Huddlestone the new Carrick??

[C0YS]

A lot of United fans are MUGS but I know some who are very knowledgeable on the game who hold the same estimation as many Spurs fans as to the excellent contribution and quality of Michael Carrick.

You are right, however, that attributing 2 Premiership titles largely to him are erroneous. A valueable team member in a team game, yes, but a remarkable contribution like Ronaldo, no:roll:

I didn't say that though, I said "one of the reasons" I think the fact that since Carrick has gone to Man utd, man utd have yet to fail to win the PL is more then a coincidence

 

[cenk]

It wasnt disgraceful well 43 successfull passes to 11 failed ones, he had more successfull passes then any other player in our team, okay maybe not great success ratio.

But Andy Ried who apparently had a great game has almost identical states with 45 successfull passes 12 failed ones.

and against stoke he held an amazing statistic 35 passes all successfull

Where do you get your stats from? it would be interesting to compear him to other CMs in the League against similar opposition. Barry, Carrick, Flechter, Song, Essien...

 

[C0YS]

Where do you get your stats from? it would be interesting to compear him to other CMs in the League against similar opposition. Barry, Carrick, Flechter, Song, Essien...

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[cenk]

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This website's proper detailed, that'll take another half hour out of my working day!!!

Cheers

 

[teddy_sheringham_125]

I didn't say that though, I said "one of the reasons" I think the fact that since Carrick has gone to Man utd, man utd have yet to fail to win the PL is more then a coincidence

I'd say it was almost entirely a coincidence. The reason Utd won three titles in a row was that they had the best team. Carrick did play a part in that, but to say that he made a massive contribution to that would be wrong. Ronaldo made a massive contribution, Carrick merely contributed no more than the average player in the team at that time.

 

[StartingPrice]

I didn't say that though, I said "one of the reasons" I think the fact that since Carrick has gone to Man utd, man utd have yet to fail to win the PL is more then a coincidence

Yes but COYS I was agreeing with you.

You must try and be subtle in your thought here: I was explaining to <teddy_sheringham_125 > that just because some United fans are mugs it doesn't mean all are, and that some of those who aren't, that I know, share the high esteem in which Spurs fans (like you, like me) hold MC. When I then commented on MC being primarily responsible for their winning 2 titles since he went there I was responding specifically to his comment, not yours, concerning the value of MC. It was him who compared the impact of MC to that of Ronaldo (as far as I am aware you made no such comparison), and stating that, obviously, anyone who truly believed that must be mad - but that doesn't in any way negate from the sensibleness of believing MC is a seriously good player:-|

 

[jamesc0le]

Yes but COYS I was agreeing with you.

You must try and be subtle in your thought here: I was explaining to <teddy_sheringham_125 > that just because some United fans are mugs is doesn't mean all are, and that some of those who aren't, that I know, share the high esteem in which Spurs fans (like you, like me) hold MC. When I then commented on MC being primarily responsible for their winning 2 titles since he went there I was responding specifically to his comment, not yours, concerning the value of MC. It was him who compared the impact of MC to that of Ronaldo (as far as I am aware you made no such comparison), and stating that, obviously, anyone who truly believed that must be mad - but that doesn't in any way negate from the sensibleness of believing MC is a seriously good player:-|

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[walworthyid]

It wasnt disgraceful well 43 successfull passes to 11 failed ones, he had more successfull passes then any other player in our team, okay maybe not great success ratio.

But Andy Ried who apparently had a great game has almost identical states with 45 successfull passes 12 failed ones.

and against stoke he held an amazing statistic 35 passes all successfull

tbh those mean nothing! I take notice of what my eyes see and they saw Reid have a much better game than Hudd and Malbranque have a better game than either of them!

Hudd has great technique for long passing and shooting, there are few better in the prem. However, the other aspects of his game are very poor indeed, not least his much talked about lack of mobility. He just doesn't do it for me in any way.

Not a fan and never have been! Seen nearly every one of his games for us and he has played well in about 10% of them, he has been fantastic in about 3 games and poor/average in the overwhelming majority. Not good enough, never will be.

 

[lukespurs7]

Hudd has come on leaps and bounds,he and Carrick are similar players both are fantastic passers,Hudd mabye slightly shades it but Carrick is more mobile,Hudd mabye has a better shot,but Carrick has better positional play so there are strengths and weaknesses,However I still think Hudd is some way of Carrick,he really was making us tick before he went to Man.U and was a massive loss who we've struggled to replace,If we take Hudd out of our team and put in arguably our next CM(Jenas) if you are calling Hudd 2nd choice then for me I don't think our performance will have changed that much.

Hudd really is getting better but no way is he Carrick yet!

 

[pezinhoTHFC]

I'm proud of the way The hudd has developed himself. He's becoming an awesome prospect.

His tackling is also coming along nicely too.

That's the area where I feel Carrick is slightly ahead. Needless to say, I think Hudd has the potential to surpass Carrick. Harry certainly feels comfortable relying on him, given that he's started every game so far.

 

[cenk]

tbh those mean nothing! I take notice of what my eyes see and they saw Reid have a much better game than Hudd and Malbranque have a better game than either of them!

Hudd has great technique for long passing and shooting, there are few better in the prem. However, the other aspects of his game are very poor indeed, not least his much talked about lack of mobility. He just doesn't do it for me in any way.

Not a fan and never have been! Seen nearly every one of his games for us and he has played well in about 10% of them, he has been fantastic in about 3 games and poor/average in the overwhelming majority. Not good enough, never will be.

