HotspurFC1950
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I think many posters here are discounting the quality of our own self produced young players.
If we do not sign anymore new players
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Francis Gibbs
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You mean youngsters who have played zero PL minutes or next to zero PL minutes ..... can't imagine why by and large many would discount them
Lilbaz
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Yep, players like pritchard who were more highly rated than kane in the youth and has done fantastic for brentford.
Players like Alli that everyone who has seen him thinks he will be the next gerrard. I disagree, i think he will be the new hoddle.
Players like onomah who was playing for the u21's at the age of 15. Only 18 now but from the looks of preseason along with winks is being groomed for a place in the squad.
Players like carroll who was the captain of the england u21 side.
Milos, ccv both stand out performers at the u20 world cup. Milos coming home a winner.
Give them a chance they might suprise you. Other european clubs seem to manage to integrate young players into their squads. What makes us different.
sim0n
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but i think it is safe to say soldado has one foot out the door and ade,... well, is ade-like...
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True but the OP states:
"What if there is no intention to sign anymore players ie that Poch etc are content we have the players, what would your team and squad be ?
Please no posts that say we will bring in more players.
This thread is about assuming we are happy to run with what we have."
Not sure why you have a problem with me staying on topic.
Francis Gibbs
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all that may be true and each of them in their age bracket and youth football in general may be the second coming but sorry this doesn't mean by a long shot that they will be a success in the toughest league in the world .... try them for sure, not collectively but try them - but you simply cannot count on them at the expense of a squad place for experienced PL proven talent. Certainly not in the numbers mentioned and certainly not for a side supposedly interested in challenging for the top 4.
Lilbaz
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I think you'll find that we can. Bentaleb, kane and mason all had less experience of senior football than the ones i mentioned yet did better than our expensive buys.
We will buy a couple more players and if we sell townsend even a few more. But the kids will be used at some point this season and you will need to learn to trust them.
Poch said that we have the best academy in europe. It would be an absolute crime to waste it.
HotspurFC1950
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sim0n
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dontcallme
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okay, then start ade and soldado up top and switch to 4-4-2
Why?
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thought might share this piece, sorry if it is posted
http://www.spursfanatic.com/blog/tactical-mauricio-pochettino-defensive-midfield/
Mauricio Pochettino has to address the problems that exist in defensive midfield this season if we are to progress.
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Good points of Mason and Bentaleb partnership
Mauricio Pochettino eventually settled on the combination of Nabil Bentaleb and Ryan Mason for the majority of Premier League starts for the two positions. Both players bring some good points to the defensive midfield area.
As the more defensive midfielder, Nabil Bentaleb is very capable of dropping deep between the splitting centre backs in order to bring the ball out. Although he doesn’t have the same range of long passing as Etienne Capoue did, his mid-range and short passing is better, quicker and on-point.
In the defensive phase he is actually better than many give him credit for. Nabil is used to playing further forward, but he is a very good tackler and interceptor of the ball. His anticipation and reading of the game from a defensive standpoint is beyond his young years and he does a decent job of covering his full back when he goes forward.
A defensive chart for our match away to Liverpool sums up where he is as a player at the minute perfectly. He makes four out of four attempted tackles (the x’s), three interceptions (diamonds), two clearances (circles) and just one foul (black triangle).
The downside is the blue triangle. This is where his errant pass gifted a goal-scoring chance to Daniel Sturridge. This would be repeated a few matches later as his square pass went straight to Wayne Rooney, who punished his moment of negligence with a goal at Old Trafford. It’s clear that situational awareness is a part of Bentaleb’s game that needs to improve.
Alongside Bentaleb, Ryan Mason also fulfils some good points of the criteria that Mauricio Pochettino wants from the box-to-box player.
Mason does excel at moving the ball forward through quick passing. Take our last game of the season away at Everton, where he was looking to get the ball out on the diagonal or up the pitch at every opportunity.
The aggressive nature of his passing means that a number of vertical ones don’t reach their target, these are shown in red. However, he does create three shooting opportunities, highlighted by the aqua arrows.
Mason does play with his head on a swivel and has decent awareness of where he needs to get the ball too. He also plays at tempo, which is what Mauricio Pochettino requires from this player to get attacks moving through the midfield zone.
Areas for improvement
They have their good points, but both Mason and Bentaleb have areas for improvement.
