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Federico Chiesa

olliec

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Juventus said he’s back to his best and not for sale anymore. He was transfer listed before apparently, but I guess with right offer who knows?
 

djhotspur

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Juventus said he’s back to his best and not for sale anymore. He was transfer listed before apparently, but I guess with right offer who knows?
Where did you see this? Yeah I was sure he was transfer listed. But annoying if they’ve changed their mind. Richie and big money for the two of them would work
 

fecka

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Not been even remotely the same player since his big injury. Would be a massive risk at likely a massive fee.
Hope we're looking somewhere else personally
 

Flobadob

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Where did you see this? Yeah I was sure he was transfer listed. But annoying if they’ve changed their mind. Richie and big money for the two of them would work
That deal would be so ideal. Son could rotate with Vlahovic when needed and we’d actually have a proper winger in Chiesa. Big upgrades at both ST and LW
 

Johnny J

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The only reason we'd be able to get him is he's not the same player post injury. No thanks.
 

HildoSpur

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Yes please, unbelievable player - yes concerns about his injury and recovery but a risk worth taking without a doubt. Top, top class player and would instantly be one of the best in the league.
 

robotsonic

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If he's genuinely not the same player and there's no idea of how and if he'll ever get back to being the same player after his injury...this seems like a bad idea, lest us get stuck with a player on huge wages and a big contract
 

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It takes a good year after "recovering" from an ACL injury before players start potentially getting back to their best. The mental side Is really hard too. Anyone that's done it here will know that it's hard trusting your body after. He's not lost any pace and it's a big gamble but one that could really pay off. He's just starting to get it back slowly again. Some player before all this. Only a baby aswell.
 

Ghost Hardware

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For what it’s worth he’s apparently spent all summer working hard on getting himself physically completely back in shape and has been looking sharper in pre season. He’s been one of their stand out players which is probably why they are no longer looking to sell him (supposedly). They are no longer playing him as a LW but as a second striker in a 2 up top along with Dusan. Juve have change formation to a 352.

I think the ITK made it sound like it was unlikely to happen and I also don’t see Juve selling both their primary attackers but he does look like he’s getting back to his old self.

For those concerned about another LW he’s actually played more as a RW through his career, is very two footed (although primary right) and is incredibly versatile. He even played CF at times for Fiorentina.

Juve do still need money, especially if they want to bring players in. The whole situation last year really set the back a lot and they already had financial issues due to some ludicrously huge contracts. But I don’t think this will happen unfortunately. From the sound of the ITK Dusan is our top target out of these two. I do hope he gets back to his best tho as he is a magnificent player.

For anyone interested there is solid doc on Amazon Prime called Chiesa : Back On Track which follows him recovering from his injury. He comes across well in it and very driven. He clearly wants to get back to best.
 

fecka

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Also, one of the main reasons for me being against Chiesa is actually the football we're playing now.

Chiesa is a winger/inside forward who excels when he has space to run against defenders, especially on counter attacks, a bit like Son. We've seen how much the latter struggles against packed defences and I'm afraid Chiesa would do the same in contrast to the likes of Solomon or Doku who might lose a lengthy foot race but excel in tight spaces and beating their man from almost a standstill.

I think that's a big reason as to why City are linked to Doku instead of, for example, Chiesa. As we're switching to a possession team, Chiesa just won't get the space to make his abilities shine. Ironically, Chiesa would likely have been absolutely fire under Conte however.
 

Johnny J

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It takes a good year after "recovering" from an ACL injury before players start potentially getting back to their best. The mental side Is really hard too. Anyone that's done it here will know that it's hard trusting your body after. He's not lost any pace and it's a big gamble but one that could really pay off. He's just starting to get it back slowly again. Some player before all this. Only a baby aswell.
That may well be true, but I don't think we should be taking "big gambles" with huge money signings coming off the back of hge injuries. There are plenty of players out there who are less of a risk in this sense.
 

Roberts84

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Also, one of the main reasons for me being against Chiesa is actually the football we're playing now.

Chiesa is a winger/inside forward who excels when he has space to run against defenders, especially on counter attacks, a bit like Son. We've seen how much the latter struggles against packed defences and I'm afraid Chiesa would do the same in contrast to the likes of Solomon or Doku who might lose a lengthy foot race but excel in tight spaces and beating their man from almost a standstill.

I think that's a big reason as to why City are linked to Doku instead of, for example, Chiesa. As we're switching to a possession team, Chiesa just won't get the space to make his abilities shine. Ironically, Chiesa would likely have been absolutely fire under Conte however.
What stood out to me in yesterday’s match was the lack of movement up front to create space. I can’t confess to having watch loads of Chiesa but when I did watch a a few matches a couple of years ago he was playing against stubborn and well drilled defences that sat back and his movement off the ball and on the ball was brilliant to create opportunities. He’s a lot more than just a winger with pace. Brilliant footballer. Also, I know we we now have more possession, that doesn’t mean we won’t move the ball quicker and be direct when we need to be.
 

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That may well be true, but I don't think we should be taking "big gambles" with huge money signings coming off the back of hge injuries. There are plenty of players out there who are less of a risk in this sense.
I agree. Absolutely horrific injury too. Hope he regains his form. What a player.
 
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fecka

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What stood out to me in yesterday’s match was the lack of movement up front to create space. I can’t confess to having watch loads of Chiesa but when I did watch a a few matches a couple of years ago he was playing against stubborn and well drilled defences that sat back and his movement off the ball and on the ball was brilliant to create opportunities. He’s a lot more than just a winger with pace. Brilliant footballer. Also, I know we we now have more possession, that doesn’t mean we won’t move the ball quicker and be direct when we need to be.

Could of course be a result of Allegri, but he's been largely ineffective under Allegri outside of counter attacks. Not to mention, he hasn't really reached his previous heights in general since he tore his ACL.

Has a sweet strike and is good off the ball, but to me he'd likely face the same difficulties as Son is currently facing out on the wing while being unlikely to do much better.
 

Kingellesar

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Yeah not sure we would want to drop the sort of money they would want on him after that injury. If it was low fee or maybe a loan with obligation if certain conditions were met, it might be worth it.

Think Vlahovic is the better option for us though.
 

SpartanSpur

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That may well be true, but I don't think we should be taking "big gambles" with huge money signings coming off the back of hge injuries. There are plenty of players out there who are less of a risk in this sense.

I guess the only think with the likes of Fati or Chiesa is that were it not for those injuries they would be way out of our reach. I'd understand the club taking a gamble on either for sure.
 

Johnny J

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I guess the only think with the likes of Fati or Chiesa is that were it not for those injuries they would be way out of our reach. I'd understand the club taking a gamble on either for sure.
They would indeed be out of our reach without those horrendous injuries, but that's not a reason to buy them; there's a reason the clubs are willing to sell. It's like buying at a sale: you're not saving money if you don't actually need what you're buying, or if it's not fit for purpose.

Obviously will support anyone who comes in but these aren't players who've just gone out of form; they come with huge red flags.
 
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