FORMER Manager Watch: Nuno Espírito Santo

[YB123]

Why is everyone so sure that he is just keeping the seat warm until Poch comes back. Didnt he sign a new contract back in August to stick with PSG for another 3 years? Why would he do that if he was in on this Levy master plan?

Money, Security, Chance to manage Messi, Ramos and co.

He isnt going to reject it and say "sorry lads, once Nuno is off from Spurs I'm out of here"

 

[13VanDerBale13]

Yeah you’re right, we should sack every manager who hasn’t got us into the top 4 after nine games.

That definitely won’t turn us into a club no manager would touch with a shitty stick.

If you think the issue is purely based on results then you are either very delusional or blind to the football you are seeing on the pitch.

No decent manager would touch this club anyways, after the countless fuck ups Levy has made, hence why we settled for Nuno …

 

[freeeki]

If you think the issue is purely based on results then you are either very delusional or blind to the football you are seeing on the pitch.

No, I'm not blind to the football I'm seeing.

I'm also not wantonly selective with it.

We've seen some shite performances this season. We've also seen some decent ones.

Those who aren't watching from behind an agenda will - and have - noted that the better performances have been in more recent games, which most take as a positive sign that things can and are improving.

 

[13VanDerBale13]

No, I'm not blind to the football I'm seeing.

I'm also not wantonly selective with it.

We've seen some shite performances this season. We've also seen some decent ones.

Those who aren't watching from behind an agenda will - and have - noted that the better performances have been in more recent games, which most take as a positive sign that things can and are improving.

Improving is having no shots on goal in the second half in our last game ?

Only Norwich have had less shots on target than us this season …

If you call that improving then clearly you are basing it on the wins we’ve picked up, which even then are being outweighed by the losses we are stacking up.

There’s no in between with the club, it’s all good beating the likes of Newcastle & Villa, but in the big games we’ve been atrocious.

 

[freeeki]

Improving is having no shots on goal in the second half in our last game ?

Only Norwich have had less shots on target than us this season …

If you call that improving then clearly you are basing it on the wins we’ve picked up, which even then are being outweighed by the losses we are stacking up.

There’s no in between with the club, it’s all good beating the likes of Newcastle & Villa, but in the big games we’ve been atrocious.

- Games are not won in halfs except on betting sites
- Norwich have had 21 shots on target, which is 20th in the league. We have had 39 shots on target, which is 8th in the league - 1 fewer than both Leicester and Arsenal. Your "shots on target" stat which you're basing many of your judgments on is demonstrably false
- Of our shots on target, 16 - which is 41% - have come in our last 3 games, which clearly substantiates my claim that we are improving, which you refute
- We have 5 wins and 4 losses, which clearly indicates the losses are not outweighing the wins

If you're going to rattle off a bunch of stats, at least spend 20 seconds checking you're not completely wrong first

 

[CoopsieDeadpool]

Ok fair enough but what next in that case ?

Drugs. Lots of drugs.

 

[13VanDerBale13]

- Games are not won in halfs except on betting sites
- Norwich have had 21 shots on target, which is 20th in the league. We have had 39 shots on target, which is 8th in the league - 1 fewer than both Leicester and Arsenal. Your "shots on target" stat which you're basing many of your judgments on is demonstrably false
- Of our shots on target, 16 - which is 41% - have come in our last 3 games, which clearly substantiates my claim that we are improving, which you refute
- We have 5 wins and 4 losses, which clearly indicates the losses are not outweighing the wins

If you're going to rattle off a bunch of stats, at least spend 20 seconds checking you're not completely wrong first

How in any way is this acceptable, he should be hounded out ASAP

?? Continuing to get mugged off ??

If this is what you find acceptable & improving then i honestly don't know what to say.

Anything of a remote improvement on these stats is probably a joyous feeing for you, hence why it feels like you're giving too much credit to what you've seen recently.

Results wise he is doing okay, style wise & longevity wise, he hasn't got a hope of succeeding at the club.

He won't be sacked though unless things get real ugly, Levy is too stubborn to admit his own mistake of hiring him in the first place & going against his own 'principals'.

 

[freeeki]

If this is what you find acceptable & improving then i honestly don't know what to say.

