General Youth Football

[IGSpur]

To be honest a lot of it is a lot of them who I don't understand the decisions behind like Chalobah, Palmer, Grealish and Grimes. For me Hughes should have been included but that may be a good thing he hasnt gone

Tbf Palmer is a really good player and should be in on talent alone, I think he is better than Grealish who I imagine has got an opportunity for initially looking promising in the PL but also having hype around him. I think they're using Chalobah for his expeirnce but again not much else to go with.

 

[beats1]

Tbf Palmer is a really good player and should be in on talent alone, I think he is better than Grealish who I imagine has got an opportunity for initially looking promising in the PL but also having hype around him. I think they're using Chalobah for his expeirnce but again not much else to go with.

For me the U20's is for U21's that are talented but need to start playing more football the U21's should be for players that are should soon be challenging for the first team and Palmer isn't near that same for Chalobah. Hughes was awesome last night and he has just come back from injury but he should be included imo

 

[Bus-Conductor]

Can someone give me a run down of the tournaments on this summer that will be involving any of our development players. Thanks.

 

[IGSpur]

Can someone give me a run down of the tournaments on this summer that will be involving any of our development players. Thanks.

I'm not sure if the u21s have another tournament but the only one I'm aware of is the u19s Euros which will likely feature Onomah and Walker-Peters. There are some u18s matches coming up which have Edwards and Whiteman but they are friendlies and doubt they are televised

 

[Bus-Conductor]

I'm not sure if the u21s have another tournament but the only one I'm aware of is the u19s Euros which will likely feature Onomah and Walker-Peters. There are some u18s matches coming up which have Edwards and Whiteman but they are friendlies and doubt they are televised

When/Where the U19 Euros ?

 

[IGSpur]

When/Where the U19 Euros ?

All the info https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_UEFA_European_Under-19_Championship

I'm sure some of it will be televised on Eurosport

 

[Bus-Conductor]

All the info https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_UEFA_European_Under-19_Championship

I'm sure some of it will be televised on Eurosport

Have we got any other players for the other nationalities - though we don't seem to be recruiting so many foreign players any more do we? Wonder if this is the ramifications of what John Mcdermott was saying?

 

[spurs9]

Goalkeepers: Freddie Woodman (Newcastle United), Sam Howes (West Ham United), Luke Southwood (Reading)

Defenders: Cameron Borthwick-Jackson (Manchester United), Jake Clarke-Salter (Chelsea), Callum Connolly (Everton), Dael Fry (Middlesbrough), Jonjoe Kenny (Everton), Tafari Moore (Arsenal), Taylor Moore (RC Lens), Fikayo Tomori (Chelsea), Kyle Walker-Peters (Tottenham Hotspur)

Midfielders: Lewis Cook (Leeds United), Ryan Ledson (Everton), Ainsley Maitland-Niles (Arsenal), Joshua Onomah (Tottenham Hotspur), Reece Oxford (West Ham United), Jordan Rossiter (Liverpool)

Forwards: Tammy Abraham (Chelsea), Adam Armstrong (Newcastle United), Isaiah Brown (Chelsea), Ademola Lookman (Charlton Athletic), Sheyi Ojo (Liverpool), Dominic Solanke (Chelsea)

I'm probably exaggerating a tad but the u21's don't look that much better than the u19 squad, of whom maybe only 8 or 9 of the u21's have played more than a handful of first team games ?

I'm sure you already know, but it should be:

Jordan Rossiter (Rangers)

 

[spurs9]

When/Where the U19 Euros ?

You really need to learn how to use Google.

 

[Spursidol]

I'm sure you already know, but it should be:

Jordan Rossiter (Rangers)

Yup but the FA has always been behind the times.

 

[Bus-Conductor]

You really need to learn how to use Google.

I prefer SCoogle

 

[IGSpur]

Have we got any other players for the other nationalities - though we don't seem to be recruiting so many foreign players any more do we? Wonder if this is the ramifications of what John Mcdermott was saying?

Nope not as far as I'm aware. Only other internationals we have at that age group wont' be in this tournament

 

[Bus-Conductor]

Nope not as far as I'm aware. Only other internationals we have at that age group wont' be in this tournament

What foreign players do we have in our academy right now. I can only think of Lesniak, Oduwa (kind of) ?

 

[IGSpur]

What foreign players do we have in our academy right now. I can only think of Lesniak, Oduwa (kind of) ?

It came across as foreign but it depends on your definition as what I meant was play for other countries.

