How many in the current team would be in your greatest ever team in your Spurs-supporting lifetime?

[am_yisrael_chai]

88-91 was a bit of balearic blur but didn't he have injury problems either side ? He still finished with 60 goals in 105 games for us, was one of the few English footballers to play abroad and even kicked for the London Monarchs in NFL Europe.

In this notional make believe world where we make up our own rules, I'd take 86/87 Allen over all others, he was Greaves-esque that season. Personally I think he was a better finisher than Lineker, just didn't play in any great teams at great times apart from us in 87, we should have won the league that year, and he was unlucky with injuries if I remember rightly.

He only stayed at Spurs the next season before going to Bordeaux. In the 87/88 season he struggled as did the entire team as Hoddle was replaced by Metgod, which didn't really work out too well. He struggled after leaving Spurs too. In the 84-86 period he was efficient but unspectacular. I'd suggest that had it not been for that one season of 86/87 he wouldn't even be thought of above our other strikers of the era like Archibald or Falco.

 

[Xeeleeyid]

Probably none, but this current team has always been greater than the sum of its parts.

The team of my Spurs supporting lifetime would be:

GK Erik Thorstvedt (89 - 96)
RB Stephen Carr (99 - 01)
CB Judas C@ntbell (97 - 00)
CB Ledley King (00 - 10)
LB Christian Ziege (01 - 03)
CM Paul Gascoigne (89 - 91)
CM Luka Modric (08 - 12)
CM Michael Carrick (04 - 06)
FW Jurgen Klinsmann (94 - 95)
FW Gary Lineker (89 - 91)
FW Gareth Bale (09 - 13)

 

[Shea]

Probably none, but this current team has always been greater than the sum of its parts.

The team of my Spurs supporting lifetime would be:

GK Erik Thorstvedt (89 - 96)
RB Stephen Carr (99 - 01)
CB Judas C@ntbell (97 - 00)
CB Ledley King (00 - 10)
LB Christian Ziege (01 - 03)
CM Paul Gascoigne (89 - 91)
CM Luka Modric (08 - 12)
CM Michael Carrick (04 - 06)
FW Jurgen Klinsmann (94 - 95)
FW Gary Lineker (89 - 91)
FW Gareth Bale (09 - 13)

I think nostalgia is making you over rate some players from your youth

No way was Thorsvedt close to Lloris' level - let alone better than him

I also think a lot of people are over rating Carr in here because he stood out in a shit team for years

Also I think Ziege was a better player before coming to us than. At Liverpool and Middlesborough etc he was an excellent player but imo in a spurs shirt his peromances were not better than Rose in the past 2 seasons

I'm surprised your nostolgia hasn't lead to you picking Sedgley or Howells above Modric in the middle

 

[Xeeleeyid]

I think nostalgia is making you over rate some players from your youth

No way was Thorsvedt close to Lloris' level - let alone better than him

I also think a lot of people are over rating Carr in here because he stood out in a shit team for years

Also I think Ziege was a better player before coming to us than. At Liverpool and Middlesborough etc he was an excellent player but imo in a spurs shirt his peromances were not better than Rose in the past 2 seasons

I'm surprised your nostolgia hasn't lead to you picking Sedgley or Howells above Modric in the middle

Rose has improved to a very high level but IMO his final ball is still very much lacking. Ziege very rarely failed to get a quality final ball in. He was a threat in the opponents box in the air and the ground and he took a mean set piece. I also don't think you are remembering how good Carr was before his bad injury. If he hadn't done that I think he'd have gone to Man U. I'm sure. Forgie liked him. Carr had again far more end product than Walker in terms of getting forward and scoring goals and making assists as well as not having walkers brain farts that still happen.

 

[Shea]

Rose has improved to a very high level but IMO his final ball is still very much lacking. Ziege very rarely failed to get a quality final ball in. He was a threat in the opponents box in the air and the ground and he took a mean set piece. I also don't think you are remembering how good Carr was before his bad injury. If he hadn't done that I think he'd have gone to Man U. I'm sure. Forgie liked him. Carr had again far more end product than Walker in terms of getting forward and scoring goals and making assists as well as not having walkers brain farts that still happen.

