Dawson, still rubbish?

[Damian99]

I haven't seen anyone say Dawson is rubbish recently, but if they did they are an idiot.

May i introduce to BC and you are 100% correct on the second issue.

 

[vicbob]

Cannot fault the guys passion and commitment, thought he was very strong against Liverpool on wednesday, however (and he's not the only one to blame for this, but was the biggest culprit). He made some really great blocks, tackles, headers etc, but he does tend to "hoof" the clearance and the ball comes straight back, only for him to make another great block/tackle/header. Caulker, Kaboul and Verts do tend to try and play out of defence a bit more, but for shear guts, passion and determination the guy is great. Its a shame that he seems to get ahead in the pecking order over Gallas, then gets injured. I do think that if the price is right, and our injuries get sorted, he may be off in Jan (but i hope not).
No snidey comment meant, just an observation

 

[playboypaul]

Our best centre backs are Vertonghen and Kaboul and Caulker is excellent cover. We then only need one from Dawson or Gallas. If we give Gallas a free transfer we would save/make 2m. If we Sell Dawson we will make 8m

If the 8mil is invested into a quality first teamer then we should sell Dawson. If not we should keep him and get rid of Gallas

But Gallas is a liabilty and would need replacing as well, we would then be without two CB's instead of one and would need to spend the 8-10m we get for Daws on a new CB. I say stick with what we have.

 

[mpickard2087]

Too early to say what sort form he is in. West Ham offered very little, against Liverpool we looked pretty shaky defensively IMO and then he went off injured early against Fulham.

If any team is willing to offer £10m for someone who is nearing 30 and is pretty much 4th/5th choice, its a deal you have to seriously consider.

 

[kcmei]

a smiling gallas would beat a smiling dawson anyday of the week

 

[Shadydan]

Dawson was never rubbish though was he, there were and still is question marks over his ability to play in AVB's system where he needs to be comfortable on the ball and needs to play out from the back. At the moment we're not utilising the split centre back system to it's full use like say Liverpool and Chelsea are which is why Dawson looks comfortable and hasn't looked out of place.

I think in the short team Dawson is a capable back up player to come in but in the long term if we have any aspirations as a club and want to move on under AVB then I can't see him settling in to our new style of play and if we're being offered £10m for him then I can see the club accepting it again.

 

[BillyWhizz]

May i introduce to BC and you are 100% correct on the second issue.

Ah yes I am familiar with this Bollock Chops bloke you mention, doesn't seem to like many of our players though does he so lets just ignore his whining and support who we've got.

 

[bubble07]

But Gallas is a liabilty and would need replacing as well, we would then be without two CB's instead of one and would need to spend the 8-10m we get for Daws on a new CB. I say stick with what we have.

But Gallas is good enough back up and 4 CBs should be enough with the remaining 15 league games and any europa games. For instance if we want x player and he is valued at 20m and we only offer 12m I would rather we used the 12m plus spend the 8m from Dawson sale to sign him if the player will directly improve the first X1

Kaboul and Benny will be back soon I think we will be ok

I love Dawson but the game isnt about sentiment

 

[defoe18]

Dawson is much better than Gallas and i hope AVB is slowly starting to see that

 

[EnfieldYiddo]

He's not rubbish he's just lacking in pace and prone to mistakes. Something that doesn't bode well for a defender.

But he's a better option than Gallas

 

[playboypaul]

But Gallas is good enough back up and 4 CBs should be enough with the remaining 15 league games and any europa games. For instance if we want x player and he is valued at 20m and we only offer 12m I would rather we used the 12m plus spend the 8m from Dawson sale to sign him if the player will directly improve the first X1

Kaboul and Benny will be back soon I think we will be ok

I love Dawson but the game isnt about sentiment

Gallas is as good as gone. He is too old, he is on a downward spiral and won't be good enough for us next season. If you had a choice for a 4th CB for the start of next season, of the two, who would you want out of Daws and Bambi? If we sold Daws now, we would then need another CB in the summer because Gallas will not be good enough for us next season.

Why bother selling Daws now, to shore up the midfield just to have to come back and refill the defense with someone else later on down the line? Why go through that when we already have the CB position as a whole completely covered? Because what will happen is, we will be short at CB and leave ourselves open to injuries. Imagine trying to get by on three CB's!

