How much of it can we keep together?

[Lighty64]

Utter bollocks. Winning the curling cup didn’t set us back doesnt make sense in the slightest. Also it’s very different now in that it would be very beneficial for this group of players at this time in their development together to win a trophy, any trophy which will give them that winning feeling. It’s no coincidence Mouriniho prioritises it in his first season or 2 at a club in the PL as if managed the right way it is a platform and springboard for success.

Also if you read my post properly you’ll see it’s not all ‘doom and gloom’ but what I have done is made some very astute and accurate points and considerations/concerns based on our situation.

the thing is with Moaninho he has never managed a team that doesn't have the funds. he managed Porto a team that's been up there in the Portuguese league that only has 2 title challengers every season. he came over when Chelsea where spending money by the bucket loads, Inter where 1 of the top teams in Italy, RM in Spain, back to Chelsea, and now Man U.

 

[Guntz]

the thing is with Moaninho he has never managed a team that doesn't have the funds. he managed Porto a team that's been up there in the Portuguese league that only has 2 title challengers every season. he came over when Chelsea where spending money by the bucket loads, Inter where 1 of the top teams in Italy, RM in Spain, back to Chelsea, and now Man U.

Top class managers always manage top clubs, I don't buy this "oh he's only managed big teams who spend alot."

There's a reason why Mourinho has won silverware in every club he's managed, he's a born winner who knows how to get the job done. Simple as that.

I love Poch but he could learn alot from Mourinho, particularly the tactical nous on grinding out wins even when not playing well.

 

[SugarRay]

Mourinho earned the right to manage the top clubs. The Porto champions league win and the Inter champions league win are special achievements. Anything he did either side of those aren’t anywhere near as impressive.

Pep hasn’t done anything that matches either of those successes imo, not even close.

If Mourinho was at Tottenham for 3 years, he’d have at least one trophy in the bag, no doubt at all

 

[thePessimist]

Regardless of this year's results I think we must prepare for 2-3 exits. I don't think it's a huge problem as long as Poch stays (and Kane too, who I'm pretty sure will stay anyway).

One of Poch's strengths is creating a collective. I'm sure he'll regroup and go again

 

[TH1239]

We really shouldn't be blase about the prospect of top players leaving our squad during such an important period in the club's history. Losing Christian Eriksen would be a hammer blow to the squad. If he goes, Pochettino will be right behind him in my opinion. He's been the best player at the club over the duration of the last 5 seasons, and there isn't a single player we could realistically sign with our tight financial restrictions that could come close replacing him. You might be able to make the case that players like Rose, Dier or even Dele could be worth selling for astronomical fees (they are the three players I think will potentially move next summer to domestic rivals), but Eriksen is on a different plane than those three in my opinion. He is the centerpiece of this squad. When he's not playing or off form, the team rarely puts in good performances.

It's a tenuous time and the stewards of the club have got to get things right with player contracts and transfer business in the next 18 months. Liverpool and United went through a rough 3-4 years, but have now built very good squads, have good managers, and have lots of money to fill in holes. City and Chelsea have rebuilt their aging squads with top talent, and can spend another 200 million pounds every year they want to replenish any problem areas. There's no free rides any longer. To stay in the top 4, it's going to take sustained talent retention, acquisition and development.

 

[SpursDave88]

We really shouldn't be blase about the prospect of top players leaving our squad during such an important period in the club's history. Losing Christian Eriksen would be a hammer blow to the squad. If he goes, Pochettino will be right behind him in my opinion. He's been the best player at the club over the duration of the last 5 seasons, and there isn't a single player we could realistically sign with our tight financial restrictions that could come close replacing him. You might be able to make the case that players like Rose, Dier or even Dele could be worth selling for astronomical fees (they are the three players I think will potentially move next summer to domestic rivals), but Eriksen is on a different plane than those three in my opinion. He is the centerpiece of this squad. When he's not playing or off form, the team rarely puts in good performances.