So Lesniak (Slovakia) and Glover (Australia) are two proper foreigners. Then you have McDermott (Northern Ireland) actually from NI, Owens and Paul (going to leave) both also play for NI, but are English. Oduwa as you say appears to be going to Rio with Nigeria but is English and finally Carter-Vickers plays for the US but is English. Can't think of any others at the moment off the top. Actually Roles has played for Cyprus but is English. That's all this season.

Then also in that age group Goddard has previously played fro Japan (u17s) and Ball has also previously represented NI before switching to England

 

[Bus-Conductor]

It came across as foreign but it depends on your definition as what I meant was play for other countries.

So Lesniak (Slovakia) and Glover (Australia) are two proper foreigners. Then you have McDermott (Northern Ireland) actually from NI, Owens and Paul (going to leave) both also play for NI, but are English. Oduwa as you say appears to be going to Rio with Nigeria but is English and finally Carter-Vickers plays for the US but is English. Can't think of any others at the moment off the top. Actually Roles has played for Cyprus but is English. That's all this season.

Then also in that age group Goddard has previously played fro Japan (u17s) and Ball has also previously represented NI before switching to England

Do you think this is the new policy now, we've had our fingers bitten by the likes of Veljkovic and Azzaoui and McDermott's statement a couple months ago suggested as much didn't it ?

Are you saying Goddard has switched to playing for England now as well as Ball ?

 

[IGSpur]

Do you think this is the new policy now, we've had our fingers bitten by the likes of Veljkovic and Azzaoui and McDermott's statement a couple months ago suggested as much didn't it ?

Are you saying Goddard has switched to playing for England now as well as Ball ?

I think personally if we are to shop abroad they have to be special if we are to let them join our academy and looking at the outfield players. Bentaleb our best CM last season. Veljkovic probably the top 5 maybe 3 academy players I've seen for Spurs. Azzaoui was a very talented player, and while it hasn't all gone his way he has made some appearances in the Bundesliga. The only non-outstanding player is Lesniak, the other was Coulibaly though he while probably being the least successful ironically was signed with the biggest reputation. O and Glover who tbf at 16/17 was playing for Oz u19s iirc.

I think we've discussed this before but I think they are sometimes impatient and we might move away from it. I don't think they are disloyal but when you upsticks at a young age you are less afraid to move on if things aren't going well, so they won't listen to 'promises' for too long before they get tired. I feel that, the fact it is a big thing to move abroad and lastly we have any excellent academy so don't need to buy from abroad are the reason we are moving away from it. If another top player becomes available like Quina we'd put feelers out but realistically other clubs will offer a lot more

Re: Goddard no he got injured an lost his place for Japan and due to form has never got back in.

Btw have you read all 3 artices in this blog, I think you read one but check the others

https://changeisgoingtocome.wordpress.com/

 

[Cornpattbuck]

What's the deal with Chalobah these days. He seemed hot shit aeons ago, so presumed he was a failing mid-20 something these days - but apparently not! Napoli?

 

[Bus-Conductor]

I think personally if we are to shop abroad they have to be special if we are to let them join our academy and looking at the outfield players. Bentaleb our best CM last season. Veljkovic probably the top 5 maybe 3 academy players I've seen for Spurs. Azzaoui was a very talented player, and while it hasn't all gone his way he has made some appearances in the Bundesliga. The only non-outstanding player is Lesniak, the other was Coulibaly though he while probably being the least successful ironically was signed with the biggest reputation. O and Glover who tbf at 16/17 was playing for Oz u19s iirc.

I think we've discussed this before but I think they are sometimes impatient and we might move away from it. I don't think they are disloyal but when you upsticks at a young age you are less afraid to move on if things aren't going well, so they won't listen to 'promises' for too long before they get tired. I feel that, the fact it is a big thing to move abroad and lastly we have any excellent academy so don't need to buy from abroad are the reason we are moving away from it. If another top player becomes available like Quina we'd put feelers out but realistically other clubs will offer a lot more

Re: Goddard no he got injured an lost his place for Japan and due to form has never got back in.

Btw have you read all 3 artices in this blog, I think you read one but check the others

https://changeisgoingtocome.wordpress.com/

"The buying of superstars is one thing but the gifting of youth players pathways to those less talented but slightly more experienced and to whom the club owes far less than to their own internal produce, shows that youth players are little more to the club than the lowest graded investments in a spread-betting system were investments are not simply rated on the rewards that can be reaped from them but the overall risk/reward ratio on which Chelsea have perpetually favoured the smallest risk which returns the smallest, but most certain, reward"

He's a man after my own heart (I assume that's King SRV ?) I still think he's being a little kind to us, because we're still buying players like Son and Njie who I don't think are any better - or have more potential to be - than a developed Pritchard or Oduwa could have been. The same goes for buying both Kyles when we had Smith coming through, buying Trippier when we have KWP.