I know that I am talking about the start of next season, but don't you think that it is a bit short sighted to not consider the future. After all, people always talk about a 'project' and a 'dynasty' and all that. The future must be thought about.

If anyone is to go, then it should be Gallas IMHO. He is definately on higher wages than Daws and we should still be able to get £1-2m for him now. That then free's up the wage budget and gives us a bit more to add to the transfer fund to buy the midfielder that we need.

Leave well enough alone, concentrate on the positions that need strengthening. We have already seen that we need 4 CB's. Selling Daws would come back to bite us later if we did sell him.

Gallas will go at the end of the season.

With that in mind, would you want to have,

1) Sell Daws and try to sign an extra midfielder now (no garuntees) and have three quality CB's plus one thats got just enough football left in him for the rest of the season, is probably one of the clubs highest earners and is taking up valuble wages that our star midfielder would wan't, there-by limiting the wages we can offer. Then need to search for a new CB in the summer who is happy to play second fiddle.

Or

2) Keep Daws who is happy to play as a back up and get rid of the dead-wood that is Gallas and and free up his slice of the wage cake which can be given to the midfielder that we need? After all, we have transfer funds still, the Moutinho money hasn't gone anywhere has it? We will sign a midfielder either way in my opinion. Its just a case of which defender you would want?

 

[JimmyG2]

On a technical point:
Can you still be rubbish if you were never rubbish in the first place?
If he's prepared to stay as possible 4th choice when Kaboul returns
then let Gallas go. Please let Gallas go.

 

[Legend10]

I think we should definitely keep him as Gallas is likely to retire at the end of this season, meaning we can go into next with:

Walker...........Kaboul...........Vertonghen.............BAE

Backed up by:

Naughton........Caulker.........Dawson.................Rose

I think that's a pretty decent group to have and it would mean that we wouldn't have to spend any money on this area of the team and can spend it in other areas such as decent wide back up, a forward and a creative midfiled player.

 

[BillyWhizz]

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Why bother selling Daws now, to shore up the midfield just to have to come back and refill the defense with someone else later on down the line? Why go through that when we already have the CB position as a whole completely covered? Because what will happen is, we will be short at CB and leave ourselves open to injuries. Imagine trying to get by on three CB's!

- Because we have 3 excellent CB's in front of him, we do not have 3 excellent creative central midfielders.


If anyone is to go, then it should be Gallas IMHO. He is definately on higher wages than Daws and we should still be able to get £1-2m for him now. That then free's up the wage budget and gives us a bit more to add to the transfer fund to buy the midfielder that we need.

- no one will pay any money for a 35 y.o defender with suspect hammys. When his wages are off the books in the summer we can replace him with a younger cheaper replacement.

Leave well enough alone, concentrate on the positions that need strengthening.

- make your mind up!


With that in mind, would you want to have,

1) Sell Daws and try to sign an extra midfielder now (no garuntees) and have three quality CB's plus one thats got just enough football left in him for the rest of the season, is probably one of the clubs highest earners and is taking up valuble wages that our star midfielder would wan't, there-by limiting the wages we can offer. Then need to search for a new CB in the summer who is happy to play second fiddle.

- we won't sell him without the midfielder coming in, we're not Liverpool. And we already have a CB who is playing 2nd fiddle, Caulker!

Or

2) Keep Daws who is happy to play as a back up and get rid of the dead-wood that is Gallas and and free up his slice of the wage cake which can be given to the midfielder that we need? After all, we have transfer funds still, the Moutinho money hasn't gone anywhere has it? We will sign a midfielder either way in my opinion. Its just a case of which defender you would want?

- how do you know Daws is happy to play as back up? He has said the exact opposite recently but is just too much of a pro to bitch about it.

 

[we_all_loved_freund]

I'd forgotten how frustrated I get with his 50yd 'Hollywood' diagonals that only rarely get tot the intended target. I don't know why it frustrates me so much, it just does.

As an out and out defender, he's very good; certainly better than Gallas. It's his distribution that lets him down which is compounded by the fact that he obviousy thinks he's got skills better than David Beckham in that area.

Could we get better for 9 million, possibly. Should we sell, absolutely not. He is more than a defender he is a leader with heart, something that we would be severely lacking were we to let im go.

