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[canadacelt]

Tottenham Hotspur
* Sunday's goalless 90 minutes v Manchester United followed 11 scoring PL games for Tottenham.
* Tottenham have conceded a goal every 135 minutes with Michael Dawson in the team this season. Without him, they concede every 62 minutes.
* Peter Crouch's pass completion rate of 32% v United was the worst of any Premier League starter this weekend.

Some impact Dawson makes on our team! Pretty damning in regards to Crouch, only stats for one game mind you, but combined with his lack of goals it's not looking good for him

http://www.football365.com/story/0,17033,8750_6669175,00.html

 

[robbiesavagehasbreasts]

Crouch is an option and should never be anything else. He's a great player to have in your squad. He's different and gives you a plan B.

But he should never be your number 1 striker.

 

[voodoo]

Dawson is the new "King" in all sense if the word.
Long live the "Dawson" lol

 

[crywolf]

Tottenham Hotspur
* Peter Crouch's pass completion rate of 32% v United was the worst of any Premier League starter this weekend.

So...
- More than 2 out of 3 passes didn't go to a team mate.
- Lost every single header bar one (which he headed straight up in the air, for ManU to then win the ball)
- Offers no goal threat at all.


People say he works hard. But is that really enough to keep him in the squad (let alone starting), over a striker who at least scores goals every now and then (Pavluchencko)?

 

[Ron Burgundy]

In fairness to Crouch, he was up against arguably the best defender in the league

That being said (and this will come as no surprise) his position is easily the weakest in the side

Defoe, while he might not add the height that Crouchy has, should blatantly start ahead of him

 

[Ron Burgundy]

As for Daws, his detractors often highlight the same sort of shortcomings:

- slow on the turn
- lacks pace
- at times clumsy
- hits too many long passes

...All of which are to some extent true. But what he brings ot the side is leadership, determination, organisation and true grit. He's also feckin awesome in the air.

Those stats say it all. It's surely not all down to him, but they can't be ignored

 

[nailsy]

So...
- More than 2 out of 3 passes didn't go to a team mate.
- Lost every single header bar one (which he headed straight up in the air, for ManU to then win the ball)
- Offers no goal threat at all.


People say he works hard. But is that really enough to keep him in the squad (let alone starting), over a striker who at least scores goals every now and then (Pavluchencko)?

The problem seems to be that Harry doesn't know what sort of shift Pav will put in. At least with Crouch he knows what he will get and that he will do what he's asked to do (or at least try to). I'm sure now Defoe's back he'll be given a few games to try to forge a partnership with VDV.

Dawson is the new "King" in all sense if the word.
Long live the "Dawson" lol

Such a shame Dawson was injured. We'd be a couple of places higher in the table if he'd been fit all season.

 

[danielneeds]

As for Daws, his detractors often highlight the same sort of shortcomings:

- slow on the turn
- lacks pace
- at times clumsy
- hits too many long passes

...All of which are to some extent true. But what he brings ot the side is leadership, determination, organisation and true grit. He's also feckin awesome in the air.

Those stats say it all. It's surely not all down to him, but they can't be ignored

Don't worry, Bus Conductor will surely try to...:grin:

 

[michaelden]

As for Daws, his detractors often highlight the same sort of shortcomings:

- slow on the turn
- lacks pace
- at times clumsy
- hits too many long passes

...All of which are to some extent true. But what he brings ot the side is leadership, determination, organisation and true grit. He's also feckin awesome in the air.

Those stats say it all. It's surely not all down to him, but they can't be ignored

I used to be one but I am slowly coming round and I can now see the difference he makes at the back

 

[AlexBenjamin]

Such a shame Dawson was injured. We'd be a couple of places higher in the table if he'd been fit all season.

Same could be said of Defoe.

Freaking England duty

 

[TwoSaintsComeMarching]

Someone needs to send that Crouchy stat to Harry..

 

[brendanb50]

In fairness to Crouch, he was up against arguably the best defender in the league

That being said (and this will come as no surprise) his position is easily the weakest in the side

Defoe, while he might not add the height that Crouchy has, should blatantly start ahead of him

This.

Crouch can win things in the end. He's just massively weaker than Vidic, who would beat the vast majority of the Prem's strikers either in the air or a physical battle.