It's a tenuous time and the stewards of the club have got to get things right with player contracts and transfer business in the next 18 months. Liverpool and United went through a rough 3-4 years, but have now built very good squads, have good managers, and have lots of money to fill in holes. City and Chelsea have rebuilt their aging squads with top talent, and can spend another 200 million pounds every year they want to replenish any problem areas. There's no free rides any longer. To stay in the top 4, it's going to take sustained talent retention, acquisition and development.

You are of course 100% correct. But being honest we've had our chance with these players and barring a miracle champions league win a la Chelsea I worry we may have missed it. Again I hope I'm wrong.

 

[shelfboy68]

We really shouldn't be blase about the prospect of top players leaving our squad during such an important period in the club's history. Losing Christian Eriksen would be a hammer blow to the squad. If he goes, Pochettino will be right behind him in my opinion. He's been the best player at the club over the duration of the last 5 seasons, and there isn't a single player we could realistically sign with our tight financial restrictions that could come close replacing him. You might be able to make the case that players like Rose, Dier or even Dele could be worth selling for astronomical fees (they are the three players I think will potentially move next summer to domestic rivals), but Eriksen is on a different plane than those three in my opinion. He is the centerpiece of this squad. When he's not playing or off form, the team rarely puts in good performances.

It's a tenuous time and the stewards of the club have got to get things right with player contracts and transfer business in the next 18 months. Liverpool and United went through a rough 3-4 years, but have now built very good squads, have good managers, and have lots of money to fill in holes. City and Chelsea have rebuilt their aging squads with top talent, and can spend another 200 million pounds every year they want to replenish any problem areas. There's no free rides any longer. To stay in the top 4, it's going to take sustained talent retention, acquisition and development.

Of which we are not prepared to do so wher do they go with the levy plan.

 

[ardiles&villa]

Fuck me this is depressing. I cant even bring myself to read through this thread. Tottenham will always remain, and the club will always be bigger than the player. We may regress we may succeed but Tottenham’s future it bright and im sure that we will regroup, recreate that bit of magic that will always be there and replace any player that jumps at the opportunity to earn more. That’s how it will be until we can challenge the big boys with the same amount of funds as they throw around.

 

[Lighty64]

I think it will unravel at the end of this season, I think people are in for a big shock!
I think players will leave and Poch with them! He has tried hard but as I said in another thread, we just don’t have a big enough talented enough squad and we all know Levy will not fund either big purchase or big wages. I think Poch has realized that just about now! He knows this squad is not big or good enough to win the league or the CL and he will get offers! And when the players start to leave and they will, he will be gone! I think we will struggle on with the squad we have and not win a cup, league or CL and I think we will finish top 6

do you always post negative post, or do I miss the positive ones?

last season we was going to struggle to finish in the top 4, and that Arsenal would catch us (think that was the game before we cemented finishing above them)

 

[Lighty64]

Utter bollocks. Winning the curling cup didn’t set us back doesnt make sense in the slightest. Also it’s very different now in that it would be very beneficial for this group of players at this time in their development together to win a trophy, any trophy which will give them that winning feeling. It’s no coincidence Mouriniho prioritises it in his first season or 2 at a club in the PL as if managed the right way it is a platform and springboard for success.

Also if you read my post properly you’ll see it’s not all ‘doom and gloom’ but what I have done is made some very astute and accurate points and considerations/concerns based on our situation.

when we won it in 1999 it never did us any favours, it didn't give us the winning mentality or we would of beat Newcastle that same season in the FA Cup semi final, or Arsenal in the semi's the year after that.

when we won it in 2008 we then went on a complete shit run to finish the season, 8 games into the new season we had 2pts from 8, got to the final again and lost​

Well regardless that is 2 trophies which is 1 more than we’ve won in 25 years! And it may not mean much as it’s one game but I personally still think the charity shield counts as something.

as it's not been pointed out to you yet 2 trophies in 26yrs. I agree not good enough, and winning the Carabao Cup this season with a depleted squad would take it's toll on the rest of the season.

