Do anti-Defoe brigade now see why Redknapp will not sell him ?

[kishman]

7 goals so far for Defoe this season and he hasn't played that much. He has done very well. He better score 13 more goals the season.

 

[Legend10]

I'm sorry, but it is you who is being totally ridiculous.
The club offered him several opportunities to sign a new contract, he refused every one. The club stated that they were putting him up for sale because they would not have another ScumBag incident. The backdrop to the whol scenario was Defoe complaining in the press about needing to start gaames, even though BerbaGit/Keane were playing particularly well.

The only thing you say that makes the remotest sense is that Defoe could have declined to go to Portsmouth - which suggests that his real motive was, as he claimed, because he wanted to play. But I hardly think that if he refused to sign a new contract, and at the same time refused to consider a transfer in January, the club would have just accepted it and let him pick up his full wage until his contract ran out - do you really believe that?

Everything I have said is exactly as it was, the offeres of a contract, the refusal to sign, the complaints to the press about not starting, and the insistence by the club that they absolutely would not allow another BinBag situation to arise.

I'm sorry for you if find the truth totally ridiculous, because it is the truth. Defoe really wanted to play, and he wasn't stupid enough to imagine (as you seem to) that he could refuse to sign a contract and refuse to negotiate a move, but still pick his wages up without ramifications. And the fact that he was prepared to move to portsmouth does not in any way invalidate my assertionthat he refused to sign a new contract, that he was complaining to the newspapers (which was the point of bringing it up in the first place :roll, or that the club pretty much insisted he be sold in January so as to avoid another ScumBall situation, and stated that as their reasoning at the time. All it means is that when presented with the alternatives, Defoe agreed to leave if the club find a half-decent transfer, and they did that by finding him his old mucker Mr Redknapp.

Unbelievably idiotic post.

 

[StartingPrice]

Unbelievably idiotic post.

:roll:
You can't actually refute anything I say, and your understanding of logic is like a slow 4 year old, so you keep on saying my posts are idiotic :duh:

 

[ethanedwards]

I'm sorry, but it is you who is being totally ridiculous.
The club offered him several opportunities to sign a new contract, he refused every one. The club stated that they were putting him up for sale because they would not have another ScumBag incident. The backdrop to the whol scenario was Defoe complaining in the press about needing to start gaames, even though BerbaGit/Keane were playing particularly well.

The only thing you say that makes the remotest sense is that Defoe could have declined to go to Portsmouth - which suggests that his real motive was, as he claimed, because he wanted to play. But I hardly think that if he refused to sign a new contract, and at the same time refused to consider a transfer in January, the club would have just accepted it and let him pick up his full wage until his contract ran out - do you really believe that?

Everything I have said is exactly as it was, the offeres of a contract, the refusal to sign, the complaints to the press about not starting, and the insistence by the club that they absolutely would not allow another BinBag situation to arise.

I'm sorry for you if find the truth totally ridiculous, because it is the truth. Defoe really wanted to play, and he wasn't stupid enough to imagine (as you seem to) that he could refuse to sign a contract and refuse to negotiate a move, but still pick his wages up without ramifications. And the fact that he was prepared to move to portsmouth does not in any way invalidate my assertionthat he refused to sign a new contract, that he was complaining to the newspapers (which was the point of bringing it up in the first place :roll, or that the club pretty much insisted he be sold in January so as to avoid another ScumBall situation, and stated that as their reasoning at the time. All it means is that when presented with the alternatives, Defoe agreed to leave if the club find a half-decent transfer, and they did that by finding him his old mucker Mr Redknapp.

That is my recollection of events, at the time I got the impression JD was more concerned about his England prospects than any particular club loyalty, perhaps I may be mistaken, but at that time did he not have the same agent as SolC. As you have alluded this may have had a bearing on DL's reason for selling him.

