Harry Kane

[Led's Zeppelin]

@Shadydan , judging by your "creative", you don't think it affects him at all then? You don't think he'd prefer to hear us getting behind the team instead of booing? You don't think he's being honest when he talks about the value of the team working together?

If you're right, if you think he doesn't mean a word he says about it, then he'll be off.

But you're probably wrong.

 

[yankspurs]

Can we tell Kane he has to score a hat trick just before each game to beat a record? It seems when he has a record in his sights he has a goal frenzy. Let’s tell him no one has scored a hat trick of hat tricks before.

I mean, he still has the most PL goals scored in a season in sight. At this point, breaking that record(14 more goals) is attainable if he keeps this up. He’s also just 4 away from 100 PL goals.

 

[Lilbaz]

The point is that where ever he goes he'll always be faced with fickle fans, Christ you think we're bad, Real Madrid fans are arseholes to their own players when they're not performing.

Yes but he can earn more and win more there.

 

[Shadydan]

Yes but he can earn more and win more there.

I was using them as an example but never mind.

 

[Streetspur77]

If we want him to be more than usually loyal to us, when we know he could go anywhere he chooses, we shouldn't be just like any other set of fans though should we?

I bet he hates it when he hears us booing certain players, and he won't forget that type of shit when he has to make the biggest decisions of his career.

Who do we boo?

 

[Lilbaz]

I was using them as an example but never mind.

The only way we will keep him is if he shows loyalty to the club. But why should he when our fans don't show any loyalty to our players and abuse them? We as fans need to support our players. Criticise them when they are poor but the slagging off is out of order.
We know that the players read these type of comments as rose said as much in his interview.

 

[Led's Zeppelin]

Who do we boo?

Are you saying you’ve never heard booing coming from the Spurs crowd? I have.

I’ve always thought it’s far more likely to have a negative than a positive effect.

But this is about Harry Kane, and the likelihood of his feeling loyal enough to stay at Spurs for a long time. I think that if we hope for loyalty from players( though I agree we should reward them well financially too) we should show loyalty to them, even when they’re struggling. Do you not agree?

 

[Streetspur77]

The only way we will keep him is if he shows loyalty to the club. But why should he when our fans don't show any loyalty to our players and abuse them? We as fans need to support our players. Criticise them when they are poor but the slagging off is out of order.
We know that the players read these type of comments as rose said as much in his interview.

I don't get the point you and others are trying to make? Our fans show tremendous loyalty to our players, thousands sing there name every week. What more should we do get down on our knees and pray to them at 10 and then again at 5 every day?

As long as people at the game support the players, as they do, then it's fine. I can't remember the last time I heard a player singled out with boos only very very rarely a few boos at half time if it's a terrible performance and even they are boos out of frustration not malice.

In terms of online, Harry Kane and the others are grown up professional men it would be pathetic and unprofessional of them to get upset because a fan says that they aren't good at football or that Kane should pass more, that was embarassing when Danny Rose bought that up and it showed the problems with ego that that man has. Tbh I've barely seen any players abused even online and if they do they get called out very quickly. In a fanbase of millions there will be some idiots and if the players don't understand that and decide the judge to whole fanbase on that then I don't really want them here tbh

 

[Lilbaz]

I don't get the point you and others are trying to make? Our fans show tremendous loyalty to our players, thousands sing there name every week. What more should we do get down on our knees and pray to them at 10 and then again at 5 every day?

As long as people at the game support the players, as they do, then it's fine. I can't remember the last time I heard a player singled out with boos only very very rarely a few boos at half time if it's a terrible performance and even they are boos out of frustration not malice.

In terms of online, Harry Kane and the others are grown up professional men it would be pathetic and unprofessional of them to get upset because a fan says that they aren't good at football or that Kane should pass more, that was embarassing when Danny Rose bought that up and it showed the problems with ego that that man has. Tbh I've barely seen any players abused even online and if they do they get called out very quickly. In a fanbase of millions there will be some idiots and if the players don't understand that and decide the judge to whole fanbase on that then I don't really want them here tbh

Are you serious? You haven't heard fans at games slagging off our players and i'm not talking of people saying that kane should pass more i am talking the abuse of the likes of sissoko receive.

 

[Streetspur77]

Are you saying you’ve never heard booing coming from the Spurs crowd? I have.

I’ve always thought it’s far more likely to have a negative than a positive effect.

But this is about Harry Kane, and the likelihood of his feeling loyal enough to stay at Spurs for a long time. I think that if we hope for loyalty from players( though I agree we should reward them well financially too) we should show loyalty to them, even when they’re struggling. Do you not agree?

Harry Kane's loyalty to Tottenham comes from being a Tottenham fan, from being from the local area and us being the club that gave him his chance.

Now as a Tottenham fan aswell there are certain fans I think are pricks but they don't make me question my loyalty to spurs. If Harry Kane leaves it's not because once a minority of fans booed because they were frustrated, it will be because he felt he need more than 100-200 grand A WEEK or that he feels we are not matching his ambition as a club. If he does, so be it.

 

[IGSpur]

I also love that the bitter fans looking to downplay Kane’s achievements have to go back to freak goal scorers like Dixie Dean or our man Greaves, two absolute legends of English football who played in an area where each team fielded a minimum of five forwards and there were 3 times as many goals scored in a game on average!

Can anyone do a relative comparison? Is it standard deviation. I remember someone worked out Bradman was the greatest sportsman ever by being so and so standard deviations from his next greatest rival

 

[Streetspur77]

Are you serious? You haven't heard fans at games slagging off our players and i'm not talking of people saying that kane should pass more i am talking the abuse of the likes of sissoko receive.

