If not us, then who...?

[Spurslove]

Between @aliyid and myself, we provided you with reasons why Liverpool winning would be a serious set-back for the club the support and is not dependent on whether you know/don't know or like/hate Liverpool fans. It is on page two, here:

If not us, then who...?

OK, I've read your reasons for not wanting Liverpool to win it (if we don't). I do understand your point of view, but I don't share it.

For reasons which I've explained, i couldn't care less if Liverpool win it. I don't care about their fans and what they say, what they think of us, screw them, and the idea that we are going to stay exactly as we are is nonsense too. We are going places as a club just the same as Liverpool are, the only difference being that they are consolidating their status and we are in the advanced stages of seriously upgrading ours.

 

[StartingPrice]

OK, I've read your reasons for not wanting Liverpool to win it (if we don't). I do understand your point of view, but I don't share it.

For reasons which I've explained, i couldn't care less if Liverpool win it. I don't care about their fans and what they say, what they think of us, screw them, and the idea that we are going to stay exactly as we are is nonsense too. We are going places as a club just the same as Liverpool are, the only difference being that they are consolidating their status and we are in the advanced stages of seriously upgrading ours.

Thanks for the response. I only posted again what aliyid and myself had already posted because you made no reference to it, but only to the dislike of their fans, in summing up why you still held the same view.

If it helps, and if you missed it, it is usually me arguing that we have to believe we have every right to aspire to be better than Liverpool. And that we are going in the right direction, and that the final destination is a better place than any of us have known since the early to mid eighties, or even the sixties. Despite the negs (and a touch of personal abuse) I was about the only poster to say we would finish above Liverpool and in the top four seven seasons ago (or is it eight now?). I have maintained that we would finish above them every season since - again with a bit of negs/abuse thrown in. So I am not being in thrall to Liverpool...and certainly not just for the sake of it.

And I never said we would stay exactly the same. We will still have a new stadium, and it will still be in London, and it will still be better than Liverpool's cobbled together development. And we still have an exciting young squad and some very exciting kids in the yoot. Not to mention an excellent young coach - who could well be here for the long haul. So, just to reiterate, I didn't say we would stand still if Liverpool win the league.

My concern is this: Even with us finishing above them in six of the last seven seasons, our own fans have an inferiority complex about them. Imagine how much worse that will be if, after years of us steadily improving but not winning the league (or anything else), they won the league. Marketing is important, so number of fans is important - and they have more fans than us, both in the UK and overseas. Imagine how another title win will feed their legend - that allows them to do that? I know from experience, I had a friend from Botswana, and all of us were Spursfans, so he said he supported Spurs. Got back to Botswana after he graduated, and all his friends at home were Pool fans - and hey presto, he's a confirmed Scouser, now. Years of failure chip into their international fan-base. It doesn't benefit us, or anyone else who wants to be better than them, for them to have success, especially title success. We have halved the revenues deficit with them over the last decade - but they still generate about half as much again as we do. Winning the title will give them a financial boost. We need to eat into their revenues advantage more, not see them gain a financial boost.

I have maintained since Klopp joined them that he hasn't proven he can cope with the added competitiveness of the BPL. Win the league and he will have. So, Liverpool would cease to be a club in decline, and become one with more revenues than us, a greater national and international fan-base, a renowned and successful manager, and successful in England, a stadium redeveloped before ours and a financial/reputation boost. As I said, I fear they could leap-frog us, again, for another five or ten years. We are all entitled to our opinions, and hopefully we will never find out which of us is right. I just don't feel so relaxed about this as you do.

Also...their fans are twats!

 

[Spurslove]

Thanks for the response. I only posted again what aliyid and myself had already posted because you made no reference to it, but only to the dislike of their fans, in summing up why you still held the same view.

If it helps, and if you missed it, it is usually me arguing that we have to believe we have every right to aspire to be better than Liverpool. And that we are going in the right direction, and that the final destination is a better place than any of us have known since the early to mid eighties, or even the sixties. Despite the negs (and a touch of personal abuse) I was about the only poster to say we would finish above Liverpool and in the top four seven seasons ago (or is it eight now?). I have maintained that we would finish above them every season since - again with a bit of negs/abuse thrown in. So I am not being in thrall to Liverpool...and certainly not just for the sake of it.

