Gill on Berba and Frazier..no option?

[Chris12345]

Sorry, the following comments were more aimed at certain other people in this threads/on this board in general!

 

[worcestersauce]

Decide to stay?? he's on loan and since when do they let anyone go they don't want to? Yeah seems real dangerous to get one of your youngsters prem and euro experience at a top club to benefit your team if you want him back, or bump up his value if you don't. I can't see how this is anything other than win win for them.

We'll have to see won't we but how many players have Man Utd lent out and then not sold? How about this, maybe they wanted to sell him or use him as part of the package (as apparently they did) but we said no but we'll take him on loan over and above the full fee and by the way just bend over a little bit further whilst we shaft you some more, after all why should we stump up money to Man Utd if we don't want to.
It was too late to get another forward so we made them give us one for bugger all and yet people on here still don't want to believe it.

Manchester United were desperate for Berbatov and we wrung them dry.

 

[DC_Boy]

And WS - check out Jasper is still saying we do have an option to buy - it may be even better yet

 

[Hoowl]

We should never have been in that position in the first place. Heskey or Cole are better than nothing (possibly) but I wouldn't want them either. By cast offs I mean taking players who can't get in the selling clubs team (a la Sunderland, Pompey) with us, not players that aren't immediately as good as or better than their best players.

Sometimes we can be too blinkered when it comes to our own dealings. If A*se had sold Adebayor to Milan and got Gouffran on loan we'd be pi**ing ourselves

I agree we shouldn't have been in that position but we don't know the ins and out of the situation and that's a whole different discussion in itself. In the circumstances I am happy with Campbell on loan. I'm not kidding myself that he's going to come in and be our first choice striker. We have Bent, who has shown he can score at premership level, and Pav who has a very good scoring record for his previous club and national side. We aren't taking a United 'cast off' to improve our first team as Portsmouth and Sunderland have done with players from us. He's backup, and important cover for our European games.

Aside from this, I'm sure Sunderland and Pourtsmouth have ambitions in this league and I do think signing the players they have from us will help them to fulfill them. They have signed better players than they had and are improving the quality of their squad. How is this a bad thing?

Regarding Arsenal and Adebayor, I agree that we'd find it amusing if Arsenal had soldwithout replacing him but we're just going over the same point again. We are not too blinkered. We are annoyed we haven't signed a replacement for Berbatov because the club missed out on their striker targets but as I have repeatly said in this thread, I see taking Campbell on loan as a good thing.

 

[Bromavinci]

As Jasper as come out and said that we do have the option to buy;

If true that we can sign him perm (how much £££ ?) and in the meantime Manc are paying all his wages then it seems likely to me that we had them over a barrel on the tapping up charges..remember they had Berba in for a Medical and at OT all the while Spurs were officially saying they did not have permission to do so.

ManU flaunted the 'rules' quite openly for all SSN viewers to see and we proceeded to Bum Fuck them on the eventual deal..

Fucking great play Levy!!!

 

[worcestersauce]

And WS - check out Jasper is still saying we do have an option to buy - it may be even better yet

Cheers DC and I'm now reading that Utd are paying his wages I hesitate to believe that can be true but if it is true then it's fair to say we slaughtered them I'll wait with anticipation for confirmation.

 

[DC_Boy]

Cheers DC and I'm now reading that Utd are paying his wages I hesitate to believe that can be true but if it is true then it's fair to say we slaughtered them I'll wait with anticipation for confirmation.

WS - it's quality stuff if true

 

[LinekersToe]

Will he become a better player if Ramos doesn't pick him???

If that's ManUs attitude I say leave him on the bench and return him fat and unfit.

This is a person you're talking about you know. It is someones career, these aren't just items them you discard on a whim.

 

[Chimbo!]

If we had an option Levy would have shouted it from the rooftops, he always does when he thinks hes got a good deal. Plus the media would have reported an option to sign him permanantly and when we let Gardner go on loan initialy to hull we said there was an option to make the move permanent. So damn!

 

[Seth]

I agree we shouldn't have been in that position but we don't know the ins and out of the situation and that's a whole different discussion in itself. In the circumstances I am happy with Campbell on loan. I'm not kidding myself that he's going to come in and be our first choice striker. We have Bent, who has shown he can score at premership level, and Pav who has a very good scoring record for his previous club and national side. We aren't taking a United 'cast off' to improve our first team as Portsmouth and Sunderland have done with players from us. He's backup, and important cover for our European games.

Aside from this, I'm sure Sunderland and Pourtsmouth have ambitions in this league and I do think signing the players they have from us will help them to fulfill them. They have signed better players than they had and are improving the quality of their squad. How is this a bad thing?

Regarding Arsenal and Adebayor, I agree that we'd find it amusing if Arsenal had soldwithout replacing him but we're just going over the same point again. We are not too blinkered. We are annoyed we haven't signed a replacement for Berbatov because the club missed out on their striker targets but as I have repeatly said in this thread, I see taking Campbell on loan as a good thing.

Sunderland and Portsmouth are/were looking to move up from lower/mid table. Buying higher placed teams cast offs makes sense if this is your situation/level of ambition. Teams with aspirations of genuine success and/or those in a better starting position would never follow this blueprint.