I have. What I said was that I haven't heard one player singled out and collectively booed by fans at a game for a long time. Obviously in life there will be pricks who will single players out and abuse them in whatever may their small minds choose to but they are a distinct minority and if a player decides to leave because of that they will be very disappointed as it will be the same way at any club.

 

[slartibartfast]

You're both right. We get behind them and then some get a slagging off. One wrong pass and its 'urghhh'
The difference between Kane to most players is that he is a Spurs lad through and through and his whole family live here.
That doesn't mean however we can abuse that loyalty to sell him short.
Imo if we pay him what he's worth and can see we're trying to move forward he'll stay.
Sell our best players and don't replace with quality and if I was him I'd have to question staying.

 

[Lilbaz]

I have. What I said was that I haven't heard one player singled out and collectively booed by fans at a game for a long time. Obviously in life there will be pricks who will single players out and abuse them in whatever may their small minds choose to but they are a distinct minority and if a player decides to leave because of that they will be very disappointed as it will be the same way at any club.

We are not saying they will leave because of it. What we are saying is that you cannot expect loyalty from players if we don't show support as fans.
If someone offers kane treble his money to move he might think i love the club but i am only a few bad games away from the fans turning on me. He might remember when he was young and many fans saying he was not good enough. He might think i don't owe them anything.
We've seen with rose that it plays on their minds and that players do look on social media to see what fans are saying about them and we as fans should be aware of this.

I remember seeing an italian player (can't remember his name) leaving his club he was sold cause they needed the money. On the way out of the training ground carpark there were fans cheering him off. He cried his eyes out. What do you think he told his new team mates about his old club and their fans? That is what i want our players to feel about our club and fans. I want them to love us so much that even if they do leave it breaks there heart.

 

[Shadydan]

I have. What I said was that I haven't heard one player singled out and collectively booed by fans at a game for a long time. Obviously in life there will be pricks who will single players out and abuse them in whatever may their small minds choose to but they are a distinct minority and if a player decides to leave because of that they will be very disappointed as it will be the same way at any club.

It's such a nonsense debate it really is.

 

[stevenurse]

If reports are true and there is (rightly) going to be another huge contract offer for him at the end of the season then I hope we really go to town with it, Handing bumper contracts to all our highest performers. We have to realise that the large majority of our squad could earn twice what they do with us and now we are making the move to be a big boy, we need to pay the going rate.

There is this fallacy about players main ambition being to win trophies, and of course every player will want to win. But the reality is, that most players will play anywhere if they're paid enough.

Sure, those that have won a few FA cups here and there will be rightly very proud of their medals but when they're driving a cab into their 60's to be able to pay their bills, I bet they would regret not making that big move.

The argument "He will leave unless we win things" mainly spouted by arsenal fans falls down when they realise they've won 3 FA cups in 4 years and their best players cant wait to leave.

Everything is set up for them, the training ground, the manager, the new stadium. When the wages increase we will surely be a massive draw for just about any player in Europe, let alone keeping the ones we have.

 

[Lilbaz]

If reports are true and there is (rightly) going to be another huge contract offer for him at the end of the season then I hope we really go to town with it, Handing bumper contracts to all our highest performers. We have to realise that the large majority of our squad could earn twice what they do with us and now we are making the move to be a big boy, we need to pay the going rate.

There is this fallacy about players main ambition being to win trophies, and of course every player will want to win. But the reality is, that most players will play anywhere if they're paid enough.

Sure, those that have won a few FA cups here and there will be rightly very proud of their medals but when they're driving a cab into their 60's to be able to pay their bills, I bet they would regret not making that big move.

The argument "He will leave unless we win things" mainly spouted by arsenal fans falls down when they realise they've won 3 FA cups in 4 years and their best players cant wait to leave.

Everything is set up for them, the training ground, the manager, the new stadium. When the wages increase we will surely be a massive draw for just about any player in Europe, let alone keeping the ones we have.

Only problem is that the big boys wage bill is bigger than our turnover even with the new stadium.

 

[SpursDave88]

Only problem is that the big boys wage bill is bigger than our turnover even with the new stadium.

People always talk about these big commercial deals our rivals have without going into detail about wha these actually are or why we don't have them. Could we get them?

 

[Streetspur77]

If reports are true and there is (rightly) going to be another huge contract offer for him at the end of the season then I hope we really go to town with it, Handing bumper contracts to all our highest performers. We have to realise that the large majority of our squad could earn twice what they do with us and now we are making the move to be a big boy, we need to pay the going rate.

There is this fallacy about players main ambition being to win trophies, and of course every player will want to win. But the reality is, that most players will play anywhere if they're paid enough.

Sure, those that have won a few FA cups here and there will be rightly very proud of their medals but when they're driving a cab into their 60's to be able to pay their bills, I bet they would regret not making that big move.

The argument "He will leave unless we win things" mainly spouted by arsenal fans falls down when they realise they've won 3 FA cups in 4 years and their best players cant wait to leave.

Everything is set up for them, the training ground, the manager, the new stadium. When the wages increase we will surely be a massive draw for just about any player in Europe, let alone keeping the ones we have.

Where will that money come from? We are currently building a 1 BILLION pound stadium

 

[stevenurse]

Only problem is that the big boys wage bill is bigger than our turnover even with the new stadium.

There will always be a tipping point, and those mega rich are not worth trying to enter a dick swinging contest with, but there's also the need to not take the piss.

If we were paying Kane 150k a week for example, but he could get 200k elsewhere it probably wouldn't be that big a deal if he were incentivised.

If we are paying Toby 50k a week with him knowing he could get 200k elsewhere then the disparity is far too large. In terms of importance to the team especially.

There will always be players at City/Chelsea etc who will be paid more and I think our players will understand that, but only if the gap is narrowed.