FORMER Manager Watch: Nuno Espírito Santo

[Serpico]

Patience is thin but Nuno needs to be given the season. Next summer with a plan and a laxative we can move on afresh with a new coach (if he's seen to be useless). An injection of some new players and Kane/Ndombele/Alli can finally PO.
The team is a little bit bipolar at the moment. When its good it's not bad. When its bad is shite. Consistency is key but not sure if this is possible — old dog new tricks. Patience is called for otherwise it will all go wrong and quick.

 

[Serpico]

Graham Taylor loose quote goes something like:
When we win the manager is not as good as we think he is and when we lose he's not as bad.
This is how we need to look at it.

 

[spursfan77]

Graham Taylor loose quote goes something like:
When we win the manager is not as good as we think he is and when we lose he's not as bad.
This is how we need to look at it.

I watched the “do I not like that” documentary again yesterday and it was so obvious why he failed with England and whilst I was watching it I couldn’t help think of Nuno. The clips of him talking to the squad were full of mixed messages and he was so negative about every situation. He was terrible at motivating. I just thought the players looked devoid of any direction. A bit like we do now. Probably unfair on both men but it just looked like a man out of his depth in Taylor. Much like how I imagine Nuno with our players.

Worth a watch for anyone who hasn’t seen it. Was on Channel 4.

 

[jolsnogross]

So in that case why appoint him ? and next why sack him unless you have a VERY clear idea as to who the next incumbent is going to be ?
It's a very strange situation and I have no issue in stating that I feel for him trying to do a job that a seeming majority aren't willing to give him the chance to do. For the record I would not have appointed him but he is the current manager of Tottenham Hotspur football club and I will not stop hoping that he finds solutions and wins people over.

What solutions is he trying to find though? What personality does he want this team to have. He does close to fuck all proactive game management and appears to not have a couple of key game managers in the team. He treats interviews like a legal requirement not to share classified information. His teams go whole halves of football, or even games, without creating a single chance.

I think plenty of people would get behind him if there was something to get behind. But what is the fucking point of Nuno at Spurs. It isnt to embrace "to dare is to do" based on evidence so far. And what's the the point of this team? "To find solutions" isn't even close to a good enough answer.

Here's a suggestion: Go on the attack way more often. Get shots off. Stop keeping so many men behind the ball in possession. Show some urgency.

Or resign and go elsewhere because this is a waste of everyone's time.

 

[Hakkz]

Graham Taylor loose quote goes something like:
When we win the manager is not as good as we think he is and when we lose he's not as bad.
This is how we need to look at it.

Great quote from someone who didn't accomplish anything either.

 

[Matthew]

There was itk that levy went for him a few times during those 10 weeks but never pulled the trigger on him.
I never thought I would say this but maybe that prick Jamie redknapp was right when he said that the only person levy listens to is the last person he spoke to, would help to explain the shit show of the summer where he set the club back several years by not being able to decide on a manager and ended up with Nuno....... Jaysus how bad are things when I'm seeing logic in what Jamie has said, you've done this to me levy

this is waht i keep coming back to, alright it may have been paratici's choice, but levy has eyes! he should have vetoed the approach, every man and his dog could tell you it was going to end up the way it has, but unfortunately - he's here till the summer, and there's nothing we can do about it.

think we will beat burnley tonight to paper over the cracks, and utd will smash us on the weekend!

 

[Monkey boy]

I didn’t, I was more than willing to give him a chance. I posted numerous articles about the good times he had at Wolves and what a good person he is. But I can see it’s not working. I was positive after the Watford game and tried to convince that we’d turned a corner after the Villa and Newcastle games. But we aren’t at the bottom (or near the bottom) of every single positive metric possible by accident and I have been around long enough to know when it isn’t going to work for a manager. This is it. We will get beaten by any competent team but beat the dross. Its not good enough I’m afraid.

Yeah to be fair to you I remember you posting those articles although correct me if I’m wrong but it felt it was more you trying to convince yourself that he was an ok Manager rather than genuinely being excited about him coming in. Much like when you think of all the ways that a Wetherspoons steak is just as good value as a Gaucho’s prime cut.

 

[Matthew]

The poor guy hasn't got a chance has he ? It seems as though everyone has already made their mind up.

i mean he hasn't helped himself. In the unveiling interview he got a lot of people on board with the way he spoke, saying about a style of football etc, and he's just not shown ANY of it, it was clearly a interview written by someone to appease the fans, with no intention of playing the "tottenham way"

he's been dealt a short straw no doubt, and the players arent good enough, THFC are just a shit show, from the very top all the ay down to the playing squad. Players who thinj they're better than they are & keep posting gym selfies claiming "they're hard at work" etc, a 25goal a season striker who can't be arsed! a magician in midfield who only turns up when he's feeling it - the squad is rotten, the bloke coaching them is rotten, and the guy paying the coaches wages is rotten, and the man paying the man who pays the coach is rotten! the club is fucked!

