England Woman’s Team

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  1. Maxtremist

    Maxtremist Active Member

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    Whilst intent is part of it... I don't think it's enough to excuse you of something. I wouldn't want anyone to say comments like that about me or my family. I personally wouldn't find it funny or see the joke in it. It's honestly a little bit racist no matter what the intent is.

    I certainly think there's a difference between calling someone racist and saying that someone made a racist comment. In this case, I personally honestly believe that's a racist comment. Especially in the position that Sampson was in.
     
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  2. KILLA_SIN

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    Nonsense, Many times we have to hold back on complaining because you can wave goodbye to any chance of progression or promotion, and you will be labelled a trouble maker. How do I know this because when I have spoken to friends and family who have done otherwise they have suffered more so than the person who said the comment. Bite your tongue and wait your time. Thankfully I have worked for myself since I was 24. My wife on the other hand must complain about this too me at least twice a year. And I have to always tell her best she keep quite or will just be labelled as sensitive and causing trouble.

    Now if this wasn't the workplace and someone said something to myself or her I would deal with this in a very different way. A more enjoyable way.
     
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  3. WalkerboyUK

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    Like I said, in 2014 we had the biggest outbreak of Ebola in history and massive controls went into place at all our airports.
    Seems to me he made a comment that was related to that and the fact her parents were travelling from Africa.
    To me that seems like a comment based on misinformation and generalisation rather than racist.
    However, I have never had to encounter racism so maybe I'm also just misinformed as to what racism is.
     
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    I wish the BBC would stump up some real money for some proper sport, maybe even get some decent football back.

    Then they'll stop pushing this women's football thing. It's beyond shit! They'd get a better standard if they decided to show men's non-league stuff. Would give a much needed boost to the game at that level too.
     
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  5. WalkerboyUK

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    So if someone calls @aliyid a sheep shagging Welsh *** what happens next?!?!
    Xenophobic racism isnt it, or is that just a bit of banter?!?
     
  6. Maxtremist

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    Well a lot of it is down to misinformation and assumptions etc...
    For me, it's never been anyone calling me the N-Word or shit like that, it's always assumptions based about me or my families upbringing or life. Very rarely meant with malice but they're assumptions and comments made purely based on the colour of my skin with no factor for who I am and the life I've actually lived etc...

    Sampson's comments fall in line with that, no matter how much he intended them to be or not, it was a comment based on assumptions that stem from Aluko's skin colour/her race and her families race. Even with the context of the Ebola outbreak.. it's still not enough to make that comment, let alone to try and almost pass it off as a joke. So for me, I find what he said racist. As does Aluko and many others.

    I respect that not everyone may see it that way and they're more than welcome to... nevertheless I don't agree with them and that viewpoint.
     
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    You don't know what it is, Its not being called the N word or the P word, that is so rare to ever come across that now, its the more underhanded, insidious remarks hidden behind humor and banter. People purposely say it in such way so they can hide behind 'I didn't mean it like that', or it was a joke. I'm brown, would I make a joke to black person about Ebola, absolutely not.

    And really don't understand the problem with her being compensated Samson was probably on a lot of money coaching England.
     
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  8. Maxtremist

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    Cause the women's league doesn't need a boost at all to improve them and make them even better?

    I'm sorry but can we stop talking down women's football. Women's sports in general shouldn't be looked down upon and neither should Women's football. Let them play their game, let BBC promote it.

    The more BBC promote it, the money can hopefully go into the game and inspire more women to play and more focus and attention can be paid to them and training them and as such the quality will improve and keep improving. It's a valid thing. Don't be a dick and talk it down. We're better than that now, surely?
     
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  9. Maxtremist

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    Erm... yeah... kinda is a little racist/xenophobic.

    Just as a general rule of thumb, in an argument if someone tells you something is wrong/frowned upon whatever... don't respond by bringing up another thing that other can be consider wrong or frowned upon.

    "So we're saying example A is bad?? Well what about example B? Is that bad now too?" is not a good argument.
     
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    When my homosexual colleague said he was bringing his boyfriend to the Christmas party and I responded "make sure he doesn't bring the aids with him" was it right that I was fired or should my excuse of I was joking and meant no harm valid?
     
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    If said at work and he made a complaint then yes there would be trouble.

    Not sure why this is difficult to grasp.
     
  12. WalkerboyUK

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    So do you both support the signing of Aurier?!? You know, that player who called his manager a faggot...
     
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    You really do like mixing apples and oranges to miss a point don't you?

    In positions of authority you cannot say certain things.

    If Poch calls a player a faggot he gets fired. A player gets punished but not fired.
     
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    I messaged in the aurier thread before we signed him, I don't like that about his past at all. I'm glad he knows it's a mistake and has moved on from it.

    Same with this, I'm not calling Sampson a racist or a horrible person. I'm saying that comment was racist and in his position he shouldn't have said it. Aurier's comment was homophobic and he shouldn't have said it. He's admitted he was wrong and moved on. Sampson hasn't admitted wrongdoing.
     
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    Position of authority is irrelevant when it comes to racism or homphobia.
    Same punishment should apply.
     
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    But Sampson saying he is sorry would mean he feels guilty.
    He clearly doesn't feel he said anything wrong.
    I'm sure, had he been found guilty by the investigations then there would have been an apology.
    Why apologise for something you've been found not guilty of?!?
     
  17. Maxtremist

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    Because apologies aren't about being caught. He can apologise for how his comment came across despite his intention.
     
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  18. Navin R Johnson

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    Stop digging.
     
  19. SheffieldAndy

    SheffieldAndy Friends with the monster under my bed.

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    I've read through this thread and seen that the issue obviously polarises opinion. I'm genuinely interested to find out posters opinions regarding if Aluko had been white, and from a white family in Africa, if there'd still apparently have been assumptions made about her skin colour/race or her families race by Sampson. Or in this case would it be seen as harmless, a joke or something else?

    I don't really know my feelings on the actual issue as it seems to be a lot of hearsay from both parties involved, and we don't really know the full facts (and may never do), but reading the thread and some of the replies, the above question came to mind.
     
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  20. DJS

    DJS Smacks of villainy

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    I don't get why a bloke is in charge of the women's team? Seems odd to me.

    Haven't they got enough former female players now to take up a coaching role?
     

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