And I never said we would stay exactly the same. We will still have a new stadium, and it will still be in London, and it will still be better than Liverpool's cobbled together development. And we still have an exciting young squad and some very exciting kids in the yoot. Not to mention an excellent young coach - who could well be here for the long haul. So, just to reiterate, I didn't say we would stand still if Liverpool win the league.

My concern is this: Even with us finishing above them in six of the last seven seasons, our own fans have an inferiority complex about them. Imagine how much worse that will be if, after years of us steadily improving but not winning the league (or anything else), they won the league. Marketing is important, so number of fans is important - and they have more fans than us, both in the UK and overseas. Imagine how another title win will feed their legend - that allows them to do that? I know from experience, I had a friend from Botswana, and all of us were Spursfans, so he said he supported Spurs. Got back to Botswana after he graduated, and all his friends at home were Pool fans - and hey presto, he's a confirmed Scouser, now. Years of failure chip into their international fan-base. It doesn't benefit us, or anyone else who wants to be better than them, for them to have success, especially title success. We have halved the revenues deficit with them over the last decade - but they still generate about half as much again as we do. Winning the title will give them a financial boost. We need to eat into their revenues advantage more, not see them gain a financial boost.

I have maintained since Klopp joined them that he hasn't proven he can cope with the added competitiveness of the BPL. Win the league and he will have. So, Liverpool would cease to be a club in decline, and become one with more revenues than us, a greater national and international fan-base, a renowned and successful manager, and successful in England, a stadium redeveloped before ours and a financial/reputation boost. As I said, I fear they could leap-frog us, again, for another five or ten years. We are all entitled to our opinions, and hopefully we will never find out which of us is right. I just don't feel so relaxed about this as you do.

Also...their fans are twats!

Yes, I'm sure many of them are. Having said that, no club's supporters are immune to twattism.

I take your points, they are very relevant and I wouldn't necessarily argue with any great conviction against any of them.

For all we know, a little way down the line of our development phase, Tottenham could be bought up by some mega-billionaire and from then on in, who knows what could happen. It's certainly not beyond the realms of possibility.

Putting our personal feelings aside about one club or another, and trying to be dispassionate about it, I just feel that Liverpool have a fantastic history in the game, far beyond the likes of Chelsea or City and I for one wouldn't mind if they won it for the first time (of course, if we didn't). With every fibre of my being, I hope we can do it before they ever do.

Cheers for your views, they are well made.

 

[StartingPrice]

Yes, I'm sure many of them are. Having said that, no club's supporters are immune to twattism.

I take your points, they are very relevant and I wouldn't necessarily argue with any great conviction against any of them.

For all we know, a little way down the line of our development phase, Tottenham could be bought up by some mega-billionaire and from then on in, who knows what could happen. It's certainly not beyond the realms of possibility.

Putting our personal feelings aside about one club or another, and trying to be dispassionate about it, I just feel that Liverpool have a fantastic history in the game, far beyond the likes of Chelsea or City and I for one wouldn't mind if they won it for the first time (of course, if we didn't). With every fibre of my being, I hope we can do it before they ever do.

Cheers for your views, they are well made.

Thanks for the reply.

No clubs fans are immune from twattism, apart from Chelsea's...they are ****s.

You are right, we could get taken over by a billionaire (though I don't have any immediate plans to invest in that direction ).

Everything you say about Liverpool, from the neutral perspective, is true - I can't disagree with it. The problem is, I am not in any way, shape or form, a neutral, and I can't make any decision on who I would prefer to see winning the league, if not us, as a neutral. Indeed, every single match I watch that has any bearing at all on being a Spurs fan, I see as a Spurs fan. So, as a Spurs fan, knowing that they are the closest of all the clubs above us, in terms of finance, and that we have already finished above them in six of the last seven seasons, the very last thing I would want would be Liverpool winning the league.