 

[Matthew]

I completely get the negativity and I too have very very little faith in Nuno being able to take us forward.

However to cut him loose there must be an attainable candidate that will actually get this squad playing. Remember the majority of these players have failed Poch, Jose & seemingly Nuno now. Its clearly a difficult job that requires a specific skillset.

I have less faith in Levy & Paratici being able to secure the right candidate in the middle of a season than I do in Nuno being able to keep us in the top 7-8.

People suggesting getting ETH, Potter, Conte...etc. really??? you need to wake up if you really think any of these are realistic options for us right now.

this is the caveat in the situation, however if we brought someone in who knows how to handle young players ( like a ETH) do what poch did, relegate the trouble makers to the reserves - play the kids like poch did ( bentaleb, mason, kane) and build in each window - sure we wont be in the champions league etc, but as long as we see improvement & and an idea/philosophy that's all we want right?

 

[Trees]

We will finish 6-9th. Succession planning needs to be starting RIGHT now for next Summer.

Will Poch come back with a DoF ? Who is the new manager out there ? Will we resume buying young English talent ? Will Levy move up stairs to a proper chairman role (never) ?

 

[cookiemonster]

Patience is thin but Nuno needs to be given the season. Next summer with a plan and a laxative we can move on afresh with a new coach (if he's seen to be useless). An injection of some new players and Kane/Ndombele/Alli can finally PO.
The team is a little bit bipolar at the moment. When its good it's not bad. When its bad is shite. Consistency is key but not sure if this is possible — old dog new tricks. Patience is called for otherwise it will all go wrong and quick.

Give a season for someone who have no future with us?

 

[Joshua shepherd]

Yeah you’re right, we should sack every manager who hasn’t got us into the top 4 after nine games.

That definitely won’t turn us into a club no manager would touch with a shitty stick.

You keep banging on about us being in 6th place so there’s no justifiable reason for sacking him but what happens if we lose on the weekend and find ourselves in a minimum 9th place. Is that different?

 

[freeeki]

Give a season to someone who have no future with us?

If a plausible long-term solution isn't available at this point, then yes.

What we don't need is another caretaker with no experience. We currently have a caretaker manager in all-but-name. Once people realise that they might stop losing their shit every 20 seconds.

 

[freeeki]

You keep banging on about us being in 6th place so there’s no justifiable reason for sacking him but what happens if we lose on the weekend and find ourselves in a minimum 9th place. Is that different?

Same question to you - what happens if we win and find ourselves in the top 4? Is that different?

Or do you perhaps agree with me that altering strategy on a week by week basis is a bit of a stupid idea anywhere other than on an online message board?

 

[mattspur1]

Pointless saying give him the rest of the season. If he loses the next 3 games he's gone anyway.

 

[freeeki]

Pointless saying give him the rest of the season. If he loses the next 3 games he's gone anyway.

This makes zero sense unless you're already assuming the next 3 games will be defeats

 

[mattspur1]

This makes zero sense unless you're already assuming the next 3 games will be defeats

Of course it does. It could be any 3 games at any time. For that matter it could be 3 games in out next 6. My point being, results will dictate how long he stays. ?

 

[freeeki]

Of course it does. It could be any 3 games at any time. For that matter it could be 3 games in out next 6. My point being, results will dictate how long he stays. ?

Which renders your first point null and void...

 

[mattspur1]

Which renders your first point null and void...

My quote was an example.

Jeez.

 

[Monkey boy]

If a plausible long-term solution isn't available at this point, then yes.

What we don't need is another caretaker with no experience. We currently have a caretaker manager in all-but-name. Once people realise that they might stop losing their shit every 20 seconds.

This is where im at right now. Looking at the evidence especially if the break clause is to be believed i would say he is a Caretaker Manager in every possible way. What its done for me is detach me further away from spurs and football which ill be honest is probably not a bad thing. I used to let defeats and failures get me down for days which for something that i completely out of your control just isnt a healthy way to live. This season ive watched 2 games in real time the rest ive just kept updated via Live Score. After Sundays defeat although i was a little pissed off as i really dislike the spammers i carried on with my day as most normal people do and do you know what it felt good.

The danger / fear is that if this keeps on by the time Nuno is replaced at the end of the season after guiding us to 8th then i will have no desire to come back.