Do you think Jay Rodriguez will be fit again?

[SandroClegane]

Adrian Peterson is a once in a century athlete. His physical composition and tendon strength is unlike any professional athlete on the face of the planet.

There are numerous others throughout many sports who have struggled coming off ACL injuries for significant periods of time. Derrick Rose being the most prominent example. Giuseppe Rossi is another example. Our own Sandro, of course, still doesn't look the same. Robert Griffin III was nowhere near the same player when he came back fro a ligament tear last season. Dominick Cruz is another prominent athlete who has had setbacks after his initial tear, too.

In a season where we desperately need to improve our end product, spending a big chunk of money on Jay Rodriguez, who may not even play until December, would be a mistake in my opinion. I'd rather go after Konoplyanka or even Remy on loan, as they can start on August 16th against West Ham for us, which is very important.

We have Chadli, Townsend, and Lennon that could play on the left there, as well as possibly Eriksen if we decide to have him do what he did last season. Then once Jay Rod heals he can step in there. We certainly aren't short of cover on the left.

 

[jonnyp]

I have no idea why we're even interested in Rodriguez. I also don't really understand Schneiderlin unless we're offloading some other players.

 

[Drexl]

He has less than a year left on his contract, he is refusing to sign another one so Levy will grind Saints down to the point he is forking out near enough bugger all, worth the gamble

I have seen 15m quoted in media, take away the 1 and that will be nearer the reality

As for long fitness no point speculating, every person is different, am sure if the deal is quite advanced that Spurs will have seen his medical records and gone through them thoroughly

 

[Spurs 1961]

He has less than a year left on his contract, he is refusing to sign another one so Levy will grind Saints down to the point he is forking out near enough bugger all, worth the gamble

I have seen 15m quoted in media, take away the 1 and that will be nearer the reality

As for long fitness no point speculating, every person is different, am sure if the deal is quite advanced that Spurs will have seen his medical records and gone through them thoroughly

You make some good points. Southampton might cut their losses and get some money now and we might take a punt if the fee is low enough. Seems sensible to me

 

[Spurs 1961]

So I have sussed the Southampton master plan. Sell seven players for £120million and buy back Gareth Bale. Simple!

 

[teok]

Sorry if this has already been said but how far off being fit is he?

 

[Courtneyjd]

I have no idea why we're even interested in Rodriguez. I also don't really understand Schneiderlin unless we're offloading some other players.

I agree, i don't think either of the players are any better than what we already have at the club.

 

[Xeeleeyid]

Sorry if this has already been said but how far off being fit is he?

He's currently started light training again with Southampton and has a (current) predicted first-team return date of October.

 

[Xeeleeyid]

I agree, i don't think either of the players are any better than what we already have at the club.

They might not be 'technically' better than players already at the club, but they are 'tactically' better than the players we currently have in the positions they fill, when you consider what we need those players to be able to do.

Rodriguez is not a 'better' player technically than the likes of Townsend, Chadli etc that we could play in the left-forward position, but in terms of someone who is hard working, moves constantly, gets up in support of the striker and scores goals from all angles, then Rodriguez is perfect for Pochettino's system.

Similarly, while technically Schneiderlin is not better than Sandro, Dembele etc, in terms of winning the ball and playing an accurate pass forward quickly and intelligently, he is a far better player tactically in Poch's system.

 

[Metalhead]

I have no idea why we're even interested in Rodriguez. I also don't really understand Schneiderlin unless we're offloading some other players.

I imagine that the club probably are looking at offloading some other players.

 

[class of 62]

both not required imho.
in rodriguez case I cant believe levy even contemplating signing someone that's only just
started training again after such a serious injury.

 

[Mr Pink]

From Saints web:

To be fair, Jay has fully recovered from his knee injury and was on course to return within 6-8 weeks - well ahead of schedule. He's been working building his strength and muscle around his knee. The knee injury it's self has gone.....so it's not like they're signing a crocked player, they're signing a player who isn't fully fit as yet. I just hope we haven't agreed to let him go at a knock down price for this. Should be £20m and no less.

I will miss Jay, regulars on here will know how much I wanted that signing to happen back in the day. Utter class act of a player who stepped up a level last year.

 

[Redfap]

This is such a subjective question! You'd expect that the spurs medical team would have extensively reviewed his rehab to see how it is going and the signs are positive for us to make the signing (if it happens).

I've had ACL reconstruction and as someone who relied on pace, it certainly affected my explosiveness off of that leg in a negative way. I still suffer knee swelling and instability but my case is individual to me and I think others and myself have formed opinions based on the results of themselves and other sportsman.

ACL is case by case one - For some its game over, others its not a problem.

For the interested, the new graft is actually stronger than the ligament and physios can do all kinds of work to create stronger muscle stability around the knee to support the repair. Future damage is usually a case of instabilities that were not addressed in rehab OR plain bad luck :-(

If we sign Jay I'd be confident were getting a player who will rediscover his form! I'm more interested in seeing Walcott's recovery and subsequent performances!

I've also done my ACL and I can't 'agree' with this post anymore.

Doing an ACL is not the death sentence it once was and most players make a decent recovery, however buying him would still be quite a risk.

I'll also add that whilst the graft is stronger typically a knee wont be at the same 100% it previously was. Whether the decline is enough to dramatically impact his speed/performance is hard to say. But I image given that he is a full time footballer and has available to him excellent physio staff and good training facilities you would hope that he will return to his best.

I'll also add that there is a strong mental element in coming back from a torn ACL. Typically even if the knee recovers perfectly it takes time to find you feet, get your touch back, get confidence and return to your previous form. This purchase is effectively a January buy.

 

[agrdavidsfan]

was his ACL repaired with a graft from his hamstring?

Judging by the scars hamstring

It's the preferred treament these days

 

[agrdavidsfan]

Oh and I forgot Alan Shearer who did his when at Blackburn and then went on to be the most expensive English player and one of the best strikers in English history.

Vidic, Rossi, Jagielka, even Fabian Delph did his acl and came back a better player. So many players to have suffered this 'career threatening injury'.

In fact can we name any who didn't come back because of the ACL?

Delphs has gone again now I believe?
Vidic was a shadow of his former self weren't no where near as brave of strong
Jagielka still has knee problems
Rossi is on rehab for I think the 4th time?

No doubt you can come back but can you come back to the same level? Would love to see names of players that are back to a higher level

 

[Sir Henry]

If we are seriously buying Rodriguez I would imagine a lot will be told from his medical, if he passes we must think he'll be ok plus we'll have the finer details of his injury at hand to asses.

 

[Danners9]

I have no idea why we're even interested in Rodriguez. I also don't really understand Schneiderlin unless we're offloading some other players.

I agree, i don't think either of the players are any better than what we already have at the club.

If they are already in tune with the manager's tactics and have the work ethic required then they are better than what we already have.

Rodriguez scored more goals than Adebayor last season. His pressing, positioning and running off the ball is a massive asset over - say - players who stand and wait for the ball.

Schneiderlein is a brilliant tackler, strong and fast, good range of passing and you will have noticed the one-touch passing movements through midfield in pre-season so far - he will become the anchor for this. Capoue has impressed, Dembele is powerful and stylish but slow off the mark, and Sandro's passing is erratic.

here.

And you'd expect players to leave, it's impossible to keep them all.

 

[CRUSADER]

If Poch wants them...get them.

 

[littlemandefoe]

skysports reporting that their chairman said they're BOTH NOT leaving...

 

[TheGreenLily]

I think you should play a 4-3-3, IMO.