Anything of a remote improvement on these stats is probably a joyous feeing for you, hence why it feels like you're giving too much credit to what you've seen recently.

Results wise he is doing okay, style wise & longevity wise, he hasn't got a hope of succeeding at the club.

He won't be sacked though unless things get real ugly, Levy is too stubborn to admit his own mistake of hiring him in the first place & going against his own 'principals'.

- I haven't claimed I deem our performances decent
- I haven't claimed to derive any joy from the way we've been playing
- I have said there are signs of improvement, which there are, and the data backs this up

I don't think I'm unclear in what I say or how I say it.

I've stated explicitly many times that I don't think Nuno is the manager for us, he's only here as a caretaker, but barring a disaster he shouldn't be sacked while we have no long-term successor identified and secured.

The fact that you, and dozens of others, cannot comprehend any level of nuance, such is your obsession with thinking only in terms of absolutes which leads to pages upon pages of mundane catastrophising, is really fucking tedious at this point.

 

[13VanDerBale13]

- I haven't claimed I deem our performances decent
- I haven't claimed to derive any joy from the way we've been playing
- I have said there are signs of improvement, which there are, and the data backs this up

I don't think I'm unclear in what I say or how I say it.

I've stated explicitly many times that I don't think Nuno is the manager for us, he's only here as a caretaker, but barring a disaster he shouldn't be sacked while we have no long-term successor identified and secured.

The fact that you, and dozens of others, cannot comprehend any level of nuance, such is your obsession with thinking only in terms of absolutes which leads to pages upon pages of mundane catastrophising, is really fucking tedious at this point.

If Nuno is not the manager for us & is only a 'caretaker' why is he still here ? Your logic makes no sense to suggest he shouldn't be sacked if this how you feel about him.

Why prolong the inevitable when we could have just stuck with Mason ? The 'long-term successor' should have been identified & secured in the summer.

The majority of the anger should be at the board for hiring Nuno in the first place, but we all know the board aren't going anywhere, so we just have to accept what we've become, which is a shambles of a club.

 

[freeeki]

If Nuno is not the manager for us & is only a 'caretaker' why is he still here ? Your logic makes no sense to suggest he shouldn't be sacked if this how you feel about him.

Why prolong the inevitable when we could have just stuck with Mason ? The 'long-term successor' should have been identified & secured in the summer.

The majority of the anger should be at the board for hiring Nuno in the first place, but we all know the board aren't going anywhere, so we just have to accept what we've become, which is a shambles of a club.

- Because we clearly don't have a long-term successor identified and secured
- Because sacking a manager 9 games into their tenure - a second managerial sacking in 15 PL games - while sitting 6th in the league, makes us look like an over-entitled, deluded, basket case of a club which no manager in their right mind would want to have a crack at

And therefore, barring a disaster, Nuno should, and will, be kept for now.

Just because you don't agree, does not make this "illogical".

 

[YB123]

- Because we clearly don't have a long-term successor identified and secured
- Because sacking a manager 9 games into their tenure - a second managerial sacking in 15 PL games - while sitting 6th in the league, makes us look like an over-entitled, deluded, basket case of a club which no manager in their right mind would want to have a crack at

And therefore, barring a disaster, Nuno should, and will, be kept for now.

Just because you don't agree, does not make this "illogical".

I see both sides of it.

Nuno isnt the man, he is a glorified caretaker. Most would agree BUT if we sack him who relaistically is ready to come in straight away? Nobody.

If we want Nuno gone sharpish its Ryan Mason temporarily in.

Like I said yesterday the only real options would be Poch if he is sacked, Gallardo in Jan, Valverde or money thrown at Potter. However after Fonseca's comments, I cant see Paratici going for any!

 

[Trix]

I would certainly agree with you there - I've warmed to the idea of Potter a lot. I'd add Gerrard and Parker to the list, too, if they keep performing well in their current clubs.

I don't, and have never, thought that Poch returning is the answer.

But I do think that's Levy's plan.

And in any case, Nuno is clearly a convenient stop gap who was available when we desperately needed to appoint someone to end the farce that was our manager search.

Can't see how it possibly could be after bringing in Paratici. I mean it might have been at one point but brining in FP and how much long term planning is now going on I find it incredibly difficult to believe that could still happen.