I'm not forgetting how good Carr was, I remember both him and Ziege well. I can't argue that both had better end product but I do think many are over rating both.

I'm sure you can at least agree that Lloris is significantly better than Erik the viking

 

[DJS]

Much as I like Walker I think Carr was better in his prime.

Ziege also wasn't a left back, he was a specialist wing back and in a 4-4-2 was probably lot more suited to left wing (I remember Liverpool tried him at left back and weren't too great).

Anywhoo my team (from 91 onwards)

1. Lloris

2. Carr 4. Alderweireld 26. King 3. Rose

23. Carrick 14. Modric

9. Anderton 8. Gascoigne 11. Bale

10. Kane (yes I'm biased but I him and this was BEFORE he signed his new contract today!)

 

[dontcallme]

I think nostalgia is making you over rate some players from your youth

No way was Thorsvedt close to Lloris' level - let alone better than him

I also think a lot of people are over rating Carr in here because he stood out in a shit team for years

Also I think Ziege was a better player before coming to us than. At Liverpool and Middlesborough etc he was an excellent player but imo in a spurs shirt his peromances were not better than Rose in the past 2 seasons

I'm surprised your nostolgia hasn't lead to you picking Sedgley or Howells above Modric in the middle

Maybe you're the one with the terrible memory.

Stephen Carr was in the Prem team of the year twice in a row.

 

[Shea]

Maybe you're the one with the trrible memory.

Stephen Carr was in the Prem team of the year twice in a row.

You're not intelligent enough to be arrogant.

I was by no means being arrogant - quite surprised you saw it as such

My post was intended to be light hearted and I even put an emotiony icon thing in to try and illustrate that point

I was really just voicing my personal opinions in what I thought was an amusing way. I have no issue with people seeing players differently to the way I do - it's just opinions, that's what football is about fundamentally

 

[dontcallme]

I was by no means being arrogant - quite surprised you saw it as such

My post was intended to be light hearted and I even put an emotiony icon thing in to try and illustrate that point

I was really just voicing my personal opinions in what I thought was an amusing way. I have no issue with people seeing players differently to the way I do - it's just opinions, that's what football is about fundamentally

I love a bitchy shot at someone in the morning, sorry for being a dick.

 

[Kiedis]

Since 95, I'd say this team:

Lloris; Walker, Alderweireld, King, Rose; Modric, Carrick; Lennon, Berbatov, Bale; Kane

 

[Bus-Conductor]

He only stayed at Spurs the next season before going to Bordeaux. In the 87/88 season he struggled as did the entire team as Hoddle was replaced by Metgod, which didn't really work out too well. He struggled after leaving Spurs too. In the 84-86 period he was efficient but unspectacular. I'd suggest that had it not been for that one season of 86/87 he wouldn't even be thought of above our other strikers of the era like Archibald or Falco.

I would wager there have few strikers in our history with a better goals per game ratio than Allen (1.75 games per goal), only Greaves that I can think of (1.45), he's certainly got a better ratio than Defoe, Berbatov, Klinsmann, Sheringham.

It's ridiculous to bracket Clive Allen with Falco. I know he only had one fabulous season, but that was largely due to circumstance, the teams he played for (in a very different era) etc, but what an outstanding season that was, broke Greaves record and will probably never be surpassed. That QPR goal I posted is up there with any goal you'll ever see scored by any of the greats, it's a thing of utter beauty, and shows there was much more to Allen than Lineker say. People seem to forget that Clive Allen often led the line on his own for much of that season, as Pleat had us playing a pioneering system that veered from the ubiquitous 442, although I seem to remember Nico Claeson playing as well as at times.

I like Steve Archibald a lot, and think he often gets overlooked individually because his memory has become inextricably welded to Garth Crooks (who was also suffers the same fate) both were intelligent and talented strikers in their own right, but together were the best partnership I've ever seen in Spurs shirts at the same time.

And all of them were way above Falco on the ability tree, who was a good servant but incredibly limited.

