Everton Vs Tottenham: Match Thread

[JamieDaCosta]

Your implication that Defoe is better than Soldado (from your other posts) leads me to ask if you are being serious or not.

Obviously

But if people think Soldado is better than Defoe then some serious questions need to be asked

 

[alfie103]

Obviously

But if people think Soldado is better than Defoe then some serious questions need to be asked

What needs to be asked. Defoe has had ample time to prove that he can be the main striker but he hasn't. He isn't intelligent, he is a poor footballer, he's quite selfish and even his finishing isn't that good. Soldado isn't going to be someone who beats players and smash 25 yard volleys in. It isn't his game. His game is about making runs and finishing chances. I think you can count on one hand the one on ones Soldado has had and against Villa, his finish was superb. If we aren't being creative enough to be feed Soldado, then it is our creative players fault.

 

[JamieDaCosta]

What needs to be asked. Defoe has had ample time to prove that he can be the main striker but he hasn't. He isn't intelligent, he is a poor footballer, he's quite selfish and even his finishing isn't that good. Soldado isn't going to be someone who beats players and smash 25 yard volleys in. It isn't his game. His game is about making runs and finishing chances. I think you can count on one hand the one on ones Soldado has had and against Villa, his finish was superb. If we aren't being creative enough to be feed Soldado, then it is our creative players fault.

Soldado hardly moves, he makes zero effort to make angles for players to play the ball to him or get into the required positions nor does he work hard and tow the line, if you think that is good enough then well, Ill say no more

 

[alfie103]

Soldado hardly moves, he makes zero effort to make angles for players to play the ball to him or get into the required positions nor does he work hard and tow the line, if you think that is good enough then well, Ill say no more

And you think Defoe does? Soldado does make runs when the opportunity arises and he puts as much effort in as defoe. Defoe just isn't good enough to get us challenging for honours. Doesn't mean he is rubbish but I don't think he has the skillset to be an effective striker for us.

 

[davidmatzdorf]

Neither of the extreme, stereotyped opposing views on Defoe and Soldado reflect what they actually do, because they reduce the footballing styles of two very good strikers to caricatures of themselves.

What they have in common is that they require teammates to play them in, to get the ball into positions where Defoe/Soldado can put it in the net. Defoe benefits greatly from a much larger strike partner, who can occupy the attention of defenders so there are gaps - in time as well as in space - for Defoe to control the ball and shoot. Soldado wants a steady supply of balls into the box, so he can use his ability to drift a few paces off the defender and apply a first-touch finish.

What they also have in common at present is that our attacking players are not getting the ball into the right areas, so neither of them has been flourishing in the tight, tough Premiership matches. Defoe is doing fine in the cups, but that's because the gaps he needs are already there, as a result of the opposition defending with less ability.

They're both good at what they do and neither of them has been getting much of a chance to do it in recent league matches.

 

[JamieDaCosta]

And you think Defoe does? Soldado does make runs when the opportunity arises and he puts as much effort in as defoe. Defoe just isn't good enough to get us challenging for honours. Doesn't mean he is rubbish but I don't think he has the skillset to be an effective striker for us.

We're just going back and forth here but yes, Defoe's movement is far superior to Soldado's

Anyway, I thought you were of the same school of thought where by you didnt rate Soldado??? How come you're sticking up for him all of a sudden?

 

[JamieDaCosta]

People have a short memory

Doesn't anyone remember the way Defoe lead the line superbly in the first half of last season before his injury?

Not only was he scoring goals but he was bringing others into play and holding the ball up pretty well despite his lack of height

Bale and Lennon either side of Defoe were all working superbly together with Defoe up top on his own

 

[easley91]

People have a short memory

Doesn't anyone remember the way Defoe lead the line superbly in the first half of last season before his injury?

Not only was he scoring goals but he was bringing others into play and holding the ball up pretty well despite his lack of height

Bale and Lennon either side of Defoe were all working superbly together with Defoe up top on his own

And there's the answer to giving Soldado the chances he craves. Wingers on their natural sides putting crosses into the box and playing the ball back for on rushing midfielders. With inverted wingers, that would fall onto the attacking full backs (Walker and Rose once he is back).

 

[JamieDaCosta]

And there's the answer to giving Soldado the chances he craves. Wingers on their natural sides putting crosses into the box and playing the ball back for on rushing midfielders. With inverted wingers, that would fall onto the attacking full backs (Walker and Rose once he is back).