 

[Legend10]

:roll:
You can't actually refute anything I say, and your understanding of logic is like a slow 4 year old, so you keep on saying my posts are idiotic :duh:

I'm not the one obsessed with kiddies smilies.

I can't be arsed to refute or discuss anything with you because you are clearly to dim to understand that what you've written is horseshit, and seeing as i know you are obsessed with the sound of your own keyboard I'll call it a day at that on this subject.

 

[Legend10]

That is my recollection of events, at the time I got the impression JD was more concerned about his England prospects than any particular club loyalty, perhaps I may be mistaken, but at that time did he not have the same agent as SolC. As you have alluded this may have had a bearing on DL's reason for selling him.

The club clearly sold him because his contract was running down and he wouldn't sign a new one, that's not in doubt.

However the club can't force a player to leave if he elects to sit it out and expire his contract, which in this case would have resulted in a Bosman situation for Defoe.

I suspect you are spot on, he wanted to play and he wanted his england spot more than sitting it out and picking up his pot of gold.

 

[StartingPrice]

The club clearly sold him because his contract was running down and he wouldn't sign a new one, that's not in doubt.

However the club can't force a player to leave if he elects to sit it out and expire his contract, which in this case would have resulted in a Bosman situation for Defoe.

I suspect you are spot on, he wanted to play and he wanted his england spot more than sitting it out and picking up his pot of gold.

So, when I said clearly in my post that you quoted that Defoe clearly left because he wanted to play, it was idiotic, but when Ethan said it, in agreeing with my post, he was spot on :shrug: (oooh, look, use of smiley :roll.

Your sole point of argument seems to be that Defoe agreed to be sold, and if he hadn't done so, while refusing to sign a new contract, the club would have had no alternative but to pay him his full wage for the remainder of his contract. You really believe that? And that it invalidates my statement that Defoe had been whingeing to the press; that it invalidates my statement that Defoe refused to sign several contract offers; and that it invalidates my statement that the club made it clear, at the time, that Defoe was being sold because they wold not allow another ScumBall situtation to develop.

Wow, and I used to think you were a reasonable poster...but there is no reason, or indeed reasoning, to this at all. Defoe consented to be sold, and therefore none of these things that myself, and others remember clearly, actually happened.

 

[stevenqoz]

In football nine of ten passes are usually 'keep the ball' passes. In some areas of the field you have a natural numerical advantage while in others this diminishes until eventually within the oppositions final third you are outnumbered and passes played there are relatively higher risk. A player such as Defoe, Owen, Fowler or Lineker would play predominantly higher up in this respect. Of course some forwards come deep and join in in areas of less risk because where they receive the ball usually is one of less pressure. Those that play high on the last mans shoulder are by definition a more risky proposition to pass to and usually receive less of the ball as a result. Of course being involved in the play is important but to just refer to passing statistics would make Wilkins, Samways and Batty some of most influential players of all time. Yes Defoe is a limited type of forward but he is also one who tends receive the ball in the most risky areas and unless we are absolutely over running an opponent I would not expect anything other than a low passing statistic for him

 

[InOffMeLeftShin]

Defoe is obviously going to have less passes than his strike partner because we play the ball into Adebayor more often than not. I'm certainly not going to complain about Defoe's second half contribution though. I thought he linked up well with Ade and the midfield, had some nice interchanges and was a goal threat.

When he is playing like that even if he is not passing the ball 60 or 70 times, he has to be watched all the time by the opposition defence. If they take their eye of him for a moment, they know he is a goal threat and he showed it yesterday as he has this season. I genuinely think he has improved as a player, he is being caught offside less, his movement is actually better than I have seen it before, he is managing to find a little more space, he has definitely worked on his upper body strength and if he keeps playing this way he is definitely a great option to have.

Of course he is behind Adebayor and VDV in the pecking order, but he plays differently to both, higher up the pitch and poses a different problem for the defenders.

