Dawson - Joins Hull

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Certainly not a ringing endorsement from Poch in the post match press conference. Asked about Dawson on the tour Poch said the tour was to look at players and we will see the final conclusions over the next few weeks. Compare that to when asked about Lamela when he said he would have a big part to play this season. Ouch!

 

[SpurSince57]

Certainly not a ringing endorsement from Poch in the post match press conference. Asked about Dawson on the tour Poch said the tour was to look at players and we will see the final conclusions over the next few weeks. Compare that to when asked about Lamela when he said he would have a big part to play this season. Ouch!

Last night's game was the only one I've bothered to watch, and I gave up at half-time. Dawson appeared to be badly out of sorts, whilst Lamela's actually starting to look like the player we thought we'd signed. However, if we take pre-season games as an accurate indicator of team and individual form we're going to be in for a nasty shock.

 

[Barry Mead]

Rose is our only quick defender at the moment (until Walker is fully fit) and he is likely to leave.

I don't really think you can describe Rose as a defender though, come to that I don't think you can describe Walker as one either. Our biggest problem at CB for me is that we haven't had a full back with any kind of a scooby how to defend for a long time. Hopefully Davies proves a step in the right direction

 

[ItsBoris]

You don't need quick defenders to play a high line, you need smart ones.

 

[Barry Mead]

Certainly not a ringing endorsement from Poch in the post match press conference. Asked about Dawson on the tour Poch said the tour was to look at players and we will see the final conclusions over the next few weeks. Compare that to when asked about Lamela when he said he would have a big part to play this season. Ouch!

Well it was important to make Lamela feel he is an important part of the team, particularly after last season, so it's fair enough singling him out for praise. Not a good thing generally though to start focussing on individuals, particularly at this stage of the pre season and with the constant changeover of players
I don't think you can read anything positive or negative into that response

 

[diamond lights]

Last night's game was the only one I've bothered to watch, and I gave up at half-time. Dawson appeared to be badly out of sorts, whilst Lamela's actually starting to look like the player we thought we'd signed. However, if we take pre-season games as an accurate indicator of team and individual form we're going to be in for a nasty shock.

I agree

Last night's game was the only one I've bothered to watch, and I gave up at half-time. Dawson appeared to be badly out of sorts, whilst Lamela's actually starting to look like the player we thought we'd signed. However, if we take pre-season games as an accurate indicator of team and individual form we're going to be in for a nasty shock.

absolutely agree but quite clear to me in what the manager said or didn't say what his plans are.

 

[Spurs Lodge Kittens]

I wonder if Poch flogged Dawson for the whole 90 minutes as he didn't want to use Kaboul and risk an injury to a player he wants around. Whereas Dawson will be off once we get back so it didn't matter so much what happened to him??

That's what I like to think anyway.

 

[Barry Mead]

I wonder if Poch flogged Dawson for the whole 90 minutes as he didn't want to use Kaboul and risk an injury to a player he wants around. Whereas Dawson will be off once we get back so it didn't matter so much what happened to him??

That's what I like to think anyway.

As I said in the daily thread that's pretty unlikely. If they want to sell Daws there's just as much risk he could pick up an injury then couldn't be sold and Kaboul needs the pre season games after missing so much playing time
It's actually a bit of a concern that he didn't play, maybe he's still struggling a bit and can't manage games in quick succession

 

[Mr Pink]

As I said in the daily thread that's pretty unlikely. If they want to sell Daws there's just as much risk he could pick up an injury then couldn't be sold and Kaboul needs the pre season games after missing so much playing time
It's actually a bit of a concern that he didn't play, maybe he's still struggling a bit and can't manage games in quick succession

This is what the problem will be, rather than some silly spat with Poch some are going on about.

This is a massive problem at the moment for us though and we won't to advertise the fact that Kaboul is struggling as it weakens our bargaining position even further in our pursuit for another CB.

Its starting to feel pretty desperate this.

 

[Saul]

This is what the problem will be, rather than some silly spat with Poch some are going on about.

This is a massive problem at the moment for us though and we won't to advertise the fact that Kaboul is struggling as it weakens our bargaining position even further in our pursuit for another CB.

Its starting to feel pretty desperate this.

Why,it is precisely the same as last season. Dawson is'nt good enough, Kaboul is injury prone, Vlad is unproven and Verts is our only decent CB. We should have bought an extra CB last year, but everyone was obsessed with attackers.

 

[Barry Mead]

Why,it is precisely the same as last season. Dawson is'nt good enough, Kaboul is injury prone, Vlad is unproven and Verts is our only decent CB. We should have bought an extra CB last year, but everyone was obsessed with attackers.

To be fair I don't think everyone was obsessed with attackers, but bar Bale our attacking threat was poor that season both in goals and creativity and Bale was off. so attackers were important.
However for all that everyone was expecting a left back and that never happened and I think at CB the medical team were telling everyone Eunice would be fit for the season. Allowing that Daws and Verts had had a pretty good partnership the previous season I imagine most thought that with Eunice fit again and Vlad as a fourth choice we were fine
Most weren't expecting Verts to have to play LB, or that Eunice would still be struggling for fitness and then sharpness all season or that lad would look so uncomfortable in the PL

 

[Hotspur33]

All the Dawson bashing is starting to get on my nerves. Kaboul is finished. Verts hardly covered himself in glory last season. Vlad hasn't played enough games either.
I am all for signing a decent first 11 CB. But we would certainly have been a lot worse off if Dawson had agreed to move on earlier.
Surely it's bad management to ask Dawson to play in a way that does not suit him.

