Dele Alli - Player watch

[Hengy1]

Eriksen isn't exactly the most consistent player on the planet and was utterly woeful today. As he has been in quite a few games so far this season, why is he getting away with it but Dele is getting regularly slaughtered? Eriksen still hasn't signed a new contract, why isn't he being said of as not being focused or having his head already in Spain. It's all a bit weird the hypocrisy sometimes.

Personally I love both of them and this inconsistency is the reason why they're here, because without that I don't think we'd have a chance in hell of keeping them.

There's only a handful of players if that who for an entire season upon season are at the top of their game, even players like Hazard have had bad spells (admittedly it was due to him throwing toys out of pram) and De Bryne hasn't been this level constantly, he's had dips and poor spells over the last few years.

It's not like we're a team on fire and he's not the only one not exactly at it. We've not got going this season properly and consistantly yet in the same way he hasn't.

Eriksen signed his new contract last season

 

[spids]

All players have runs of bad from. We're unlucky at the moment as Dele and Eriksen are both off form, and Kane is not 100% physically. I was impressed yesterday how Dele forced himself on the game second half, and it was his assist that set up the goal. Eriksen had one of those days where his normally impeccable touch totally deserted him. I can cope with players having a dip. What I am more annoyed about is that Poch once again set up up with 3 CBs at home against a 'park the bus' team. I know he changed this by moving Dier into CM after 30 mins, but I personally would rather have seen him be more aggressive from the start and have played Llorente instead of the third CB.

 

[jimmy-jojo]

He continued to be the only bright spark and outlet for his team despite them going down a man and having to suffer the poor, and increasingly defensive substitutions of his manager that left him the only forward on the field for his team. Thus he was forced to chase down lost causes, press a back 3, and create chances all by his lonesome during his first game back from injury. And he did this all while being able to reliably control a ball and without a useless flicks or nutmegs carelessly ceding possession.

I hope that satisfies your genuine curiosity.

Excellent. We should buy him immediately. How much do you think he'll cost?

 

[heelspurs]

Excellent. We should buy him immediately. How much do you think he'll cost?

Significantly more than Goretzka would in Jan or the summer. But both would improve us and address deficiencies in our team as both are actual footballers. And Herc has said we have made our interest in Pulisic known to him and his representatives after our first game.

And even Poch realizes we need more as he was mentioning the need for quality in the final third to break down parked buses. We don't have it and Dele will not be providing it anytime soon.

 

[Donki]

It's amazing what people will allow some to get away with because of 'youth'. I am also very familiar with the maturation process and still don't find it an excuse for his play.

And I say this as i watch a repeat of Dortmund v Schalke with Christian Pulisic playing as consistently as he has all year...that would be 19 year old Christian Pulisic - a player that ran us ragged at Wembley. He can do this because he can rely on his technical ability which Dele cannot. And there is a difference between not having an effect on a game and being downright dreadful and detrimental to many things your team does. The first can be expected of a young player and the other says something altogether different.

Edit: I am also watching 22 year old Leon Goretzka abso-fucking-lutely change a game in which his team was 4-0 down within 26 minutes. His introduction into the game came @ 35 minutes. The game ends 4-4 in case you are wondering.

I don't think anyone is allowing Dele to get away with anything, but seeing he has been nothing short of sensational for the last few seasons I am willing to see if he can play through this rough patch, the manager seems to think the same. Some people seem intent on sticking the knife in as soon as there is any sign they can. I will be amazed if either Pulisic or Goretzka never have a period of poor form in their career.

 

[Diarmuid]

I thought Sonny was the only one who really stepped up the urgency and started trying to get beyond his man.

Agreed.. only one which can beat his man

 

[Diarmuid]

Agreed.. only one who can beat his man

 

[heelspurs]

I don't think anyone is allowing Dele to get away with anything,

some time on the pine would be evidence as well as bringing in some competition

but seeing he has been nothing short of sensational for the last few seasons I am willing to see if he can play through this rough patch

Please understand that this is his form. There is no difference in his play from yesterday to any of his games previously except that that cross from Trips would have been deposited in the net. the other 89+ minutes would still have been a bumblefest but supporters would have had something 'tangible' to cling to in his defense. Some were quick to point to his "ASSist" off of Evans' backside yesterday. Dele is not struggling for form...this is his form, minus goals. When you actually realize that then you will see.

