Harry Redknapp Says What We're All Thinking

[rossdapep]

Imagine being an English player nowadays. Imagine Sterling, for example. You have a great chance to win multiple titles and honours, work with the best coach in the world, work with some other exceptional players like Aguero, De Bruyne, etc, play in multiple big games, and then, occasionally you have to go to countries such as Malta and Andorra, where there is very little football history and you're expected to win comfortably, you have to work with an average uninspiring manager and you have to face the non-stop criticism/privacy invasion from the press. I honestly see why modern day players struggle to be motivated for international duty.

However, compare that to here in South America, the domestic game does not over shine the international game, so when players are picked for international duty they completely buy into it and genuinely want to win everything, maybe more so than domestic honours.

England either need to be lucky and find a manager who can really get the players to feel excited about playing for their national team again or the Premier League needs to step back into the shadows of the international game, unfortunately neither of these things are likely.

 

[DJS]

Shame he didn't have that opinion when in charge of us and fucking up our season as hankering after the post eh...

 

[WorcesterTHFC]

He's bang on with what he says - we play qualifiers against teams where players have normal day jobs, yet we're all supposed to get excited about it. We all know that those kind of games don't prepare us for the tournaments and as such we aren't ever ready to win a major tournament.

But the Germans, Italians and Spaniards, for example, also have to play qualifiers against teams that are mainly amateurs or part-time pros, and they don't seem to have any problems coping with tournaments, so there has to be some other reason why we struggle in tournaments.

 

[Lilbaz]

Shame he didn't have that opinion when in charge of us and fucking up our season as hankering after the post eh...

It's not like spurs haven't had bad ends to the season under other managers is it? Whether it is tiredness or mentality it's something we need to sort out. We have a lot stronger squad now (if not individual players) so hopefully this year will be different.

 

[Bus-Conductor]

He's bang on with what he says - we play qualifiers against teams where players have normal day jobs, yet we're all supposed to get excited about it. We all know that those kind of games don't prepare us for the tournaments and as such we aren't ever ready to win a major tournament.

Why doesn't that stop Germany, Italy, Spain, France etc from performing in tournaments?

 

[aliyid]

Why doesn't that stop Germany, Italy, Spain, France etc from performing in tournaments?

Probably because they have genuine world class talent who appear to enjoy playing with each other.

The international break for most of those countries are an opportunity for old friends who play in different leagues around the continent to catch-up and enjoy themselves. They seem to foster a club team mentality where players are happy to play as a team. With England it all feels like everybody is out for their own personal gain rather than building a good team spirit.

 

[Lilbaz]

Probably because they have genuine world class talent who appear to enjoy playing with each other.

The international break for most of those countries are an opportunity for old friends who play in different leagues around the continent to catch-up and enjoy themselves. They seem to foster a club team mentality where players are happy to play as a team. With England it all feels like everybody is out for their own personal gain rather than building a good team spirit.

Or alternatively our players aren't as good as they are hyped to be by sky and the media so that we watch them.

 

[punkisback]

When he pissed off our training sessions to whore himself out for the England job, the Premier League wasn't so important then was it Harry?
However he is right.

 

[Mustard]

Why doesn't that stop Germany, Italy, Spain, France etc from performing in tournaments?

It's very simple.

Their leagues don't have 70% of foreign players playing in their teams.

I bet a country like Uruguay has more players playing in top leagues to pick from than England does. Not in every position but some.

It's clear from this thread all anyone cares about is their team so it's no surprise.

 

[knilly]

It's very simple.

Their leagues don't have 70% of foreign players playing in their teams.

I bet a country like Uruguay has more players playing in top leagues to pick from than England does. Not in every position but some.

It's clear from this thread all anyone cares about is their team so it's no surprise.

Add to that 70% foreign owned clubs

The reason England have been consistently poor for 20 years is because the Premier League has been consistently overshadowing the national team in every way possible.

Smaller nations have more to play for when their only European tournament is an international one, when England players have CL or EL regularly, some just on the bench. It just means more it seems.

 

[rich75]

It's very simple.

Their leagues don't have 70% of foreign players playing in their teams.

I bet a country like Uruguay has more players playing in top leagues to pick from than England does. Not in every position but some.

It's clear from this thread all anyone cares about is their team so it's no surprise.

True but then how did Wales for example do so well ? Scarcely any of their players actually play in the Welsh league. It's surely got to be more about motivation than anything else. Coleman got them playing as a team who gave a shit, we never seem to manage that. I reckon redknapp would have been perfect for the job a few years back, he was entirely about playing as a team and very little else.

