Harry Kane told moving to Man United would NOT be a step up

[whitesocks]

What, like one sitting second in the league, which only recently wiped the floor with us?
I think it's time to realise that some of the managers we've had a giggle about in the past, are actually quite good and just needed that perfect blend of environment and time to thrive - Ole, Rodgers, MOYES.

Let's end this embarassing notion that we are somehow entitled to be perceived better than other teams who were traditionally below us. West Ham and Leicester have had a tremendous season for example and deserve all the credit they get.

As does Ole. The progress he's made with United this season is simply astounding. We smashed them 6-1 in October (we were ten places apart in our favour) and didn't get near them in April (with Utd close to 20 points ahead of us).

The League Cup is a fantastic piece of silverware for us.
The Europa League isn't beneath us by any stretch of the imagination.
I mean who the hell are Tottenham to be saying such things. We have got one trophy in the last 20 years+ and yet we dare say that Kane shouldn't play for this or that manager?

This cup final has been a real eye-opener for me - Kane did fuck all in this final, and the CL final, and the previous League Cup final under Poch. And yet this has turned into the "poor Kane who deserves better" story. HOW THE F... DOES HE DESERVE BETTER? He has had more opportunity to win trophies with us than most porfessional footballers do in their entire careers. And he failed time and again.
I've just had it up to here with the poor Kane point of view. He is just as to blame as the rest.

I think this post is interesting but on the league cup and europa league -
the runner-up's prize money is £50,000 for the league cup. £100,000 for the winner.
That paid wink's salary for the week, but that's about it.
Pep probably stuck his cheque in a charity tin on the way home.

Largely these are not competitions that are going to pay their way. And they cost too, as there is little doubt we'd be on a higher points total without them.

You might ask, so what if these competitions are not recognised as being of value by the advertisers, TV companies, sponsors, domestic neutral fans and overseas fans.
This is just a way for the rich premiership teams to put something back into the lower divisions, and eastern europe. And it potentially gives you a lovely day out at wembley/Baku.

That is fair enough - there is strong moral duty. But I'd be more comfortable about discharging our responsibilities here if we were qualifying for the CL and weren't £1b in debt.

 

[rupsmith]

Smart enough as in that he like many others know that Ole most likely won''t win the league or CL with United. An that's what he is aiming for.

You could argue that they've improved, but especially going forward it's overall far from impressive what United are doing. Especially compared to the real elite teams.

Totally agree. Harry is not looking to take a step up to the next level. He needs to be playing at the highest level. For me, I would not begrudge him at all being the Aguero replacement for a cool 175 million quid. Thank you for your services and good luck for the future - enjoy the Premier League titles you are going to be winning for the next 3 years and possibly a few Champions Leagues and League Cups and FA cups as well. The bloke is the captain of his country and is banging in 30 goals a season with the likes of Moussa Sissoko in his team. He shouldnt be asking himself "what if.." when he retires.

Ole is not going to win a damn thing for the next 5 years.

 

[UbeAstard]

What sort of fan doesn't care if their best player stays or goes?! Honestly, it tragic. When people talk about the DNA of the club and how it's in ours to consistently choke, can't help but look at fans like this. Doesn't happen at any other big club. Do you ever see Liverpool fans 'not caring' that their best players should leave because the club isn't worthy? Ditto Man U, City? Nope!

The sad thing is, I know there are a lot of Spurs fans who think like you and for as long as there are, the club will keep on sabotaging itself and falling at the final hurdle. THAT is this clubs DNA.

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[sebo_sek]

I think this post is interesting but on the league cup and europa league -
the runner-up's prize money is £50,000 for the league cup. £100,000 for the winner.
That paid wink's salary for the week, but that's about it.
Pep probably stuck his cheque in a charity tin on the way home.

Largely these are not competitions that are going to pay their way. And they cost too, as there is little doubt we'd be on a higher points total without them.

You might ask, so what if these competitions are not recognised as being of value by the advertisers, TV companies, sponsors, domestic neutral fans and overseas fans.
This is just a way for the rich premiership teams to put something back into the lower divisions, and eastern europe. And it potentially gives you a lovely day out at wembley/Baku.

That is fair enough - there is strong moral duty. But I'd be more comfortable about discharging our responsibilities here if we were qualifying for the CL and weren't £1b in debt.

You have to make up your mind - do you want trophies or cash?
If it's cash, let's not apply for the domestic cups at all and not be hypocrites. And if we get a Europa place, let's forfeit it to a lower placed side.
We are within our rights to do so.