Apologies for the delayed reply mate but whilst I get what you mean I still don't think Soldado does enough for me

 

[only1waddle]

We're just going back and forth here but yes, Defoe's movement is far superior to Soldado's

Anyway, I thought you were of the same school of thought where by you didnt rate Soldado??? How come you're sticking up for him all of a sudden?

It's really not, you have judged Soldado on a handful of games, with Soldado on the pitch there is a much better chance of him doing something intelligent, with Defoe, well, there is not much chance of him doing something intelligent.

 

[JamieDaCosta]

It's really not, you have judged Soldado on a handful of games, with Soldado on the pitch there is a much better chance of him doing something intelligent, with Defoe, well, there is not much chance of him doing something intelligent.

Soldado hardly moves and doesnt work for the ball when he hasnt got it, Defoe does both of these things, if you cant see that then im not sure what to suggest?

 

[only1waddle]

Soldado hardly moves and doesnt work for the ball when he hasnt got it, Defoe does both of these things, if you cant see that then im not sure what to suggest?

Really not sure what you have been watching but there have been a ton of games over the years where Defoe has done bugger all, or do they not count?

 

[JamieDaCosta]

Really not sure what you have been watching but there have been a ton of games over the years where Defoe has done bugger all, or do they not count?

Of course, he has had poor games in the past but even in those games he has shown more of a desire than Soldado does, which is kinda what im trying to say

 

[only1waddle]

Of course, he has had poor games in the past but even in those games he has shown more of a desire than Soldado does, which is kinda what im trying to say

Some of Defoe's poor games have resulted in him having touches of the ball in single figures, over 90 minutes, how is that showing desire, Soldado has had 9 league games, 9, Everton performance was pure frustration, his early games his movement was top class, Everton first half he made some runs that our midfield didn't pick up.
You also talk about desire, well, if Spurs need a goal and a team mate is in space, and Defoe has a chance to shoot through 4 defenders then i know which option he will pick, the selfish stupid option.

 

[JamieDaCosta]

Some of Defoe's poor games have resulted in him having touches of the ball in single figures, over 90 minutes, how is that showing desire, Soldado has had 9 league games, 9, Everton performance was pure frustration, his early games his movement was top class, Everton first half he made some runs that our midfield didn't pick up.
You also talk about desire, well, if Spurs need a goal and a team mate is in space, and Defoe has a chance to shoot through 4 defenders then i know which option he will pick, the selfish stupid option.

I reckon Soldado has had less touches in all of his games for us than Defoe has in about 3 or 4, that says it all

Major flop.com/soldado

Its like a new age Postiga or Rebrov, just a whole lot more expensive, in fact, hes actually looked worse than them im very sorry to say

 

[TaoistMonkey]

I reckon Soldado has had less touches in all of his games for us than Defoe has in about 3 or 4, that says it all

Major flop.com/soldado

Its like a new age Postiga or Rebrov, just a whole lot more expensive, in fact, hes actually looked worse than them im very sorry to say

Do you, hand on heart, believe that a striker that was only beaten to top scorer in La Liga by Ronaldo and Messi isn't a good signing for us and is a flop?

 

[TheSecretNonFootballer]

I reckon Soldado has had less touches in all of his games for us than Defoe has in about 3 or 4, that says it all

Major flop.com/soldado

Its like a new age Postiga or Rebrov, just a whole lot more expensive, in fact, hes actually looked worse than them im very sorry to say

Soldado is in the top 10 goalscorers (tied with Rooney and higher than Aguero) in European football over the past 5 years. You appear to be basing your opinion on him purely on 9 matches, which seems a bit odd.

 

[Mr Pink]

I swear Dean Saunders has shaved his head and joined our forum!

 

[TaoistMonkey]

I reckon Soldado has had less touches in all of his games for us than Defoe has in about 3 or 4, that says it all

Major flop.com/soldado

Its like a new age Postiga or Rebrov, just a whole lot more expensive, in fact, hes actually looked worse than them im very sorry to say

Hope you don't mind but I've stuck that quote in my sig. One of us will have egg on our face come the end of teh season

 

[JamieDaCosta]

Do you, hand on heart, believe that a striker that was only beaten to top scorer in La Liga by Ronaldo and Messi isn't a good signing for us and is a flop?

So far, yes, I really do

Id love to eat humble pie and for him to be amazing for us but sadly, that wont be happening