Gomes is becoming a liability again

[Archibald&Crooks]

We do tend to turn on players very quickly don't we?

It leaves a bad taste.

Like going down on a bird that hasn't washed it's snatch for a week.

 

[garyhopkins]

I can understand other teams fans not rating Gomes; they don't see every minute of every game. What I never understand is how quick some of our own fans are to denigrate their own. Gomes isn't perfect but over the last 18 months he has saved us far far too many times than cost us. He's the best we've had since Clemence and he's still 29 (five years younger than the finished article of Given and two inches taller). The guy can get better. 'arry will keep the faith. I wish some of our fans would as well.

 

[spurs mental]

Gomes is top class. The one gripe I have with him is his pain threshold, and lack of it. Aside from that I can't fault the man. Every keeper makes mistakes, it's just that they get put under more scrutiny because it will ultimately lead to a goal.

There's only 2, maybe 3 keepers in the PL that would improve us and they are Reina, Van der Sar and maybe Hart, and all of them have made costly mistakes so far this season. It happens.

Gomes saves us more than he costs us.

 

[talkshowhost86]

This is just a typical knee-jerk reaction and it's accentuated when dealing with Gomes because of the awful start he had at the club. However:

1) All keepers make mistakes. Cech has been pretty poor at times this season, Arsenal haven't got a keeper worthy of lacing Gomes' boots, Van der Sar probably has a compilation video of his bloopers and Reina isn't far behind. The only keepers who haven't really put a foot wrong this season are Hart and Foster and we all know the latter is prone to a bit of hilarious 'oh shit it's gone over my head' play. It's a position that, as has been said, lends itself to a bit of humiliation because mistakes lead to goals unlike anywhere else on the pitch. Deal with it.

2) I don't see many other names being touted about by the Gomes-haters. Shay Given? Hmmmmmm. No thanks.

3) We haven't actually conceded that more than many other clubs. Yes we're not keeping clean sheets but we're not conceding hatfuls either. When you consider the amount of chances that our open play allows the opposition that suggests that Gomes is doing something right.

4) For the penalty on Sunday I'm not quite sure what else he should have done. To get there first he would have had to have had a very odd starting position and if he'd stayed on his line Ramires would have been through on goal. It was either going to be a penalty or a direct shot from 4 yards and as he saved the penalty it looks like he made the right decision.


Just because we're a better team now doesn't mean we have a god-given right to a perfect performance from every player in every game. If we're going down that route then surely Dawson is a liability for letting Drogba get a shot in, Lennon for not putting his shot on target, Bale for not scoring a hattrick in every game etc etc.

So to sum up, get a grip.

 

[BringBack_leGin]

Forgetting the goal we conceded and the penalty too, those were actually the least of my issues with him v Chelsea. My problem with him is that, since giving away the penalty v Inter and getting sent off, he seems so indecisive about whether or not to come off his line whenever the situation commands a decision. This both leaves him vulnerable, and leaves the defence unsure as to how to deal with the situation. He especially does this on 1on1 situations. I love the guy, but he must sort this out because it's affecting both his game and the game of those around him. There is only so much slack he can be cut because of the quality of his shot stopping. I've always felt that the good outweighed the bad, and it probably still does, but the line is finer than it used to be I'm afraid.

 

[gibbs131]

He's a great keeper.

HR's attack attack is going to throw some chaos his way. He needs stability in front of him IMO.

 

[double0]

Find the thread disturbing. Gomes made excellent saves during the game against Chelsea, saved a penalty in injury time! Drogba's goal was an error in judgement but in an overall balance still was an outstanding performance.

Between Cech Gomes Reina Van Der Saar we're talking about the best keepers in the Premier league.

 

[HertsYid]

Forgetting the goal we conceded and the penalty too, those were actually the least of my issues with him v Chelsea. My problem with him is that, since giving away the penalty v Inter and getting sent off, he seems so indecisive about whether or not to come off his line whenever the situation commands a decision. This both leaves him vulnerable, and leaves the defence unsure as to how to deal with the situation. He especially does this on 1on1 situations. I love the guy, but he must sort this out because it's affecting both his game and the game of those around him. There is only so much slack he can be cut because of the quality of his shot stopping. I've always felt that the good outweighed the bad, and it probably still does, but the line is finer than it used to be I'm afraid.

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It is probably down to a confidence thing and he has lost it since the Inter penalty decision. Last seaon he was up there as one of the best keepers in the league.
lets hope he can get it back qucikly with a few clean sheets in the next few matches. we are going to need him to play like he did last season for if we are going to push for CL again this year.

 

[Davo99]

If we were to replace Gomes, it'd have to be with Given. But City won't sell him to us and it's ridiculous to talk about getting rid of Gomes, so it's a stupid thread.

 

[Mr-T]

Some people have such short memories.

Last week it was Wilson getting shit. The week before that Lennon was finished.

Now its Gomes.

Who'll be the scapegoat for the embarrassing retards next week?