 

[sebo_sek]

Totally agree. Harry is not looking to take a step up to the next level. He needs to be playing at the highest level. For me, I would not begrudge him at all being the Aguero replacement for a cool 175 million quid. Thank you for your services and good luck for the future - enjoy the Premier League titles you are going to be winning for the next 3 years and possibly a few Champions Leagues and League Cups and FA cups as well. The bloke is the captain of his country and is banging in 30 goals a season with the likes of Moussa Sissoko in his team. He shouldnt be asking himself "what if.." when he retires.

Ole is not going to win a damn thing for the next 5 years.

He shouldn't... I will ask again - he's had three finals with us in the space of several years including the BIGGEST one of all. And he failed to show up for any of them. Why is he somehow entitled to glory? He's had ample opportunity.

 

[lis spur]

2 FA cups and cup winners cup isnt plenty enough lol

It is if your a Spurs player :-(

 

[SpringHeeledJim]

I'm 100% not advocating selling Kane but........I'm sure in that fantastic book "inverting the pyramid" (everyone read it if they like football!) a study was made and actually selling your prized asset rarely has a negative impact on the overall performance of the team. It was some years ago that I read the book so happy to be corrected.

 

[dontcallme]

I'm 100% not advocating selling Kane but........I'm sure in that fantastic book "inverting the pyramid" (everyone read it if they like football!) a study was made and actually selling your prized asset rarely has a negative impact on the overall performance of the team. It was some years ago that I read the book so happy to be corrected.

Teams do generally seem to get by without the star player. We relatively consistently finished around 5th when we had Bale with a couple of 4 placed finishes and the odd poor league performance. Then after he left results remained similar.

Utd finished top twice and second twice in the four seasons after Ronaldo left.

So we likely would be ok if Kane left but of course we'd rather it didn't happen.

 

[chavkev]

Even with a rebuild, top four looks unlikely for the first half of this decade. If we bring in young players, they are going to need plenty of game time in order to iron out their mistakes. If Levy dictates that the new manager has to get the best out of what is here, then it will take even longer.

It is in Harry's best interests to go this summer. The only question is whether he is ruthless enough to do it.

 

[sebo_sek]

Even with a rebuild, top four looks unlikely for the first half of this decade. If we bring in young players, they are going to need plenty of game time in order to iron out their mistakes. If Levy dictates that the new manager has to get the best out of what is here, then it will take even longer.

It is in Harry's best interests to go this summer. The only question is whether he is ruthless enough to do it.

It was in Harry's best interest to have 3 trophies under his belt by now including the CL. Sorry but I feel no sympathy for him in this "predicament".

 

[SPURSLIFE]

What, like one sitting second in the league, which only recently wiped the floor with us?
I think it's time to realise that some of the managers we've had a giggle about in the past, are actually quite good and just needed that perfect blend of environment and time to thrive - Ole, Rodgers, MOYES.

Let's end this embarassing notion that we are somehow entitled to be perceived better than other teams who were traditionally below us. West Ham and Leicester have had a tremendous season for example and deserve all the credit they get.

As does Ole. The progress he's made with United this season is simply astounding. We smashed them 6-1 in October (we were ten places apart in our favour) and didn't get near them in April (with Utd close to 20 points ahead of us).

The League Cup is a fantastic piece of silverware for us.
The Europa League isn't beneath us by any stretch of the imagination.
I mean who the hell are Tottenham to be saying such things. We have got one trophy in the last 20 years+ and yet we dare say that Kane shouldn't play for this or that manager?

This cup final has been a real eye-opener for me - Kane did fuck all in this final, and the CL final, and the previous League Cup final under Poch. And yet this has turned into the "poor Kane who deserves better" story. HOW THE F... DOES HE DESERVE BETTER? He has had more opportunity to win trophies with us than most porfessional footballers do in their entire careers. And he failed time and again.
I've just had it up to here with the poor Kane point of view. He is just as to blame as the rest.

I agree with everything you say except blaming Kane. We failed in those finals because he has shit players around him. The defence always under pressure and the MF not creative enough. In fact he's our best midfielder with quick incisive passes to our forwards. He'll often start a move from MF and finish it off with a goal so don't blame Kane for being a great player in a shit team. I do agree that many Spurs supporters do live in a dream world about us being something that we're not and better than clubs who are above us. How can Leicester win the league the season after they just failed to be relegated by one point the season before and now play in the CL. How can West Ham just fail being relegated and now above us and a chance for CL next season, It's progress, something we haven't done. We have a fantastic stadium and are or at least were until Covid financial stable. I think that's why many supporters look down their noses at the likes of the Leicester's and W. Ham's but in terms of results we are no better and in some cases worse.
The same with the manager situation, all these top names being banded around like they are lining up to join us because we are Spurs. Why would they with no CL next season and possibly no Kane?