 

[JonnySpurs]

There's an old saying in the NFL, "stats are for losers". Now that's tough for me cos I quite like stats, ha! However, this pass completion stat for Crouch is pointless and means very little.

I can barely remember Peter having to make a pass on Sunday cos all we really did was lob the ball up to him all game. Had we been playing it to feet over and over for him to hold up and lay off then I'd be alarmed by a 30% pass completion, but we all know that didn't happen.

Crouch is not our best striker, sure, but he's got a lot of assissts, goals in europe and adds something others don't.

Pav has fantastic ability and can score lovely goals but he is easily the most inconsistent player in our squad, still hasn't learnt english and I'd argue maybe lacks a certain degree of mental strength.

Defoe has been unlucky with injury and suspension but the fact of the matter is, he's our best striker and so should be starting every week.......possibly depending on the opponent. Vidic and Rio tend to thrive against big men, I think they'd have had a lot more trouble with JD on Sunday as neither are quick anymore, namely Rio and JD could've had a lot of joy.

 

[crywolf]

This.

Crouch can win things in the end. He's just massively weaker than Vidic, who would beat the vast majority of the Prem's strikers either in the air or a physical battle.

That doesn't explain his terrible pass rate.

Not only did he lose all headers to Vidic, but he couldn't even do anything when he had the ball at feet - and that's Crouch's fault, not Vidic.

 

[Bus-Conductor]

Using team stats like this is completely meaningless and bogus, unless you accompany it with some genuine evidence of what Dawson is bringing to the clean sheet over and above what the other players in the team aren't and also providing the same stats for everyone.

For example Dawson has played in only 9 of our 22 games. Of those 9, 6 have been home games. Of those 9 games 8 have been against teams lower than us in the table.

In 3 of those games alone he had both Palacios and Huddlestone (our two most defensive CM's) playing in front. And in a further 5 Palacios played (our best DM).

Where many of the other CB's partnerships have had a combination of Jenas/Modric/Hudd - all less proficient at protecting the defence individually and as pairs. We also went through a phase - without Dawson - of playing a very "open" brand of football, which it seems Rdknapp ditched somewhat at around the same time as Dawson returned.

For example with Palacios on the pitch we concede a goal every 120 minutes, without Palacios we concede every 73 minutes. With Modric in the side we concede a goal every 77mins, without every 90. So are we a worse team with Modric ? Of course not, it's bollocks to apply team stats to a single player in this way without qualifying it with a shit load of evidence as to why that player would effect the stats that way. And in Dawson's case it's a fucking myth because no-one has ever been able to say that he is super proficient at anything overall, over and above people like Kaboul, Bassong and certainly not King or Gallas.

As for Crouch, Sunday's game was an exception as far as Crouch is concerned. Crouch's seasonal pass completion percentage is 63%. When you factor in that probably 40 percent of that figure is gleaned from him having no choice but to head the ball because someone has kicked it in the air, his completion stat for actual passing would probably be more like the 80-85% mark. When you also factor in that he sees per minute three times as much of the ball as Defoe (Crouch sees the ball every 2.88 minutes, Defoe 6.94, Pav 3.83) you realise that Sunday's game was by a long, long way an exception when it comes to Crouch's usual contribution.

 

[Kyras]

All I know is that now when I see Dawson at the back with Kaboul or Gallas I am confident that we'll defend well. What a difference three years make. I always liked them both, but back then they needed King alongside one of them to hold their hand, they've both come into their own.

I also feel that they compliment each other wonderfully, Kaboul being more of a King in style, and Dawson being more of a Woodgate, although Dawson is a better footballer than he's given credit for IMO.

 

[gibbs131]

Using team stats like this is completely meaningless and bogus, unless you accompany it with some genuine evidence of what Dawson is bringing to the clean sheet over and above what the other players in the team aren't and also providing the same stats for everyone.

For example Dawson has played in only 9 of our 22 games. Of those 9, 6 have been home games. Of those 9 games 8 have been against teams lower than us in the table.

In 3 of those games alone he had both Palacios and Huddlestone (our two most defensive CM's) playing in front. And in a further 5 Palacios played (our best DM).

Where many of the other CB's partnerships have had a combination of Jenas/Modric/Hudd - all less proficient at protecting the defence individually and as pairs. We also went through a phase - without Dawson - of playing a very "open" brand of football, which it seems Rdknapp ditched somewhat at around the same time as Dawson returned.