Arsenal play to Mertesacher's strengths rather than ask him to play a high line just because all the cool kids are doing it. Dawson is not a bad defender.

 

[Rodrigonodefendi]

All the Dawson bashing is starting to get on my nerves. Kaboul is finished. Verts hardly covered himself in glory last season. Vlad hasn't played enough games either.
I am all for signing a decent first 11 CB. But we would certainly have been a lot worse off if Dawson had agreed to move on earlier.
Surely it's bad management to ask Dawson to play in a way that does not suit him.

Arsenal play to Mertesacher's strengths rather than ask him to play a high line just because all the cool kids are doing it. Dawson is not a bad defender.

Depends on the rest of the squad doesn't it? If our group is better suited to high pressing it would be bad management to adapt tactics to suit one player? And wouldn't it be a great waste with two sweeper keepers on your books if you fall all the way back and invite play infront of you?

I agree Dawson is decent when played to his strenghts but I would suggest Baldini and the boys felt our squad was better suited to high pressing and appointed Pochettino head coach as a result.

 

[ethanedwards]

All the Dawson bashing is starting to get on my nerves. Kaboul is finished. Verts hardly covered himself in glory last season. Vlad hasn't played enough games either.
I am all for signing a decent first 11 CB. But we would certainly have been a lot worse off if Dawson had agreed to move on earlier.
Surely it's bad management to ask Dawson to play in a way that does not suit him.

Arsenal play to Mertesacher's strengths rather than ask him to play a high line just because all the cool kids are doing it. Dawson is not a bad defender.

Absolutely, lets build a squad around Dawson.

 

[LexingtonSpurs]

All the Dawson bashing is starting to get on my nerves. Kaboul is finished. Verts hardly covered himself in glory last season. Vlad hasn't played enough games either.
I am all for signing a decent first 11 CB. But we would certainly have been a lot worse off if Dawson had agreed to move on earlier.
Surely it's bad management to ask Dawson to play in a way that does not suit him.

Arsenal play to Mertesacher's strengths rather than ask him to play a high line just because all the cool kids are doing it. Dawson is not a bad defender.

Disagree mate. Can't set up a team with 10 guys playing one style, and 1 player playing another. And we can't risk pressing up top while leaving tons of space in front of the defenders.

 

[sloth]

All the Dawson bashing is starting to get on my nerves. Kaboul is finished. Verts hardly covered himself in glory last season. Vlad hasn't played enough games either.
I am all for signing a decent first 11 CB. But we would certainly have been a lot worse off if Dawson had agreed to move on earlier.
Surely it's bad management to ask Dawson to play in a way that does not suit him.

Arsenal play to Mertesacher's strengths rather than ask him to play a high line just because all the cool kids are doing it. Dawson is not a bad defender.

I disagree. You should have a philosophy for the game and then try to get then players who fit it.

 

[Rout-Ledge]

Anyone who advacates selling Daws brefore we get a replacement in is a lunatic, no hes not first team material any more but hes is a hell of a lot better than playing somone out of position to fill a gap. If he hadn't of been round at the start of last season, when the same people were wanting him out we would have been fucked..... and proper fucked at that. Yes I am a Daws fan but I am not saying he should be first choice, he is perfectly good enough to be a squad player IMO.

There's definitely some truth to this. We should always be looking to upgrade the weaker players in the team, and Dawson probably fits that category. But we need a replacement before we sell a player in a position we don't have depth in to begin with.

I also think anyone suggesting Dawson only wants to stay for the cash is pretty disgraceful given his service to the club. We wanted rid of him a couple of years ago but rather than take the QPR money he stood his ground without causing a fuss and won over the new manager. He has never said a word wrong when he's been out of the team and has never intentionally done anything on the pitch that has embarrassed the club.

He's not the most gifted footballer around but he's a cult hero at Spurs and rightly so.

 

[mpickard2087]

All the Dawson bashing is starting to get on my nerves. Kaboul is finished. Verts hardly covered himself in glory last season. Vlad hasn't played enough games either.
I am all for signing a decent first 11 CB. But we would certainly have been a lot worse off if Dawson had agreed to move on earlier.
Surely it's bad management to ask Dawson to play in a way that does not suit him.

Arsenal play to Mertesacher's strengths rather than ask him to play a high line just because all the cool kids are doing it. Dawson is not a bad defender.

Whenever he plays the defensive line already suffers what I call the 'Dawson effect' and gets dragged deeper than when others play it, so we already try to accommodate him somewhat in my opinion, its just the line is still too high for the guy bless him. It in turn means the team is more stretched if we are still trying to win it high up the pitch. Less compact = more space for the opposition.

 

[Bus-Conductor]

All the Dawson bashing is starting to get on my nerves. Kaboul is finished. Verts hardly covered himself in glory last season. Vlad hasn't played enough games either.
I am all for signing a decent first 11 CB. But we would certainly have been a lot worse off if Dawson had agreed to move on earlier.
Surely it's bad management to ask Dawson to play in a way that does not suit him.

Arsenal play to Mertesacher's strengths rather than ask him to play a high line just because all the cool kids are doing it. Dawson is not a bad defender.

Name me 5 CB's in the EPL who are worse than him ?

 

[ItsBoris]

Veljkovic already looks far better suited to Pochettino's style than Dawson imo. I wouldn't mind having Vertonghen, Kaboul, Chiriches, and Veljkovic as our CBs but I think it would be wise to buy one more.