 

[SPURSLIFE]

It was in Harry's best interest to have 3 trophies under his belt by now including the CL. Sorry but I feel no sympathy for him in this "predicament".

So it's entirely our best players fault, the one guy who gets us out of trouble so many times with his goals that more often than not he starts and finishes himself? The teams shit we know that mostly because of some bad buys and bad management but you can't blame Kane for being in a shit team.

 

[TheHoddleWaddle]

Of course it's a step up. How isn't it? I'm not convinced by Ole, but their squad and history isn't in question. It would be a waste going there under ole, but still a step up.

As a neutral, seeing him in a city side would be pretty special. Sad as it is. If he developed an understanding with KDB and Foden. Dear God.

Spurs are going nowhere for a long time. He needs to go for his own sanity.

 

[dontcallme]

Of course it's a step up. How isn't it? I'm not convinced by Ole, but their squad and history isn't in question. It would be a waste going there under ole, but still a step up.

As a neutral, seeing him in a city side would be pretty special. Sad as it is. If he developed an understanding with KDB and Foden. Dear God.

Spurs are going nowhere for a long time. He needs to go for his own sanity.

I don't think it's a question of Utd not being a step up. I think it's a case of it not being enough of a step up.

If he goes to City he's winning titles and possibly the CL. At Utd probably not.

 

[TheHoddleWaddle]

I don't think it's a question of Utd not being a step up. I think it's a case of it not being enough of a step up.

If he goes to City he's winning titles and possibly the CL. At Utd probably not.

Can't argue with that at all. Bullseye

 

[rupsmith]

He shouldn't... I will ask again - he's had three finals with us in the space of several years including the BIGGEST one of all. And he failed to show up for any of them. Why is he somehow entitled to glory? He's had ample opportunity.

Well it doesn't really help when he has Moussa Sissoko - giving away penalties in the first minute - in his team.

 

[sebo_sek]

So it's entirely our best players fault, the one guy who gets us out of trouble so many times with his goals that more often than not he starts and finishes himself? The teams shit we know that mostly because of some bad buys and bad management but you can't blame Kane for being in a shit team.

I didn't say entirely. Not once. But he is JUST AS TO BLAME. So saying that he is somehow entitled to win stuff even though he had 3 opportunities to do so and didn't is hypocritical.

Also consider this. Kane did not play in the CL QF or SF when we qualified. And the team rose to the challenge. And him playing (though in truth running around is more precise) was a massive mistake. You say the team are shit? They got to the CL final WITHOUT Kane.

 

[sebo_sek]

Well it doesn't really help when he has Moussa Sissoko - giving away penalties in the first minute - in his team.

Please. 88 minutes is not long enough to do something?

 

[SPURSLIFE]

I didn't say entirely. Not once. But he is JUST AS TO BLAME. So saying that he is somehow entitled to win stuff even though he had 3 opportunities to do so and didn't is hypocritical.

Also consider this. Kane did not play in the CL QF or SF when we qualified. And the team rose to the challenge. And him playing (though in truth running around is more precise) was a massive mistake. You say the team are shit? They got to the CL final WITHOUT Kane.

So you'll be happy when he's gone. O.K. Tell me this where would we be this season with out his goals probably fighting relegation. I can't understand why people would put him down when he has been the only one that has given us any reason for hope. There is no one else in that side that can score some of the individual goals that he scores. He's playing in a side where half are not good enough yet he still scores over 20 goals in a season.

 

[sebo_sek]

So you'll be happy when he's gone. O.K. Tell me this where would we be this season with out his goals probably fighting relegation. I can't understand why people would put him down when he has been the only one that has given us any reason for hope. There is no one else in that side that can score some of the individual goals that he scores. He's playing in a side where half are not good enough yet he still scores over 20 goals in a season.

Please quote me saying I'd be happy with him gone. Also he scores goals others create for him (ie. his shit team). Harry Kane is not the be all end all of THFC. That is all I am saying. And I am saying he doesn't have some special right to silverware since he had three three cup finals with us and the team (incl. Him failed to deliver)