Winks has seen no meaningful football this season, Alli's acquisition and Poch's refusal to play anything other than 4231 makes it highly unlikely Onomah will ever be given meaningful game time and everyone is already drawing lists of wankers like Wanyama rather than thinking about promoting someone like Lesniak who's proven himself to be a really industrious, footballing busy ****.

 

[spurs9]

"The buying of superstars is one thing but the gifting of youth players pathways to those less talented but slightly more experienced and to whom the club owes far less than to their own internal produce, shows that youth players are little more to the club than the lowest graded investments in a spread-betting system were investments are not simply rated on the rewards that can be reaped from them but the overall risk/reward ratio on which Chelsea have perpetually favoured the smallest risk which returns the smallest, but most certain, reward"

He's a man after my own heart (I assume that's King SRV ?) I still think he's being a little kind to us, because we're still buying players like Son and Njie who I don't think are any better - or have more potential to be - than a developed Pritchard or Oduwa could have been. The same goes for buying both Kyles when we had Smith coming through, buying Trippier when we have KWP.

Winks has seen no meaningful football this season, Alli's acquisition and Poch's refusal to play anything other than 4231 makes it highly unlikely Onomah will ever be given meaningful game time and everyone is already drawing lists of wankers like Wanyama rather than thinking about promoting someone like Lesniak who's proven himself to be a really industrious, footballing busy ****.

You must have missed the part where he says "Spurs used to be as bad as Chelsea at giving opportunities to young players until in a moment of desperation, where all else had failed, they ended up with Tim Sherwood as their manager", so he is talking about it starting 5 years after we signed the Kyle's.

Also, N'jie & Son are absolutely nothing like Pritchard and Oduwa and is almost like saying "why sign Eriksen when we had Townsend".

KWP wasn't ready to be 2nd choice RB and at 3.5m, Trippier was a very smart bit of business that could act as a stop gap, whilst challenging Walker, whilst KWP physically and mentally matures, and we only have a small investment to make back. Yedlin though,seemed like a strange purchase, even at the time, due to not needing and inexperienced youngster with KWP coming through and we had Naughton, who was a better player, as back up. If he were an upgrade on Naughton or Walker, fair enough, but he wasn't.

I agree about Wanyama, but I suspect Ball will be ahead of Lesniak. It will be interesting to see how Bentaleb & Mason do after their operations and if both can slightly improve their form of 2014/15, when we won't need to purchase a CM and in fact could sell Carroll and promote Winks. I do worry about Mason's injury history and wonder if he can be relied upon from that aspect.

 

[Bus-Conductor]

You must have missed the part where he says "Spurs used to be as bad as Chelsea at giving opportunities to young players until in a moment of desperation, where all else had failed, they ended up with Tim Sherwood as their manager", so he is talking about it starting 5 years after we signed the Kyle's.

Also, N'jie & Son are absolutely nothing like Pritchard and Oduwa and is almost like saying "why sign Eriksen when we had Townsend".

KWP wasn't ready to be 2nd choice RB and at 3.5m, Trippier was a very smart bit of business that could act as a stop gap, whilst challenging Walker, whilst KWP physically and mentally matures, and we only have a small investment to make back. Yedlin though,seemed like a strange purchase, even at the time, due to not needing and inexperienced youngster with KWP coming through and we had Naughton, who was a better player, as back up. If he were an upgrade on Naughton or Walker, fair enough, but he wasn't.

I agree about Wanyama, but I suspect Ball will be ahead of Lesniak. It will be interesting to see how Bentaleb & Mason do after their operations and if both can slightly improve their form of 2014/15, when we won't need to purchase a CM and in fact could sell Carroll and promote Winks. I do worry about Mason's injury history and wonder if he can be relied upon from that aspect.

It doesn't matter that Son and Njie are not the same as Pritchard and Oduwa, they could still have provided similar attacking usefulness and product in similar positions, even if they do it in a different way, and saved us 30m (and possibly the money that Pritchard and Oduwa could be worth if they actually turned out to be good EPL players).

I simply disagree that KWP wasn't ready to be back up. Back up. He was absolutely ready to be a back up RB, play a handful of games IMO.Trippier was smart business if we needed a first choice RB, not when we had one of the best young RB's in the country ready to be back up already IMO. And I completely forgot about Yedlin, that was barmy.