Eric Dier - Signed

[jurgen]

There seemed to be Sporting fans aggrieved at the low fee, but as sure as everyone having arseholes there is always a fan who wasn't bothered to lose player x because they were 'crap anyway'..

 

[Mattspur]

I wonder, if he doesn't qualify as a HG player, will they review the rules. Surly the whole point of the HG rules is to help English players. How short sighted of the FA not to envisage that young English players may get signed up by foreign clubs.

 

[Joycer]

I wonder, if he doesn't qualify as a HG player, will they review the rules. Surly the whole point of the HG rules is to help English players. How short sighted of the FA not to envisage that young English players may get signed up by foreign clubs.

I agree its a stupid when players like Lukaku are counted as home grown, But its not down to the FA.

 

[Mattspur]

The rule was made to promote teams to use their academies to develop players. It accomplishes this.

True, but it was also made to give English players an opportunity to play and benefit the national team.

 

[Yid-ol]

I wonder, if he doesn't qualify as a HG player, will they review the rules. Surly the whole point of the HG rules is to help English players. How short sighted of the FA not to envisage that young English players may get signed up by foreign clubs.

The rule was made to promote teams to use their academies to develop players. It accomplishes this.

 

[Yid-ol]

True, but it was also made to give English players an opportunity to play and benefit the national team.

No it wasnt.

its got nothing to do with where they are from

 

[beats1]

Surely if he is English then he would count as homegrown - as the reason that rule exists is to promote the development of talent for the national team. If he isn't considered homegrown then that sounds like bureaucratic nonsense.

That isn't the point of the homegrown rule, which wasn't started by the FA.

homegrown merely means that they were trained here, for it to count heritage/nationality it would require a rule change/definition change

The point of the homegrown wasn't to promote english players but to promote the use of the their own academies which is why there is a club trained homegrown rule for UEFA. The homegrown wants to improve academies in the countries not the pool of players

If you start including nationality it gets complicated as the fact of the matter is Eric Dier at the moment is neither English or Portaguese in the eyes of FIFA until he plays for the national team in a competitive match,

Its to promote use of the academies

 

[Yid-ol]

The Premier League will introduce a squad cap of 25 players and a quota on home-grown players from next season.

The 20 clubs have agreed the introduction of a home-grown player rule, which will take effect at the start of the 2010/11 campaign.

From next season, clubs must include eight home-grown players out of a squad of 25.‪

A home-grown player will be defined as one who, irrespective of his nationality or age, has been registered with any club affiliated to the Football Association or the Football Association of Wales for a period, continuous or not, of three entire seasons or 36 months prior to his 21st birthday (or the end of the Season during which he turns 21).

Clubs will be able to supplement their squads with unlimited additional players under the age of 21 on 1st January in the year in which the season commences.

Changes to the squad list of 25 may be made during the period of a transfer window.‪

Chief executive Richard Scudamore confirmed: "As of next season clubs will be required to have a squad named of up to 25 players, of which no more than 17 can be over the age of 21 and not home grown. The definition of home grown is trained for three years under the age of 21 by somebody in the English and Welsh professional system”

not home grown.... its really simple

 

[steve]

A wait and see signing. Let's hope he's the real deal.

 

[beats1]

True, but it was also made to give English players an opportunity to play and benefit the national team.

Nope, its been a rule for UEFA competitions for yonks.

Then the FA used it to improve the quality of academies in the UK BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY to limit amount of foreign players coming in to the PL

No PL team would agree to a foreign player quota so they imposed this

 

[Mattspur]

No it wasnt.

Yes it was.

http://www.premierleague.com/en-gb/news/features/home-grown-quota-for-premier-league.html

Premier League chief executive Richard Scudamore believes the England team will ultimately reap the rewards of the ruling which he feels will discourage Clubs from hoarding young, overseas players.

"It's not in the Club's interests to stockpile players," said Scudamore. "It will make buying Home Grown talent more attractive.

"We're not going down the route of a nationality test but what this means is that you can't just buy a team from abroad.

"We think it gives Clubs an exta incentive to invest in youth and we also think one of the benefits of that will be that it will help the England team."

 

[scat1620]

A wait and see signing. Let's hope he's the real deal.

Agreed. We don't know how good he is and we just have to trust that our scouts have called this one correctly: could be a Callum Davenport, could be a Younes Kaboul. Let's hope he turns out to be the latter rather than the former.

 

[Mattspur]

Nope, its been a rule for UEFA competitions for yonks.

Then the FA used it to improve the quality of academies in the UK BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY to limit amount of foreign players coming in to the PL

No PL team would agree to a foreign player quota so they imposed this

The UEFA rule does not affect teams in the PL, it only affects the squads teams submit for UEFA competitions. The PL adopted a similar format for their HG rules but as shown by Scudmore's comments, the National team was very much in the thinking.

 

[Mattspur]

I agree its a stupid when players like Lukaku are counted as home grown, But its not down to the FA.

Sorry, should have said Premier League.

 

[Davious]

Right, so...probably a stupid question but how is 'Dier' pronounced? dyer, deer, dee-eh?

 

[Yid-ol]

Yes it was.

http://www.premierleague.com/en-gb/news/features/home-grown-quota-for-premier-league.html

Premier League chief executive Richard Scudamore believes the England team will ultimately reap the rewards of the ruling which he feels will discourage Clubs from hoarding young, overseas players.

"It's not in the Club's interests to stockpile players," said Scudamore. "It will make buying Home Grown talent more attractive.

"We're not going down the route of a nationality test but what this means is that you can't just buy a team from abroad.

"We think it gives Clubs an exta incentive to invest in youth and we also think one of the benefits of that will be that it will help the England team."

Still means a French kid who has been brought up through the youths is home grown and an english kid who is trained in portugal isnt. And my point was that its to help english players come through... its not, its about bringing though youths from the academy.

also on another point in that quote, I thibk it will encourage teams to hoard youth players from other countries and is doing what they said the didnt want to happen.

 

[Mattspur]

@Yid-ol why the Doh!

They were Scudamore's words, not mine. If you think you know more about the intention of the rules than the man who implemented them there's not much I can say to you.

 

[Mattspur]

Still means a French kid who has been brought up through the youths is home grown and an english kid who is trained in portugal isnt. And my point was that its to help english players come through... its not, its about bringing though youths from the academy.

Which is why my post said "I wonder if they'll look to amend the rule"?

I never said he was HG.

Scudamore disagrees with you.

 

[Mouse!]

I expect to see him interacting with Walker beside him in English, and Paulinho and Sandro ahead of him in Portuguese.

The ability to communicate fluently with our English and Brazilian/Portuguese players really adds an interesting dimension to his game.

Also, I'm told Portuguese speakers tend to be able to understand a lot of Spanish, but Spanish speakers struggle with understanding Portuguese.

 

[Mattspur]

also on another point in that quote, I thibk it will encourage teams to hoard youth players from other countries and is doing what they said the didnt want to happen.

I know. He couldn't have been more wrong if he tried.