For example with Palacios on the pitch we concede a goal every 120 minutes, without Palacios we concede every 73 minutes. With Modric in the side we concede a goal every 77mins, without every 90. So are we a worse team with Modric ? Of course not, it's bollocks to apply team stats to a single player in this way without qualifying it with a shit load of evidence as to why that player would effect the stats that way. And in Dawson's case it's a fucking myth because no-one has ever been able to say that he is super proficient at anything overall, over and above people like Kaboul, Bassong and certainly not King or Gallas.

As for Crouch, Sunday's game was an exception as far as Crouch is concerned. Crouch's seasonal pass completion percentage is 63%. When you factor in that probably 40 percent of that figure is gleaned from him having no choice but to head the ball because someone has kicked it in the air, his completion stat for actual passing would probably be more like the 80-85% mark. When you also factor in that he sees per minute three times as much of the ball as Defoe (Crouch sees the ball every 2.88 minutes, Defoe 6.94, Pav 3.83) you realise that Sunday's game was by a long, long way an exception when it comes to Crouch's usual contribution.

I agree Palacios is a factor. But I think it is the combo of Daws and Palacios that is the key. It's a stong spine.

As for Modders: When he was out with a broken leg, Defoe got to the top of the scoring charts in Dec. When Modric came back, Defoe scored about 4 Prem goals in 13 months.

Modders gives us possession. But it is a little toothless. People blaming Crouch need to realize the service he was given was beyond predictable. Yes he had a good defender on him, but none of the crosses were out of the blue. They were patient build up and the defense had plenty of time to set itself.

We took it the same route time and time again: Modric neat passing to Bale or Lennon. Bale or Lennon beats a man, gets to the goal line, crosses it in. It is this build up that is our enemy and negates our main plus points: Blinding speed down the flanks.

Modric, Lennon and Bale need to go more direct when it's not working out to Crouch. And they also need to read Defoes game better. Because I don't think our strikers are 100% to blame for the awful goals return. I think it's the midfield not giving our strikeforce the delivery they require.

Take Huttons crossing: You never know what he is going to do next. Hutton whips it in from strange angles, or tries to beat a man inside, rather than run to the goal line. A chaotic cross, is better than a good cross, because they don;t have their defensive ducks in a row. And the next second, Hutton can drop his shoulder and he's beaten a path to goal on his own to shoot.

When Kranj was fit, it was this chaos in attack that led to him getting so many goals and assists in a handful of games last year. It's not pretty, but it's unpredictable.

I mean look at the Crouch Defoe partnership at Portsmouth. They had Kranj and co setting them up the right way.

So I don't blame Crouch and Defoe 100%. I think the midfield have to field some of the blame for giving him the record for most offsides in one season last year. They are just not reading his game.

 

[Damian99]

He's now posting stats that count the amount of times crouch touches the ball per minutes and suggests crouch see's three times more of that ball than Defoe during a game?? Like thats some great deal lol.

I would really like to know crouch's goals/Minutes ratio in the league this season, now that would be an eye opener.

Crouch has been shit for the most part this season in the league and BC posts stats to try and paint the complete opposite picture to what is actual reality.

And as for Dawson only playing 9 games and 6 at home and 8 of the 9 against teams below us, well guess what einstein there isn't that many above us. And two of those were against Chelsea and Man United in which we only conceded one goal due to a poor goalkeeping error and against Manure we never really looked like conceding. He cannot find stats to back up what he says about Dawson and nor can he say we concede more when he plays. Just his boring and tiresome opinion which is quite frankly bollox. The bloke would give an aspirin a headache.

 

[Ron Burgundy]

A chaotic cross, is better than a good cross, because they don;t have their defensive ducks in a row. And the next second, Hutton can drop his shoulder and he's beaten a path to goal on his own to shoot.

You come up with some absolute rubbish Gibbs

 

[gibbs131]

You come up with some absolute rubbish Gibbs

So how can you explain that Defoe and Crouch had a good goal return at Portsmouth, when we have a much better midfield in comparison?

They had the same manager...

By the way, the people on Blue Moon (who wanted us to win) were saying the same thing. That we were way too predictable in attack.