I really hate this 'never will be' crap. Passing (especially long passing) and shooting are the raw talents footballers like Huddlestone have naturally and are very difficult to learn. Mobility is not essential for a CM. Huddlestone has to learn skills to hold the ball and judgement when to make the short ball and how not to lose poscession. These can all be learnt with good coaching and experience. In fact, I'd go as far to say if Huddlestone does not become world class, then I blame the coaching, his raw talents are enough to make him into a regular international.

 

[walworthyid]

I really hate this 'never will be' crap. Passing (especially long passing) and shooting are the raw talents footballers like Huddlestone have naturally and are very difficult to learn. Mobility is not essential for a CM. Huddlestone has to learn skills to hold the ball and judgement when to make the short ball and how not to lose poscession. These can all be learnt with good coaching and experience. In fact, I'd go as far to say if Huddlestone does not become world class, then I blame the coaching, his raw talents are enough to make him into a regular international.

I'm not sure I agree that you can coach awareness and the kind of technical skills that players like Modric have to make space for themselves when recieving the ball in tight situations? If you could, then why can't all players do it? Why is a player like Modric or Fabregas worth 20 million and more? Neither is a great dribbler, shooter, scorer of goals? Neither is quick, strong, a great tackler? Or Xavi, Iniesta?

I agree that you can teach technical skills to a degree, but to a 22 or 23 year old? Vision and the technical skills that are needed to express it are things that are in part natural and in part nurtured. Players have the natural ability and then learn/develop the skills to compliment that ability.

Besides which, why do people automatically assume that the ability to strike a ball wonderfully, like Hudd does, or have the vision and technical skill to land 60 yard passes on a sixpence, as hudd has, means that he can also pass short? Or find angles? Or make space in tight situations? It is a totally different world. Hudd could out shoot both Modric and Fabregas, he could probably hit more long passes accurately than either of them, he is better than them at that, but he certainly couldn't dominate the game the way that they both do with clever passing and movement, with vision and technical skill, finding space and looking for angles.

You may hate all of this "never will be good enough crap", but the fact is that he is the same as Modric and Fabregas and isn't even on the same planet in footballing terms, and in all likelihood never will be.

 

[southlondonyiddo]

I really hate this 'never will be' crap. Passing (especially long passing) and shooting are the raw talents footballers like Huddlestone have naturally and are very difficult to learn. Mobility is not essential for a CM. Huddlestone has to learn skills to hold the ball and judgement when to make the short ball and how not to lose poscession. These can all be learnt with good coaching and experience. In fact, I'd go as far to say if Huddlestone does not become world class, then I blame the coaching, his raw talents are enough to make him into a regular international.

What about when he/we dont have the ball,he's got so much improving to do in that department. Against decent opposition they play round him like he's a statue

To be fair to him in comparison to JJ/Lamps/Carrick etc He probably still does have a season and a half of top flight football experience ahead of him to improve before we can finally tell whether he'll be a top top player or just another mid table premiership CM player.

It'll be a shame If he doesn't step up but he wont be the 1st with great potential and he certainly wont be the last that hasn't quite got that something extra in his mentality/mobility etc etc

Jury is still out but the fat lady is slowly warming up

 

[WexfordTownSpur]

What about when he/we dont have the ball,he's got so much improving to do in that department. Against decent opposition they play round him like he's a statue

To be fair to him in comparison to JJ/Lamps/Carrick etc He probably still does have a season and a half of top flight football experience ahead of him to improve before we can finally tell whether he'll be a top top player or just another mid table premiership CM player.

It'll be a shame If he doesn't step up but he wont be the 1st with great potential and he certainly wont be the last that hasn't quite got that something extra in his mentality/mobility etc etc

Jury is still out but the fat lady is slowly warming up

He's problem is Speed, physical and mental - not sure he will improve on either......

 

[BringBack_leGin]

I find the people going on about his brilliance on the ball being undone by his uselessness off the ball rather amusing, because they clearly have not watched our last few matches (not while engaging their brains anyway) and are just sticking to the Hudd stereotype.

In the last 3 or 4 games he has been pretty poor (by his own standards anyway) on the ball, with his touch seemingly abandoning him, his passing being either safety first or just plain sloppy and his adventure nowhere to be seen. However, off the ball he is tackling a fair bit, and pretty well, moreso Palacios for instance, and he has been putting in a lot of blocks in front of our defence as well.

I'm not being pro or anti Hudd here, I'm just having a good laugh at a lot of posters on SC.

 

[southlondonyiddo]

I find the people going on about his brilliance on the ball being undone by his uselessness off the ball rather amusing, because they clearly have not watched our last few matches (not while engaging their brains anyway) and are just sticking to the Hudd stereotype.

In the last 3 or 4 games he has been pretty poor (by his own standards anyway) on the ball, with his touch seemingly abandoning him, his passing being either safety first or just plain sloppy and his adventure nowhere to be seen. However, off the ball he is tackling a fair bit, and pretty well, moreso Palacios for instance, and he has been putting in a lot of blocks in front of our defence as well.

I'm not being pro or anti Hudd here, I'm just having a good laugh at a lot of posters on SC.

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Against 3 crap central midfields and a passenger at scumsville. Cant say I've seen him putting himself about too much especially considering the mainly very average oppo

 

[diegooners]

Needs Modric. IT'S THAT SIMPLE. With a playmaker who dictates play, is always available, constantly making runs etc, Huddlestone is a cut above Jenas, and most other centre mids around. Take away the movement elsewhere in the attacking quartile and he is a passenger. He should be an established international in a few years, as you would expect at that level that there will always be players with movement who allow him to fully utilise his talents,and not be shown up by his weaknesses.