As pointed out above, Nabil needs to work on his situational awareness to know more of what is going on around him on the pitch. The stray passes to Sturridge and Rooney were a part of his game last season and a recurring theme at points in the campaign. Tiredness from representing Algeria at the AFCON and being just 20-years old played a part, but it needs to be ironed out of his play.
Ryan Mason can pass the ball, but he needs to improve the defensive side of his game. Statisticians will tell you that he made the most tackles per game along with Danny Rose last season, but he was also dribbled past more than any other Spurs player too. Having just looked at Bentaleb’s defensive effort in the game up at Anfield, compare that with Mason’s display where he made two tackles (green x) and was dribbled past 6 times (orange x). He also has the deathly blue triangle of gifting a scoring chance to the opposition.
The problem with Ryan Mason is that he is slightly undersized and a little lightweight to be a force in the defensive midfield area of the pitch. He won 50% of his tackles, which is less than Bentaleb’s 59%, Dembele’s 62% and even Paulinho’s 61%. Naturally due to his size, he also struggles in aerial duels where his 40% win rate is 20% below that of Bentaleb and Paulinho.
Nowhere more was Mason’s aerial ability exposed than in the 3-0 drubbing by Man Utd at Old Trafford. Marouane Fellaini abused him in the first half before Nabil Bentaleb was switched to mark the Belgian after the interval.
The game also highlighted Mason’s defensive positioning, something which needs to be worked on. Fellaini not only used his size in the air, but then drifted off the back of Mason in to the space between the lines.
This then gave our back line problems as to who to mark and was a big reason why we conceded so many goals last season – a lack of cover for our centre backs.
Mason’s ability to close and defend the space between the lines was his Achilles heel last season and a major reason why he would be better used further up the pitch this.
Tactical issues Mauricio Pochettino must address
Mauricio Pochettino needs to decide what he wants from each position in his defensive midfield duo. Last season he used hybrid players in here and we paid for it by not having either a pure defensive holding midfielder or the complete package of what he needs his box-to-box midfielder to do. The result was a lack of cover for our centre backs and we leaked goals.
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I just hope we get this midfield sorted out fast but looks like we going to play with the same set up against ManU in the opening game.
http://www.spursfanatic.com/blog/tactical-mauricio-pochettino-defensive-midfield/
Mauricio Pochettino has to address the problems that exist in defensive midfield this season if we are to progress.
.
.
.
Good points of Mason and Bentaleb partnership
Mauricio Pochettino eventually settled on the combination of Nabil Bentaleb and Ryan Mason for the majority of Premier League starts for the two positions. Both players bring some good points to the defensive midfield area.
As the more defensive midfielder, Nabil Bentaleb is very capable of dropping deep between the splitting centre backs in order to bring the ball out. Although he doesn’t have the same range of long passing as Etienne Capoue did, his mid-range and short passing is better, quicker and on-point.
In the defensive phase he is actually better than many give him credit for. Nabil is used to playing further forward, but he is a very good tackler and interceptor of the ball. His anticipation and reading of the game from a defensive standpoint is beyond his young years and he does a decent job of covering his full back when he goes forward.
A defensive chart for our match away to Liverpool sums up where he is as a player at the minute perfectly. He makes four out of four attempted tackles (the x’s), three interceptions (diamonds), two clearances (circles) and just one foul (black triangle).
The downside is the blue triangle. This is where his errant pass gifted a goal-scoring chance to Daniel Sturridge. This would be repeated a few matches later as his square pass went straight to Wayne Rooney, who punished his moment of negligence with a goal at Old Trafford. It’s clear that situational awareness is a part of Bentaleb’s game that needs to improve.
Alongside Bentaleb, Ryan Mason also fulfils some good points of the criteria that Mauricio Pochettino wants from the box-to-box player.
Mason does excel at moving the ball forward through quick passing. Take our last game of the season away at Everton, where he was looking to get the ball out on the diagonal or up the pitch at every opportunity.
The aggressive nature of his passing means that a number of vertical ones don’t reach their target, these are shown in red. However, he does create three shooting opportunities, highlighted by the aqua arrows.
Mason does play with his head on a swivel and has decent awareness of where he needs to get the ball too. He also plays at tempo, which is what Mauricio Pochettino requires from this player to get attacks moving through the midfield zone.