 

[Legend10]

In football nine of ten passes are usually 'keep the ball' passes. In some areas of the field you have a natural numerical advantage while in others this diminishes until eventually within the oppositions final third you are outnumbered and passes played there relatively higher risk. A player such as Defoe, Owen, Fowler or Lineker would play predominantly higher in this respect. Of some forwards come deep and join in in areas of less risk because where receive the ball is one of less pressure. Those that play high on the last mans shoulder are by definition a more risky proposition to pass to and usually receive less of the ball as a result. Of course being involved in the play is important but mindless refer all to statistics would make Wilkins Samways and Batty some of most influential players of all time. Yes Defoe is a limited type of forward but he is also one who tends receive the ball in. The most risky areas and unless we are absolutely over running an opponent I would not expect any other statistic

Completely spot on which emphasises the point that in his last season on this basis Keane would have probably been our most influential player, although in reality it just didn't happen for the fella.

 

[Legend10]

So, when I said clearly in my post that you quoted that Defoe clearly left because he wanted to play, it was idiotic, but when Ethan said it, in agreeing with my post, he was spot on :shrug: (oooh, look, use of smiley :roll.

Your sole point of argument seems to be that Defoe agreed to be sold, and if he hadn't done so, while refusing to sign a new contract, the club would have had no alternative but to pay him his full wage for the remainder of his contract. You really believe that? And that it invalidates my statement that Defoe had been whingeing to the press; that it invalidates my statement that Defoe refused to sign several contract offers; and that it invalidates my statement that the club made it clear, at the time, that Defoe was being sold because they wold not allow another ScumBall situtation to develop.

Wow, and I used to think you were a reasonable poster...but there is no reason, or indeed reasoning, to this at all. Defoe consented to be sold, and therefore none of these things that myself, and others remember clearly, actually happened.

Ok one final try.

You clearly believe that Defoe would not have been paid his full wages for the remaining period of his contract if a) he refused to be sold and b) he also refused to sign a new contract.

Come on seriously think about it, you think in a time of player power that any player would be docked wages because he refused to be sold and because he wouldn't sign a new contract whilst he was honouring his existing one? Somehow I think the PFA let alone the courts would have something to say about that.

Would make a pretty stupid headline 'Defoe docked wages for honouring contract'.

 

[Yid-ol]

Against WBA:

Adebayor: 52 passes
Defoe: 22 passes

Bale: 62 passes
Sandro: 40 passes
Parker: 60 passes
Lennon: 43 passes

BAE: 80 passes
Kaboul: 38 passes

King: 36 passes
Walker: 68 passes

I like Defoe and he has started the season brightly. But he does not get involved enough in our general play to be considered a starter. Especially not in competition with VdV who offers as many goals complete with a better all round play.

So let's compare players who drop deep to get the ball or play the ball around at the ack to a player who noraly plays high up the pitch towards the last man.... genius

Let's compare goals, defoe 1 king 0 walker 0 kaboul 0, they just dont get invoked in scoring fo they.

 

[Yid-ol]

Ok one final try.

You clearly believe that Defoe would not have been paid his full wages for the remaining period of his contract if a) he refused to be sold and b) he also refused to sign a new contract.

Come on seriously think about it, you think in a time of player power that any player would be docked wages because he refused to be sold and because he wouldn't sign a new contract whilst he was honouring his existing one? Somehow I think the PFA let alone the courts would have something to say about that.

Would make a pretty stupid headline 'Defoe docked wages for honouring contract'.

Defoe didnt refuse to sign, he just asked to get game tie and eas told he wouldn't be guarenteed it and as he wqs getting no where near the team even if he came on and scored, he moved for footballing reasons to get game time. If I told you that you have to pay for a season ticket but u may not get to the games. Would you pay for it, or look for an alternative way?

 

[Coyboy]

Those two statements aren't necessarily mutually exclusive.

I wish we had spent that 15m on a better striker, but now we have two better options I have less of a problem and accept that any player who is going to be a bench warmer is going to be more limited than the first choice players.