 

[lukespurs7]

when we won it in 1999 it never did us any favours, it didn't give us the winning mentality or we would of beat Newcastle that same season in the FA Cup semi final, or Arsenal in the semi's the year after that.

when we won it in 2008 we then went on a complete shit run to finish the season, 8 games into the new season we had 2pts from 8, got to the final again and lost​

as it's not been pointed out to you yet 2 trophies in 26yrs. I agree not good enough, and winning the Carabao Cup this season with a depleted squad would take it's toll on the rest of the season.

comparing winning it back then to the potential effect of winning it now is stupid. The past 2 times we’ve won it our squad and club has been a mess and there was no long term plan, however now we have a team and squad that has been together for 3-4 years and are continually improving and growing together so I think for them just having that taste of winning and lifting a trophy could propel them to win more.

On your second point, it’s about 4 games we’d have to have won to get to the final and 3 of those could’ve been with our 2nd string which gives them more minutes and keeps them happy, then we just play our best XI in a one off final game so I completely disagree it would depleate our squad at all.

 

[Lighty64]

comparing winning it back then to the potential effect of winning it now is stupid. The past 2 times we’ve won it our squad and club has been a mess and there was no long term plan, however now we have a team and squad that has been together for 3-4 years and are continually improving and growing together so I think for them just having that taste of winning and lifting a trophy could propel them to win more.

On your second point, it’s about 4 games we’d have to have won to get to the final and 3 of those could’ve been with our 2nd string which gives them more minutes and keeps them happy, then we just play our best XI in a one off final game so I completely disagree it would depleate our squad at all.

in Poch's 1st season we got to the final, by time April come everyone was knackered, and had a poor finish.

do you honestly believe that if we had beat Wet Spam Wenger would of played as weaker starting XI he might do v Spam?

 

[coys200]

Levy just won’t let it happen apart from Maybe Rose. It would literally be like some upper class toff moving into a brand new swanky house with no furniture. Levy has worked on the stadium for 10 years it’s his absolute pride and joy. There is absolutely no way he will have it tainted by a player exodus not in a million years.

 

[tiger666]

When have these dreaded player exoduses ever happened?

 

[King of Otters]

They'll all leave eventually, such is modern football. Best to just accept it for what it is and enjoy the ride.

 

[McArchibald]

They'll all leave eventually, such is modern football. Best to just accept it for what it is and enjoy the ride.

We've got to be more ambitious than that. We should fight tooth and nail to keep our star players on board - especially since it's hard for us to buy replacements

Take the Kyle Walker sale for instance. By no means our most important player last season, but still a catastrophic mistake in my opinion - in spite of the quality of his replacements Sanchez and (potentially) Aurier. It sends out all the wrong signals to the rest of the squad, the competition, the media, potential recruits etc.

I shudder to think what selling Alli or Eriksen would do...

 

[WexfordTownSpur]

do you always post negative post, or do I miss the positive ones?

last season we was going to struggle to finish in the top 4, and that Arsenal would catch us (think that was the game before we cemented finishing above them)

Yer you must miss them. Glad to know you keeping such a keen eye on All my posts. Keep up the good work

 

[JUSTINSIGNAL]

When have these dreaded player exoduses ever happened?

NEVER ever. Even during the AVB/Sherwood debacle people were saying everyone was going to leave because we got Poch at the end of the season instead of FdB and look what happened...

 

[Lighty64]

Yer you must miss them. Glad to know you keeping such a keen eye on All my posts. Keep up the good work

I only see your post in threads I'm interested in, and just always see negativity

 

[coys200]

The only irreplaceable player currently I’d say is kane and maybe Toby. Everyone else is replaceable with the silly money we’d get for them.