 

[Thewobbler]

If Levy thought the rebuild was painful and difficult in the summer wait until we've got the likes of Son, Dembele and Romero wanting out because they didn't come here to be arseing about in midtable. How many competitive matches have we played under Levy's ownership with a caretaker manager? Its got to be a record. Let's not let him off the hook for another season spent treading water while we work out which budget option we can bring in next.

Enough! Sack Nuno and bring in a coach of the calibre we were supposed to be targeting over the entire summer and couple of months before. Put your hand in your triple-padlocked pocket and pay whatever Ajax or Brighton or whoever wants and stop this nonsense. We've got one of the best stadium's in world football, we've got one of the best training grounds in the world and we're managed by Nuno Espirito f***ing Santo and suffering through his tribute to George bloody Graham.

I don't want Ryan Mason, I don't want Eddie Howe, I don't want any other currently out of work chancer. I want a manager with a plan to get us back into the Champions League, win a pot or two and get us playing decent football so that watching us isn't an alternative to Xanax.

Son just signed a new deal, he ain't going anywhere unless levy decides.

 

[Spurs_Bear]

Absolute scenes in here later if we don’t beat Burnley.

 

[Bluto Blutarsky]

I've stated explicitly many times that I don't think Nuno is the manager for us, he's only here as a caretaker, but barring a disaster he shouldn't be sacked while we have no long-term successor identified and secured.

This should probably be pinned to the top of every page.

 

[13VanDerBale13]

- Because we clearly don't have a long-term successor identified and secured
- Because sacking a manager 9 games into their tenure - a second managerial sacking in 15 PL games - while sitting 6th in the league, makes us look like an over-entitled, deluded, basket case of a club which no manager in their right mind would want to have a crack at

And therefore, barring a disaster, Nuno should, and will, be kept for now.

Just because you don't agree, does not make this "illogical".

Who’s to say a long term successor is going to be secured the longer we wait ? (as the summer fiasco showed)

Nobody can trust the decisions the board makes anymore.

Levy won’t sack him because it makes him look even more of a lunatic, but the reality is, he shouldn’t have hired him in the first place.

So now we have to suffer & watch NunoBall, all because he’s too stubborn to admit getting it wrong & hope we just tick a long for another wasted season ?

 

[Sp3akerboxxx]

This is where im at right now. Looking at the evidence especially if the break clause is to be believed i would say he is a Caretaker Manager in every possible way. What its done for me is detach me further away from spurs and football which ill be honest is probably not a bad thing. I used to let defeats and failures get me down for days which for something that i completely out of your control just isnt a healthy way to live. This season ive watched 2 games in real time the rest ive just kept updated via Live Score. After Sundays defeat although i was a little pissed off as i really dislike the spammers i carried on with my day as most normal people do and do you know what it felt good.

The danger / fear is that if this keeps on by the time Nuno is replaced at the end of the season after guiding us to 8th then i will have no desire to come back.

losing to West Ham barely bothered me this season.

there algae been days (cutest, pacos, mura) where I’ve not noticed we were even playing that day.

the apathy is getting close to being terminal for me.

 

[freeeki]

Who’s to say a long term successor is going to be secured the longer we wait ? (as the summer fiasco showed)

Nobody can trust the decisions the board makes anymore.

Levy won’t sack him because it makes him look even more of a lunatic, but the reality is, he shouldn’t have hired him in the first place.

So now we have to suffer & watch NunoBall, all because he’s too stubborn to admit getting it wrong & hope we just tick a long for another wasted season ?

Well, there are zero long term successors available now, as we discovered this summer.

There won't be any fewer than zero available in January or at the end of the season. There may be more than zero.

 

[13VanDerBale13]

Well, there are zero long term successors available now, as we discovered this summer.

There won't be any fewer than zero available in January or at the end of the season. There may be more than zero.

Which is why we may as well have just stuck with Mason as I’ve mentioned previously, nobody can honestly tell me we’d be worse off with him, in relation to results / style of play.

 

[Sp3akerboxxx]

Absolute scenes in here later if we don’t beat Burnley.

like the morning of every spurs game I have managed to convince myself that we are 100% going to win.

so I have once again set myself up for an almighty tantrum when we concede from a set piece on the 87th minute.