 

[chinaman]

Daws may not be a top line player, but he guarantees an honest day's work when played. Would like him as a squad member.

 

[bubble07]

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Gallas is as good as gone. He is too old, he is on a downward spiral and won't be good enough for us next season. If you had a choice for a 4th CB for the start of next season, of the two, who would you want out of Daws and Bambi? If we sold Daws now, we would then need another CB in the summer because Gallas will not be good enough for us next season.

Why bother selling Daws now, to shore up the midfield just to have to come back and refill the defense with someone else later on down the line? Why go through that when we already have the CB position as a whole completely covered? Because what will happen is, we will be short at CB and leave ourselves open to injuries. Imagine trying to get by on three CB's!

I know that I am talking about the start of next season, but don't you think that it is a bit short sighted to not consider the future. After all, people always talk about a 'project' and a 'dynasty' and all that. The future must be thought about.

If anyone is to go, then it should be Gallas IMHO. He is definately on higher wages than Daws and we should still be able to get £1-2m for him now. That then free's up the wage budget and gives us a bit more to add to the transfer fund to buy the midfielder that we need.

Leave well enough alone, concentrate on the positions that need strengthening. We have already seen that we need 4 CB's. Selling Daws would come back to bite us later if we did sell him.

Gallas will go at the end of the season.

With that in mind, would you want to have,

1) Sell Daws and try to sign an extra midfielder now (no garuntees) and have three quality CB's plus one thats got just enough football left in him for the rest of the season, is probably one of the clubs highest earners and is taking up valuble wages that our star midfielder would wan't, there-by limiting the wages we can offer. Then need to search for a new CB in the summer who is happy to play second fiddle.

Or

2) Keep Daws who is happy to play as a back up and get rid of the dead-wood that is Gallas and and free up his slice of the wage cake which can be given to the midfielder that we need? After all, we have transfer funds still, the Moutinho money hasn't gone anywhere has it? We will sign a midfielder either way in my opinion. Its just a case of which defender you would want?

I understand your points but for a team without top financial resources having a 4th choice central defender who is valued at around 8m is just not practical. If he was valued at 3m Id say keep him but 8 MILLION is a lot for a 4th choice central defender

To be realistic we need a good back up for the wide positions, RB, LB, LM, RM and 3 quality centre backs, 3 or 4 quality central midfielders and 2 or 3 quality centre fowards depending on formations (whether it be 4-4-2 or 4-3-3).

Then have one more CB, CM and CM that is a promising youngster who is content to have that role on low wages and low status

Dawson is has too much market value to only play cup games and in an injury crisis. AVB and Levy will also see it that way

In an ideal world if Gallas was worth 8m then he should definitely go

 

[double0]

My respect for Michael Dawson went up a notch against Fulham, yes he does the dafth things at times per game but will aways put his body on the line, a player who his limited yet plays to his best and you just have to respect a person like that/Dawson...he pulled up with a hamstring was clearly injuried but still thought first about the the team, Gallas wasn't quite ready to come on yet Dawson stalled further more before coming off the pitch.

Fantastic charactor....I'd keep Dawson and move Gallas on.

 

[wishkah]

I think in the short team Dawson is a capable back up player to come in but in the long term if we have any aspirations as a club and want to move on under AVB then I can't see him settling in to our new style of play and if we're being offered £10m for him then I can see the club accepting it again.

what happens when we get a tall team?

 

[Legend10]

I understand your points but for a team without top financial resources having a 4th choice central defender who is valued at around 8m is just not practical. If he was valued at 3m Id say keep him but 8 MILLION is a lot for a 4th choice central defender

To be realistic we need a good back up for the wide positions, RB, LB, LM, RM and 3 quality centre backs, 3 or 4 quality central midfielders and 2 or 3 quality centre fowards depending on formations (whether it be 4-4-2 or 4-3-3).

Then have one more CB, CM and CM that is a promising youngster who is content to have that role on low wages and low status

Dawson is has too much market value to only play cup games and in an injury crisis. AVB and Levy will also see it that way

In an ideal world if Gallas was worth 8m then he should definitely go

3 centre backs isn't enough, look how we've already been stretched this season and I think Gallas will retire in the summer when his contract is up.