Edit:

Having checked, no Welsh player plays in the Welsh league and a lot of them play below premier leagues standard

 

[Mustard]

True but then how did Wales for example do so well ? Scarcely any of their players actually play in the Welsh league. It's surely got to be more about motivation than anything else. Coleman got them playing as a team who gave a shit, we never seem to manage that. I reckon redknapp would have been perfect for the job a few years back, he was entirely about playing as a team and very little else.

Edit:

Having checked, no Welsh player plays in the Welsh league and a lot of them play below premier leagues standard

I think its a question of priority too. Smaller nations such as Wales, Greece Serbia etc have a far deeper national pride. It means more to them playing for their country than their club. Even the likes of Bale, Ronaldo and Aguero etc.

Whilst it staggers me that Wembley can sell out against Malta after the shit sandwich that was served up over the summer nothing will change.

To be honest whilst I am a fan of the national game, well I was, some of the best summers of my life have been around major tournaments, I am not particularly looking forward to Russia, the travelling farce of the next Euros then Qatar....

I feel sorry for the younger fans who will never taste or see what the country is like when the national team does well. England fans anyway.

 

[aliyid]

Or alternatively our players aren't as good as they are hyped to be by sky and the media so that we watch them.

Everybody says that we haven't got the players but take a moment to look at some of the players in other squads. They're not too great either...

• Italy had a strikeforce of Pelle and Zaza,
• Sissoko had just been relegated with Newcastle but still started the final for France ahead of Crystal Palace's Cabaye
• Germany had Schweinsteiger and Podolski
• Christ England were knocked out by an Iceland team with a 38yr old Eider Gudjohnsen playing for them

A well balanced team playing for each other will beat a team of just names playing for themselves more times than not.

The players we've got are good enough if played in the right way and with the right mentality.

 

[rich75]

I think its a question of priority too. Smaller nations such as Wales, Greece Serbia etc have a far deeper national pride. It means more to them playing for their country than their club. Even the likes of Bale, Ronaldo and Aguero etc.

Whilst it staggers me that Wembley can sell out against Malta after the shit sandwich that was served up over the summer nothing will change.

To be honest whilst I am a fan of the national game, well I was, some of the best summers of my life have been around major tournaments, I am not particularly looking forward to Russia, the travelling farce of the next Euros then Qatar....

I feel sorry for the younger fans who will never taste or see what the country is like when the national team does well. England fans anyway.

Yeah, I worked as a waiter at Wembley during Euro 96 when I was at uni. I didn't see a game except on tv in the restaurant when everyone was out watching the game but it was fucking amazing, the atmosphere was immense. I remember the Germany game being so much fun to be around despite losing. It felt like a real thing and to go so close with gascoigne etc wasn't depressing it was just pure adrenaline.

 

[newbie]

When he pissed off our training sessions to whore himself out for the England job, the Premier League wasn't so important then was it Harry?
However he is right.

my mate was meant to have a meeting with harry it got cancelled 3 times becuase he was not at the training ground funnily enough looking good for 3 at worst till then and came 4th.

 

[razzmaster]

Want the job. Desperate for the job. Please give me the job. Would sell Sandra to Estonian people traffickers for the job. Don't get the job. "What a shit fucking job"

Who seriously gives a fuck what this nine carrot cocknocker thinks about anything?

I care what you think BC , don't be so harsh on yourself.

 

[UpTownSpur]

We've had a series of basically caretaker managers who go from game to game without ever developing an identifiable style of play or ethos. England are basically Spurs before Pochettino and nothing will change until we find the right manager.

 

[HobbitSpur]

Imagine being an English player nowadays. Imagine Sterling, for example. You have a great chance to win multiple titles and honours, work with the best coach in the world, work with some other exceptional players like Aguero, De Bruyne, etc, play in multiple big games, and then, occasionally you have to go to countries such as Malta and Andorra, where there is very little football history and you're expected to win comfortably, you have to work with an average uninspiring manager and you have to face the non-stop criticism/privacy invasion from the press. I honestly see why modern day players struggle to be motivated for international duty.

However, compare that to here in South America, the domestic game does not over shine the international game, so when players are picked for international duty they completely buy into it and genuinely want to win everything, maybe more so than domestic honours.

England either need to be lucky and find a manager who can really get the players to feel excited about playing for their national team again or the Premier League needs to step back into the shadows of the international game, unfortunately neither of these things are likely.

Agree with your comments relating to English players, but most of the South American players play in Europe anyway, so surely their sentiment would be the same, no?

 

[rossdapep]

Agree with your comments relating to English players, but most of the South American players play in Europe anyway, so surely their sentiment would be the same, no?

Not quite. Some of these guys are fully committed to playing for their country, it's quite rare for them to pass up the opportunity because they may get injured in a friendly. That's not to say that they aren't passionate about winning stuff in Europe too.

 

[TheHoddleWaddle]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-hampshire-37716100

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