 

[Freddiehotspur]

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It is probably down to a confidence thing and he has lost it since the Inter penalty decision. Last seaon he was up there as one of the best keepers in the league.
lets hope he can get it back qucikly with a few clean sheets in the next few matches. we are going to need him to play like he did last season for if we are going to push for CL again this year.

You speak the truth. It's about averting situations before they develop. He is so slow off his line that the defence really can't press high. This stretches the rest of the team. Also, his distribution is awful, even his throwing seems lackadaisical at times. He has all the prerequisites to be a top top goalkeeper, he just needs to sort out his decision-making. Wonder what football manager gives him on that trait

 

[TommyW]

Last season he was superb. This season he looks poor to be honest. He's just not making the kinda match winning saves he did for us last season. His confidence looks shot.

 

[double0]

Last season he was superb. This season he looks poor to be honest. He's just not making the kinda match winning saves he did for us last season. His confidence looks shot.

So what about that penalty save in the last minutes (injury time) against Chelsea?

 

[StanSpur]

Sorry am i missing something? Yes Gomes could have done better with the Drogba shot, no he shouldn't have given the penalty away - but momentum meant he couldn't stop, and yes he stood firm to keep us a point in the end. He has made a few mistakes this season but then look at the CBs he's had infront of him. Dawson and Bassong, Bassong and Gallas, Gallas and Kaboul, King and Kaboul, King and Gallas, Kabould and Bassong, Dawson and King. All those combos and we aren't even at Christmas. I think it makes a huge differende to a keepers confidence having a stable partnership infront of you. You know when you have to come and collect and when you can leave it etc and that makes a massive difference.

Gomes is a good keeper who is having a little wobble but with a solid partnership infront of him (Gallas and Dawson) for a run of games i think we'll see him start to pick up a few clean sheets.

 

[Spurger King]

The only thing that worries me is that Gomes seems to be a confidence player. In his first season with us he was clearly struggling mentally, knowing that he was racking up the mistakes. He even pretended to be injured on more than one occasion just so that he could escape the ground.

Personally I wouldn't swap him for anyone. He was instrumental in getting us a 4th place finish last season, and on his day is one of the very best in the world.

I just worry that certain sections of the crowd will turn on him again. If some 'fans' start ironically cheering every time he catches the ball, it might rattle his confidence even more.

 

[Bus-Conductor]

Forgetting the goal we conceded and the penalty too, those were actually the least of my issues with him v Chelsea. My problem with him is that, since giving away the penalty v Inter and getting sent off, he seems so indecisive about whether or not to come off his line whenever the situation commands a decision. This both leaves him vulnerable, and leaves the defence unsure as to how to deal with the situation. He especially does this on 1on1 situations. I love the guy, but he must sort this out because it's affecting both his game and the game of those around him. There is only so much slack he can be cut because of the quality of his shot stopping. I've always felt that the good outweighed the bad, and it probably still does, but the line is finer than it used to be I'm afraid.

The good, massively outweighs the bad in Gomes's case. VDS made an absolute howler for ManU a few weeks ago, you have to accept that goalkeepers errors are always going to seem worse because they invariably end in a goal. When they do everyone forgets the two top class saves he makes that might have saved us goals.

Under Robnson we had the worst long shot conceding record and worst set piece conceding record. Those have been eradicated because we have a magnificent shot stopper (probably the best in the EPL) and a goalkeeper who deals with crosses. Those two attribute alone are probably saving us about 20-25 goals a season.

I'm also pretty sure that he's saved 1v1's since Inter (Liverpool, Everton, no ?). He was really unlucky with the Nasri goal at arse as Nasri's miscontrol changed the situation.

Mistakes will always go through a players mind, but Gomes has always recovered and is strong mentally. No-body is saying Dawson is fucked because he allowed Drogba to bully him or played Ramires onside for the penalty. They were errors, but footballing errors, just like any player, including goalkeepers will make.

I honestly find it incredulous that anyone doesn't realise that we have one of the best keepers in the EPL, Europe and certainly the best keeper I've seen at WHL since Jennings (and in my humble opinion he's possibly better than Jennings- and I don't say that lightly)

 

[saintlyspur]

i love the guy hes a great character but he worries the shit out me with some of his decisions of late if im honest

 

[TommyW]

So what about that penalty save in the last minutes (injury time) against Chelsea?

True, but in general play hes really not making the saves that he did. Pretty much every 1 on 1 with him this season ends up in the back of the net (unless Torres is on the ball). The silly decisions are starting to creep back into his play again too - yes he saved the penalty on the weekend but it was an absolutely ridiculous one for him to concede in the first place. The player had his back to goal and was going nowhere!

 

[SpurSince57]

We've conceded 22 goals so far this season. After 17 games last season we'd conceded, er, 22 goals. :roll: (Mind you, we had two clean sheets last season!)

Maybe some people should stand up and walk about a bit, give their brains some air.

 

[TommyW]

We've conceded 22 goals so far this season. After 17 games last season we'd conceded, er, 22 goals. :roll:

Maybe some people should stand up and walk about a bit, give their brains some air.

And how many clean sheets did we have...?