Some people seem intent on sticking the knife in as soon as there is any sign they can.

Calling it like it is is not sticking the knife in. Play the man not the ball. Eriksen's play was horrid but it is generally not so. It was out of character for him. Dele was his usual self but without sparkly goals to justify his inclusion.

I will be amazed if either Pulisic or Goretzka never have a period of poor form in their career.

They will still be able to control a ball even if off form. And few PL midfielders will drop clangers as bad as he did in the center circle yesterday. That alone is enough to sit a player down. Mou had Lindelof right back on the bench after the Huddersfield affair. Dele will not see the pine.

 

[thebenjamin]

Significantly more than Goretzka would in Jan or the summer. But both would improve us and address deficiencies in our team as both are actual footballers. And Herc has said we have made our interest in Pulisic known to him and his representatives after our first game.

And even Poch realizes we need more as he was mentioning the need for quality in the final third to break down parked buses. We don't have it and Dele will not be providing it anytime soon.

All we need is to find £100M for the transfer fee and make him comfortably the highest paid player in the history of the club and we'll have more than a 0% chance of signing him.

 

[Donki]

some time on the pine would be evidence as well as bringing in some competition


Please understand that this is his form. There is no difference in his play from yesterday to any of his games previously except that that cross from Trips would have been deposited in the net. the other 89+ minutes would still have been a bumblefest but supporters would have had something 'tangible' to cling to in his defense. Some were quick to point to his "ASSist" off of Evans' backside yesterday. Dele is not struggling for form...this is his form, minus goals. When you actually realize that then you will see.


Calling it like it is is not sticking the knife in. Play the man not the ball. Eriksen's play was horrid but it is generally not so. It was out of character for him. Dele was his usual self but without sparkly goals to justify his inclusion.


They will still be able to control a ball even if off form. And few PL midfielders will drop clangers as bad as he did in the center circle yesterday. That alone is enough to sit a player down. Mou had Lindelof right back on the bench after the Huddersfield affair. Dele will not see the pine.

Honestly cannot even reply to this, how is this is usual form? How can you exclude the fact of his record the last 2 seasons? He broke records all over the board. He has 8 goals and 4 assists this season also.

"Play the man not the ball"?

"See the pine"?

You make it sound like Dele is picking himself, it's Poch, who seems him day in day out in training.

 

[Johnny J]

Zero chance we'll get Pulisic.

 

[heelspurs]

All we need is to find £100M for the transfer fee and make him comfortably the highest paid player in the history of the club and we'll have more than a 0% chance of signing him.

Silly comment and now everyone that reads it will have been made dumber for their efforts.

To disabuse you of any other foolish thoughts you may have re: German footballers. German clubs do not pay foolish wages. Their transfer fees are not silly unless it involves one of the foolish English clubs. German players move to other teams to get paid and even then get paid less than others because of their previous wages. Draxler, much higher profile than Goretzka, is still on less than 100K Euros at PSG...after moving for big money to Wolfsburg. Goretzka is also in the last 8 months of his contract so they can let him go for cheap in Jan or free in the summer if he decides to leave.

And as far as having 0% chance to sign him well that is up to the Poch and Daniel selling the project. but you say this like you have actual insight and aren't aren't talking bollocks. Had you even heard of Goretzka? Did you know of Pulisic before our CL game? So are you suggesting we shouldn't try?

 

[Donki]

Silly comment and now everyone that reads it will have been made dumber for their efforts.

To disabuse you of any other foolish thoughts you may have re: German footballers. German clubs do not pay foolish wages. Their transfer fees are not silly unless it involves one of the foolish English clubs. German players move to other teams to get paid and even then get paid less than others because of their previous wages. Draxler, much higher profile than Goretzka, is still on less than 100K Euros at PSG...after moving for big money to Wolfsburg. Goretzka is also in the last 8 months of his contract so they can let him go for cheap in Jan or free in the summer if he decides to leave.

And as far as having 0% chance to sign him well that is up to the Poch and Daniel selling the project. but you say this like you have actual insight and aren't aren't talking bollocks. Had you even heard of Goretzka? Did you know of Pulisic before our CL game? So are you suggesting we shouldn't try?

