Everton Vs Tottenham: Match Thread

[JamieDaCosta]

Hope you don't mind but I've stuck that quote in my sig. One of us will have egg on our face come the end of teh season

Haha, I will gladly take a hundred eggs on my face if that turns out to be the case

 

[JamieDaCosta]

I swear Dean Saunders has shaved his head and joined our forum!

If you mean me, im one of the old skool, ive been here since 2003!

 

[JamieDaCosta]

Soldado is in the top 10 goalscorers (tied with Rooney and higher than Aguero) in European football over the past 5 years. You appear to be basing your opinion on him purely on 9 matches, which seems a bit odd.

Scoring goals in Spain and scoring them in England are 2 totally different propositions, as he has shown so far

As ive said, its not the goals, its his lack of movement and desire that I really don't appreciate

 

[Blake Griffin]

soldado is a flop and will remain a flop until the team is set up to provide for him. a lot of spurs tinted specs in here, if liverpool had paid £26m for a 28yr old striker who'd scored once from open play all season and touched the ball about as many times as millions he cost, then we'd all be laughing at the silly scousers.

 

[JamieDaCosta]

soldado is a flop and will remain a flop until the team is set up to provide for him. a lot of spurs tinted specs in here, if liverpool had paid £26m for a 28yr old striker who'd scored once from open play all season and touched the ball about as many times as millions he cost, then we'd all be laughing at the silly scousers.

Of course I half agree with your post, and you are so on the money when you say people have their rose tinted glasses on

But in terms of his movement, it needs to be a lot better as well as his work rate off the ball, that and the service he gets will go hand in hand

Once, of if, he improves on this then I reckon things will start to happen

People only need to look at his superb goal against Villa as a demonstration of what HE should be doing in order to get his goals

 

[Mr Pink]

If you mean me, im one of the old skool, ive been here since 2003!

I know mate, was only messing!!!!

 

[JamieDaCosta]

I know mate, was only messing!!!!

Haha, I dont have as big a chin as Deany and I also have a neck!

 

[TheSecretNonFootballer]

Of course I half agree with your post, and you are so on the money when you say people have their rose tinted glasses on

But in terms of his movement, it needs to be a lot better as well as his work rate off the ball, that and the service he gets will go hand in hand

Once, of if, he improves on this then I reckon things will start to happen

People only need to look at his superb goal against Villa as a demonstration of what HE should be doing in order to get his goals

There isn't anything wrong with his movement. The Villa goal came from a poor defensive header from their defender which gave us an opportunity to press them high up the pitch. Something that has been extremely rare so far this season as we're normally having to try to break down 9 players in their own half.

 

[-Afri-Coy-]

Haha, I dont have as big a chin as Deany and I also have a neck!

Russia's toughest called, the need their Vinny back. stop trolling everyone Soldado is class he is dealing with a dip in form. He smashed 3 pens for us and one goal from open play in 9 games. That's a strike rate of just below 50%. Not bad at all for the service he has had in some of those games.

 

[Blake Griffin]

Russia's toughest called, the need their Vinny back. stop trolling everyone Soldado is class he is dealing with a dip in form. He smashed 3 pens for us and one goal from open play in 9 games. That's a strike rate of just below 50%. Not bad at all for the service he has had in some of those games.

i don't think he's dealing with a dip in form, this is soldado and this is what you get. if the supply continues to be this poor over the next 28 games then soldado will remain the same.

 

[JamieDaCosta]

There isn't anything wrong with his movement. The Villa goal came from a poor defensive header from their defender which gave us an opportunity to press them high up the pitch. Something that has been extremely rare so far this season as we're normally having to try to break down 9 players in their own half.

There is, its non existent

It also came from him working hard to retrieve the ball and playing a one two whilst making a run, check it again if need be

 

[JamieDaCosta]

Russia's toughest called, the need their Vinny back. stop trolling everyone Soldado is class he is dealing with a dip in form. He smashed 3 pens for us and one goal from open play in 9 games. That's a strike rate of just below 50%. Not bad at all for the service he has had in some of those games.

Trolling???

So giving my opinion is trolling, nope, it aint

He has been no where good enough and thats the bottom line

 

[TheSecretNonFootballer]

There is, its non existent

It also came from him working hard to retrieve the ball and playing a one two whilst making a run, check it again if need be

Just because he isn't getting the ball, it hardly means the movement is non existent. If so, Defoe didn't move at all last night.

That isn't how it works.

I've seen it plenty. The header dropped and the ball came back in his direction. That isn't hard work, that's seeing an opportunity and taking it.

 

[JamieDaCosta]

Just because he isn't getting the ball, it hardly means the movement is non existent. If so, Defoe didn't move at all last night.

That isn't how it works.

I've seen it plenty. The header dropped and the ball came back in his direction. That isn't hard work, that's seeing an opportunity and taking it.

Did he not work hard to retrieve the ball and play a one two then.....

If you show yourself and work hard, you will inevitably get the ball, thats how it works

 

[TheSecretNonFootballer]

Did he not work hard to retrieve the ball and play a one two then.....

If you show yourself and work hard, you will inevitably get the ball, thats how it works

He did, but when the ball is only a few yards away he's not exactly busting a gut. I fear you're confusing hard work with relentless running to try to win the ball back or to make yourself available. While that can be useful, it often leaves you massively out of position and while we have few runs ahead of the striker, that is of no use to us.

 

[Syn_13]

i don't think he's dealing with a dip in form, this is soldado and this is what you get. if the supply continues to be this poor over the next 28 games then soldado will remain the same.

As much as I'm a big fan of Soldado, and would still rather have him lead the line over Defoe and Adebayor any day of the week, I'm inclined to agree with this. I watch a lot of teams play the type of football that allows them to get in behind the opposition defence and whip a ball in for the striker, or create enough movement up front to create that gap for the striker to run into and then feed a lovely ball through. It's something we really don't know how to do. We may, however, be a lot better defensively and a lot more resilient than these teams, but we certainly aren't as creative.

Soldado is a classic number 9. Feed him the ball and he'll score. Watch the goals he's scored for Valencia and you'll see that most of the time he's finishing off things in moves created by others. He's the player at the end of the move and some of the finishes he makes are superb. I do think he is working hard though. It's a very different game than the one he's been used to and he's got to push himself if he wants to be a success here.

The way we're currently playing is with a high line, pushing us well into the opposition half, and dominating the game physically. Keeping the ball but not necessarily moving it around quickly (I don't think many of our players are mentally sharp enough to move the ball around quicker, which is a huge problem for us). The only kind of striker who would be effective for us here would be a Tevez or Suarez like player. A busy fuck who will be an utter nuisance both on and off the ball. We don't have that kind of player in our squad, unfortunately. I think Soldado would've been better under the previous, more gung-ho, approach that Redknapp employed. I don't think that approach is any better than the way AVB does it though, as we certainly leaked goals at times, and I do prefer AVB as a coach than Redknapp.

I guess it's just that we still need time to work things out. We need to see more inventive play, creating chances like the one against Villa, in order to get our money's worth out of Soldado.

 

[TEESSIDE1]

Scoring goals in Spain and scoring them in England are 2 totally different propositions, as he has shown so far

As ive said, its not the goals, its his lack of movement and desire that I really don't appreciate

What? Lack of movement and desire? You're confusing him with Defoe.

 

[JamieDaCosta]

What? Lack of movement and desire? You're confusing him with Defoe.

Its probably best I dont reply to this properly