Of course I wish that we had a better third choice striker than Defoe, but even then I wouldn't mind Defoe being in the squad as fourth choice.

Of course they are. "I can't believe people don't see it as a mistake resigning him": " I don't have a problem with him being a squad player". So you don't have a problem with us committing a grave error of resigning this idiot?

Never mind that his goals were pivotal in us getting into the CL and that he has found form this year, as 'third choice' striker, or rather someone who offers something different to VDV and Ade he is more than fine. Unless you expect us to have RVP or David Villa or someone.

Steam tug.

 

[mattstev2000]

Average player, good for the squad but far too inconsistent to be worth a starting place. 3rd or 4th choice I'd say.

The way he gets talked up by some people in the media (and some of our fans) is nuts. He's not a particularly clinical finisher, he's not very often a 20 goal a season man (check the stats, i think he's only managed it once), he's not one of England's best goalscorers - he's a pretty good striker who can punish weaker teams and is good at creating space for himself to shoot with.

We paid well over the odds for him when we brought him back but he's handy to have in the squad for sure.

 

[Lilbaz]

So let's compare players who drop deep to get the ball or play the ball around at the ack to a player who noraly plays high up the pitch towards the last man.... genius

Let's compare goals, defoe 1 king 0 walker 0 kaboul 0, they just dont get invoked in scoring fo they.

I prefer vdv because he does drop deep. His movement along with ade's means that teams can't park the bus like they did last year. They pull defences apart and lea(e space for bale, likable and lennon to exploit. Like deformed and he's great backup but would choose vdv ahead of him.

 

[yido_number1]

Defoe is a good back up striker for VdV but that is all he is these days... personally I really like him as a player for spurs, was dissapointed when he was sold and sang his name when he came back with Pompey... if VdV is out he is a no brainer and also an able sub that just might score when he comes on... but that is all he is...

(Hasnt got bad goal stats for a sub!!!)

 

[Bus-Conductor]

Of course they are. "I can't believe people don't see it as a mistake resigning him": " I don't have a problem with him being a squad player". So you don't have a problem with us committing a grave error of resigning this idiot?

Never mind that his goals were pivotal in us getting into the CL and that he has found form this year, as 'third choice' striker, or rather someone who offers something different to VDV and Ade he is more than fine. Unless you expect us to have RVP or David Villa or someone.

Steam tug.

No they are not and I have explained why. What does Steam tug mean ?

 

[Maske2g]

If Jermain Defoe hasn't realised his role as a footballer at the top level at 29, for both club and country, he is never going to realise is he.

He is our Ole Gunnar. And if he don't like it, then he can do what he has done once before, go and play in the first 11 for a mediocre side.

He played this role perfectly on Saturday. coming off the bench after an hour (sic) and nicking a winner (Ok so he didn't come off the bench, but he barely touched the ball for an hour.) He didn't show himself, and he stood and watched as our midfield struggled against the 3 in the middle of West Brom, in the first half. (ok so our wingers weren't exactly tucking in and making things difficult either)

He came alive in the last 30 mins, and took his goal well as he often does against mediocre defences. Still his and Adebayors finishing left a bit to be desired at times.

Goals aside, VDV's movement, intelligence and awareness are a major reason why we dominate possession in most games. He know's when to come deep and keep the ball. He does more running in most games than most players on the pitch(statistical fact), except unlike Crouchey, who had a similar stat.....his runs damage the opponents, and help us keep the ball.

If Defoe gets the the Euro's he wont start, he may get on if we need a goal.

So what does he want? 40 mins at the european championships with mid table mediocrity, or an impact player , who will still get 15-20 starts, at a top prem team?

I know what I'd choose.

 

[wevegotledleyattheback]

Links up v well with Ade great option to play instead of VDV who can't play every game. Hope he gets some game time as will put them away with our attacking lineup and he deserves to go to Poland in the summer is as good as bent and co