What happened to play the ball not the man mate? Absolutely no need for that on here.

 

[heelspurs]

Honestly cannot even reply to this, how is this is usual form? How can you exclude the fact of his record the last 2 seasons? He broke records all over the board. He has 8 goals and 4 assists this season also.

"Play the man not the ball"?

"See the pine"?

You make it sound like Dele is picking himself, it's Poch, who seems him day in day out in training.

You were 'playing the man' by attacking those that 'stuck the knife in' supposedly. Benches are made of pine.

And again you try to negate my point of his general play being shit that is only shined by scoring goals by quoting his goal stats. As I have said there is nothing different in Dele's play except that he is not scoring goals. It is all bumble here, bumble there, cede possession here, flop there, rinse and repeat. If he scored at the death yesterday you would be fully on the Dele train whereas many of us would still be frustrated at the other crazy, ineffective 89+ minutes that got us there. And I, for one, would be left wanting for a player of more consistent output on which to base my teams success.

And yeah Poch keeps playing him but Poch was also the man that was complaining publicly for more quality to breakdown teams. He knows, he just has no other options right now.

 

[Donki]

You were 'playing the man' by attacking those that 'stuck the knife in' supposedly. Benches are made of pine.

And again you try to negate my point of his general play being shit that is only shined by scoring goals by quoting his goal stats. As I have said there is nothing different in Dele's play except that he is not scoring goals. It is all bumble here, bumble there, cede possession here, flop there, rinse and repeat. If he scored at the death yesterday you would be fully on the Dele train whereas many of us would still be frustrated at the other crazy, ineffective 89+ minutes that got us there. And I, for one, would be left wanting for a player of more consistent output on which to base my teams success.

And yeah Poch keeps playing him but Poch was also the man that was complaining publicly for more quality to breakdown teams. He knows, he just has no other options right now.

I think we will agree to disagree, I'm not on any Dele is a world class player train but to say he is average without his goals or his assists makes absolutely no sense.

 

[heelspurs]

What happened to play the ball not the man mate? Absolutely no need for that on here.

Why don't you focus on our Dele debate. Your reaching here and it's embarrassing. you ever heard the one about the lawyer and the facts, evidence, etc, and th epounding of the table? That's what your doing here. He made a flippant post and I gave him a flippant response. He got what he deserved. So back to defending the bumbling.

 

[Bus-Conductor]

Heard an interesting stat today, Alli is the second most dispossessed player in the entire league, behind Jordan Ayew. With Andros Townsend third, despite the fact that Townsend attempts the second most dribbles and Alli the 30th most.

I know we have to quantify and qualify, and when he's producing goals and assists galore it becomes a risk/reward equation that's more tolerable, but when he's not that equation is drastically imbalanced.

Just for the record here’s a link:

http://www.oulala.com/en/community/blog/item/dele-alli-ball-control

 

[Donki]

Why don't you focus on our Dele debate. Your reaching here and it's embarrassing. you ever heard the one about the lawyer and the facts, evidence, etc, and th epounding of the table? That's what your doing here. He made a flippant post and I gave him a flippant response. He got what he deserved. So back to defending the bumbling.

Lol mate, you can't tell me to "play the ball not the man" in one post then make a dig at another member in basically the very next post, then tell me I'm embarrassing myself for calling you on it. Have you heard the story of the pot and the black kettle?

 

[Donki]

Just for the record here’s a link:

http://www.oulala.com/en/community/blog/item/dele-alli-ball-control

Do we have stats on this for last season?

 

[heelspurs]

I think we will agree to disagree, I'm not on any Dele is a world class player train but to say he is average without his goals or his assists makes absolutely no sense.

You are correct. Without his goals or assists what is he? Average, in this case, would be improvement. For the majority of most games he plays I long for 'average', a nice consistent average MF that can control a ball and pass a ball. It's why I love Harry Winks. He is above what would be described as 'average' but it's the fact that he is reliable in all capacities. Dele is not.

And yes we can agree to disagree but I would hasten to add you came at me and I am not the one that is denying the evidence on display and trying to make it match up with my hopes and dreams for a player. Once you see it, you'll see I'm right.