Don't want to keep reitterating the same negativity. Just can't shake the feeling we've condemned ourselves to another season of transition/ relative mediocrity

 

[don1]

wouldnt it be sweet if campell scored bags of goals and turned out to be a great deal for us than berbatov to utd, it wont happen i know but wouldnt it be great:grin:

 

[davros]

Campbell really does look like a very good prospect. If he were offered as part of the deal but with less cash it could still have been great for us. As it is we have the lad for a season and should make the most of it. It is pathetic to suggest leaving him on the bench or having him only play in the reserves if he could actually help our push for a decent league finish. Let's face it, do we have many better options? He might also be very useful in Europe with Pav cup tied until January. If he rips it up then maybe he will want to stay with us, and if not we will still have made the Berbatov deal work for us while we look for another striker. If he's rubbish then we will have to get a new player in January and until then make do with Bent, Pav and Giovanni. At least we won't have to worry about losing money on the lad. Not even wages, apparently.
So while we would all rather have brought in a proven top player, since that failed to materialise we seem to have done far better than making a panic buy. Considering the intimidating strike force United now posess, it is hardly a mark against the lad if he can't get into their team right now. He isn't a cast-off. I would be willing to bet, though, that he would at least make the bench in most other premier league teams.

 

[hybridsoldier]

we are officially man utd's newest feeder club.....great!

also its great to see so many putting up a brave face, but we didnt con man utd, they have just got an absolutely fantastic striker hitting his peak, for exactly how much he is worth. if they are paying campbell's wages then no doubt there is no clause.

it sad we bowed to their bullying and public flaunting of the rules, but hey what would you, keep him and persist with a complaint that they would wrangle out of jst like chelski did with arseley cole, all the while him upsetting morale or even refusing to play.

or would you sell for £30.75 mil, what you had always dmanded, and get a young hungry striker in as cover till Jan when we WILL sign a Berba replacement or a stop gap till the summer

Levy did good business, sadly was very the in the window

 

[Hoowl]

Sunderland and Portsmouth are/were looking to move up from lower/mid table. Buying higher placed teams cast offs makes sense if this is your situation/level of ambition. Teams with aspirations of genuine success and/or those in a better starting position would never follow this blueprint.

As I said before, it's not about ambition it's about backup we haven't signed Campbell to improve our first team he's cover for europe. Man Utd signed Goram from Rangers as a backup keeper a few years ago and it's the same kind of thing.

 

[Seth]

As I said before, it's not about ambition it's about backup we haven't signed Campbell to improve our first team he's cover for europe. Man Utd signed Goram from Rangers as a backup keeper a few years ago and it's the same kind of thing.

My main issue isn't with the logic or practicallity of the signing, it's about perception. How this makes us look in the eyes of the rest of the footballing world. Rangers hadn't just signed Man U's best player and taking Goram on loan wasn't doing them a favour

 

[kcmei]

Its simple:

If FC is good --> Manu win

If FC is crap --> We wont use him much and Manu wud have done the same so Manu has no risk

Overall manu win

 

[walworthyid]

We should not have allowed them to use us as a traning ground for their young player. After the way they have behaved towards us we should sever all relations with them and vow never to sell a player to them or buy a player from them again. It is a disgrace and I have had enough.

I have honestly never felt as disenchanted with spurs before in 27 years of devoted love for our once great club.

I would to be able to say that I will never watch them again or that I will be back in love with them again come the villa game (I probably will be) but at the moment it is worse than that, I feel complete indifference. Campbell looks a decent prospect, but I would rather we play with 10 men in Europe than play him. Send him back and tell them they can play him themselves.

It is a disgrace!

 

[General Levy]

I hate them, I really do want Chelsea to win the league and Barcelona or someone to win the CL. Hopefully Berbatov's Man U career will mirror Deon Dublins closer then it does Cantona's

Never. I dont care if ManYoo buy all our players' you cannot say that you want chelse to win anything cos they are a bunch of fucking ****s.

 

[Hoowl]

My main issue isn't with the logic or practicallity of the signing, it's about perception. How this makes us look in the eyes of the rest of the footballing world. Rangers hadn't just signed Man U's best player and taking Goram on loan wasn't doing them a favour

We're not taking him on board to do United a favour we've got him as striker cover. The only way it benefits them is if he gets experience here and then goes back to be good for them. If this should happen, this will have meant we will have needed to use him (otherwise he wouldn't have got said experience) and I'd rather he were here than no-one. This will all be a moot point if we have an option to buy.

Its simple:

If FC is good --> Manu win

If FC is crap --> We wont use him much and Manu wud have done the same so Manu has no risk

Overall manu win

It's not that simple and whether Man United win or lose depends on if we have an option to buy. Even if we don't I'm not sure how we lose out. You could equally write

If FC is good --> Tottenham win

If FC is crap --> We haven't lost anything so we have no risk

 

[Seth]

We're not taking him on board to do United a favour we've got him as striker cover. The only way it benefits them is if he gets experience here and then goes back to be good for them. If this should happen, this will have meant we will have needed to use him (otherwise he wouldn't have got said experience) and I'd rather he were here than no-one. This will all be a moot point if we have an option to buy.

Surely the ceo making a statement that we don't have a purchase option makes it official. Of course our intention is not to do them a favour, however that is the net result (imo) and I resent that.