial, but a judge threw out the initial ruling before any of this "money for information" stuff appeared.

 

[chaching]

But that didn't result in the quashed original sentence/conviction.
It may have swayed things a little more in his favour for the 2nd trial, but a judge threw out the initial ruling before any of this "money for information" stuff appeared.

The sentence was quashed due to new evidence and that was the only new evidence.

 

[tototoner]

Can't wait for this shit to die down and this thread to get lost. Makes me feel very uncomfortable about the morality of some people on here. We all have our opinions either way, and of course our suspicions, but the way some people are going on it's like Evans is a fucking saint. Whatever way you look at it he's still a liar and a cheater. He's a dickhead who bit off more than he could chew. Whether there was consent or not doesn't change that fact. Don't have time for cheaters. Just hope there really wasn't anything untowards happening on top of it.

Should cheaters be banged up for 2 1/2 years ?

 

[Syn_13]

Should cheaters be banged up for 2 1/2 years ?

Not what I'm saying. What's done is done. If he's truly innocent of the rape charge then it sucks for him that he's done time incorrectly. It's shit but that's life sometimes. Isn't the first and certainly won't be the last. Still a chance that he's a rapist who got away with a "not guilty" verdict due to lack of hard evidence, we just don't know.

I'l stand by what I said in that I have no time for cheaters, I've seen how that kind of selfishness destroys families and fucks people up in the long term. I have no sympathy for him. He's still made a dick move, even if it doesn't warrant that kind of jail time (providing he is innocent). He's incredibly lucky his other half still sticks by him, she's clearly very forgiving, or more of a mug, if you look at it another way.

 

[Dinghy]

Not what I'm saying. What's done is done. If he's truly innocent of the rape charge then it sucks for him that he's done time incorrectly. It's shit but that's life sometimes. Isn't the first and certainly won't be the last. Still a chance that he's a rapist who got away with a "not guilty" verdict due to lack of hard evidence, we just don't know.

I'l stand by what I said in that I have no time for cheaters, I've seen how that kind of selfishness destroys families and fucks people up in the long term. I have no sympathy for him. He's still made a dick move, even if it doesn't warrant that kind of jail time (providing he is innocent). He's incredibly lucky his other half still sticks by him, she's clearly very forgiving, or more of a mug, if you look at it another way.

Let's turn years of jurisprudence on its head shall we...

"Avoid legal punishments as far as possible, and if there are any doubts in the case then use them, for it is better for a judge to err towards leniency than towards punishment" - Muhammad

"...one would much rather that twenty guilty persons should escape the punishment of death, than that one innocent person should be condemned and suffer capitally." - Sir John Fortescue

"It is better that ten guilty persons escape than that one innocent suffer" - William Blackstone

"...it is better 100 guilty Persons should escape than that one innocent Person should suffer" - Benjamin Franklin

"It is more important that innocence should be protected, than it is, that guilt be punished" - John Adams