If I was putting together a team of Spurs all time and making it in my image I would probably have Freddie Kanoute or Harry Kane up front because I love those types of uber strikers who can do everything but also graft for the team, Berbatov was a Rolls Royce but graft was not in his vocabulary, same Sheringham and IMO Klinsmann, like Lineker was a player who's intelligence got him a much better career than his pure ability merited.

Controversially, on pure ability and if at his very best, you would have to consider Adebayor, because at that very best he also had absolutely everything, and at his best was certainly a more complete striker than either Sheringham or Klinsmann.

 

[dagraham]

I would wager there have few strikers in our history with a better goals per game ratio than Allen (1.75 games per goal), only Greaves that I can think of (1.45), he's certainly got a better ratio than Defoe, Berbatov, Klinsmann, Sheringham.

It's ridiculous to bracket Clive Allen with Falco. I know he only had one fabulous season, but that was largely due to circumstance, the teams he played for (in a very different era) etc, but what an outstanding season that was, broke Greaves record and will probably never be surpassed. That QPR goal I posted is up there with any goal you'll ever see scored by any of the greats, it's a thing of utter beauty, and shows there was much more to Allen than Lineker say. People seem to forget that Clive Allen often led the line on his own for much of that season, as Pleat had us playing a pioneering system that veered from the ubiquitous 442, although I seem to remember Nico Claeson playing as well as at times.

I like Steve Archibald a lot, and think he often gets overlooked individually because his memory has become inextricably welded to Garth Crooks (who was also suffers the same fate) both were intelligent and talented strikers in their own right, but together were the best partnership I've ever seen in Spurs shirts at the same time.

And all of them were way above Falco on the ability tree, who was a good servant but incredibly limited.

If I was putting together a team of Spurs all time and making it in my image I would probably have Freddie Kanoute or Harry Kane up front because I love those types of uber strikers who can do everything but also graft for the team, Berbatov was a Rolls Royce but graft was not in his vocabulary, same Sheringham and IMO Klinsmann, like Lineker was a player who's intelligence got him a much better career than his pure ability merited.

Controversially, on pure ability and if at his very best, you would have to consider Adebayor, because at that very best he also had absolutely everything, and at his best was certainly a more complete striker than either Sheringham or Klinsmann.

I think you're seriously underrating Klinsmann in your assessment. To my mind the guy had no weaknesses. Great in the air, two footed, powerful shot, long range, inside the box, great movement, athletic, work rate. Wasn't lightning quick, but quick enough over the first few yards. Good, intelligent hold up play. Had the lot. Sure, he may not have the flair of Berbatov or even the un-playability of Adebayor on his day(when he was in the mood), but he was German. And ze Germans don't take 4 touches when one simple one will do.

 

[Bus-Conductor]

I think you're seriously underrating Klinsmann in your assessment. To my mind the guy had no weaknesses. Great in the air, two footed, powerful shot, long range, inside the box, great movement, athletic, work rate. Wasn't lightning quick, but quick enough over the first few yards. Good, intelligent hold up play. Had the lot. Sure, he may not have the flair of Berbatov or even the un-playability of Adebayor on his day(when he was in the mood), but he was German. And ze Germans don't take 4 touches when one simple one will do.

I don't think I am, he wasn't as technically gifted as players Berbatov, Kanoute or Adebayor, he wasn't as prolific throughout his career as some either (something like 2.5 per goal) despite playing for some great teams (he only averaged about 10 goals a season at inter), and he couldn't really move with the ball, but what he did have was good intelligence and he worked hard.

 

[dagraham]

I don't think I am, he wasn't as technically gifted as players Berbatov, Kanoute or Adebayor, he wasn't as prolific throughout his career as some either (something like 2.5 per goal) despite playing for some great teams (he only averaged about 10 goals a season at inter), and he couldn't really move with the ball, but what he did have was good intelligence and he worked hard.

I agree that with the ball at his feet he wasn't as good as those you've mentioned. He also wouldn't be setting up goals as much as a Berbatov who was an outrageously talented footballer.

As a striker though, I'd say he was better than them at almost everything else.

I loved Kanoute btw. A very under appreciated player and I was gutted when he left.

 

[PeeEyeEmPee]

since 86/87:

Lloris; Carr, King, Campbell, Bale; Modric, Hoddle, Gascoigne; Ginola, Waddle, Berbatov

subs: Clemence, Hughton, Ziege, Alderweireld, Anderton, Klinsmann, Lineker

 

[southlondonyiddo]

None at present but obviously Walker/Rose/Toby/Kane are not far away and who knows in the near future. Maybe even 1 or 2 more of the current team....

(When HK joins the Spurs 100 club who could keep him out!)

With my own eyes since 1975

Jennings
Carr
King
Rsol
Bale
Gazza
Hoddle
Modric
Klinsmann
Berbatov
Waddle

 

[talkshowhost86]

In my era it would be (in terms of making it a workable formation):

Lloris

Carr King Alderweireld Rose

Modric Carrick

Gazza VdV Bale

Berbatov
​

It's a wrench to leave out Ginola and Kane in particular, but I reckon that team would absolutely smash everyone...and in some style.

 

[am_yisrael_chai]

I would wager there have few strikers in our history with a better goals per game ratio than Allen (1.75 games per goal), only Greaves that I can think of (1.45), he's certainly got a better ratio than Defoe, Berbatov, Klinsmann, Sheringham.

It's ridiculous to bracket Clive Allen with Falco. I know he only had one fabulous season, but that was largely due to circumstance, the teams he played for (in a very different era) etc, but what an outstanding season that was, broke Greaves record and will probably never be surpassed. That QPR goal I posted is up there with any goal you'll ever see scored by any of the greats, it's a thing of utter beauty, and shows there was much more to Allen than Lineker say. People seem to forget that Clive Allen often led the line on his own for much of that season, as Pleat had us playing a pioneering system that veered from the ubiquitous 442, although I seem to remember Nico Claeson playing as well as at times.

I like Steve Archibald a lot, and think he often gets overlooked individually because his memory has become inextricably welded to Garth Crooks (who was also suffers the same fate) both were intelligent and talented strikers in their own right, but together were the best partnership I've ever seen in Spurs shirts at the same time.

And all of them were way above Falco on the ability tree, who was a good servant but incredibly limited.

If I was putting together a team of Spurs all time and making it in my image I would probably have Freddie Kanoute or Harry Kane up front because I love those types of uber strikers who can do everything but also graft for the team, Berbatov was a Rolls Royce but graft was not in his vocabulary, same Sheringham and IMO Klinsmann, like Lineker was a player who's intelligence got him a much better career than his pure ability merited.

Controversially, on pure ability and if at his very best, you would have to consider Adebayor, because at that very best he also had absolutely everything, and at his best was certainly a more complete striker than either Sheringham or Klinsmann.

Very unfair on Falco who like Kane was "one of our own". Yes he didn't have much pace but he scored regularly against top quality opposition. I remember him scoring at WHL against Bayern Munich in the UEFA Cup, so he wasn't a flat track bully but a highly effective scorer of goals. For the 2 seasons before he was replaced by Allen he was a 1 in 2 goalscorer which is pretty similar to Allen if you exclude the freak 86/87.

Shame on you for even mentioning Adebayor alongside the other strikers. Regardless of talent he always played for himself rather than the team. Pure poison.

 

[TheHoddleWaddle]

In my era it would be (in terms of making it a workable formation):

Lloris

Carr King Alderweireld Rose

Modric Carrick

Gazza VdV Bale

Berbatov
​

It's a wrench to leave out Ginola and Kane in particular, but I reckon that team would absolutely smash everyone...and in some style.

That's a very sexy team. I can just about lay claim to Hoddle, so would swap out VdV for him but the rest, id agree barring the striker. I simply cannot decide. Even Chris Armstrong or Rasiak would score with a midfield like that!

 

[Hot Spur]

Seen them all since the mid 1950's, non of the current squad would be anywhere near an all time best team.