Areas for improvement
They have their good points, but both Mason and Bentaleb have areas for improvement.
As pointed out above, Nabil needs to work on his situational awareness to know more of what is going on around him on the pitch. The stray passes to Sturridge and Rooney were a part of his game last season and a recurring theme at points in the campaign. Tiredness from representing Algeria at the AFCON and being just 20-years old played a part, but it needs to be ironed out of his play.
Ryan Mason can pass the ball, but he needs to improve the defensive side of his game. Statisticians will tell you that he made the most tackles per game along with Danny Rose last season, but he was also dribbled past more than any other Spurs player too. Having just looked at Bentaleb’s defensive effort in the game up at Anfield, compare that with Mason’s display where he made two tackles (green x) and was dribbled past 6 times (orange x). He also has the deathly blue triangle of gifting a scoring chance to the opposition.
The problem with Ryan Mason is that he is slightly undersized and a little lightweight to be a force in the defensive midfield area of the pitch. He won 50% of his tackles, which is less than Bentaleb’s 59%, Dembele’s 62% and even Paulinho’s 61%. Naturally due to his size, he also struggles in aerial duels where his 40% win rate is 20% below that of Bentaleb and Paulinho.
Nowhere more was Mason’s aerial ability exposed than in the 3-0 drubbing by Man Utd at Old Trafford. Marouane Fellaini abused him in the first half before Nabil Bentaleb was switched to mark the Belgian after the interval.
The game also highlighted Mason’s defensive positioning, something which needs to be worked on. Fellaini not only used his size in the air, but then drifted off the back of Mason in to the space between the lines.
This then gave our back line problems as to who to mark and was a big reason why we conceded so many goals last season – a lack of cover for our centre backs.
Mason’s ability to close and defend the space between the lines was his Achilles heel last season and a major reason why he would be better used further up the pitch this.
Tactical issues Mauricio Pochettino must address
Mauricio Pochettino needs to decide what he wants from each position in his defensive midfield duo. Last season he used hybrid players in here and we paid for it by not having either a pure defensive holding midfielder or the complete package of what he needs his box-to-box midfielder to do. The result was a lack of cover for our centre backs and we leaked goals.
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I just hope we get this midfield sorted out fast but looks like we going to play with the same set up against ManU in the opening game.
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HotspurFC1950
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Ok it seems that after the two games this week most are saying we are ok as we are except need one more striker.
Strikeb4ck
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I think if we are serious about top 4 contention we need:
1) a tricky, skillful, creative winger with some pace and goalscoring ability (cough Yarmolenko cough)
2) a defensively capable CM - Bender, McCarthy, etc...Veljkovic?
3) a backup striker who can play on the wing...Berahino
If we sign Yarmolenko, Bender, and Berahino for instance, we are real contenders for fourth, depending on how the other teams do.
I think if we end up with Werner, Berahino, and Dier playing DM all season we might as well just pencil in 5th-9th now...gonna be another season of hoping Kane can do it all and Hugo can save us at the back.
SonicSarr
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I actually think I'd be happier cheering on our younger players this season with less expectation so I won't be too upset if we don't buy again.
That said I think to compete this season we do need a CM & forward.
Whatever we do will only alter short term expectation. Think the futures bright with these kids anyway. No 1 priority must be not stunting their development by either over-playing them or blocking their path with average older players like Stambouli.
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Guy who wrote that is a clown.
Terrible stuff.
You should definitely not read what he has to say in a reasoned and well argued statistical manner about our prospects this season.
Really.
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spursfan77
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Manager sounds pretty resigned here to not getting many in. Just glad to get lots out.
http://www.espnfc.us...league-top-four
Tottenham focusing on long-term plans as opposed to Prem's top four
Tottenham Hotspur manager Mauricio Pochettino believes his side's Audi Cup win over Milan and match against Real Madrid have been the perfect preparation for their Premier League season opener against Manchester United.
For a manager who ended last season talking about Tottenham Hotspur's "need to be ambitious" and unstintingly aim for the top four right now, it was a surprisingly realistic -- or perhaps defeatist -- admission from Mauricio Pochettino on the eve of a new campaign.
"You just have to look to the investments made by Liverpool, Manchester City, [Manchester] United, Chelsea or Arsenal during this summer," the Spurs boss told Spanish radio station Onda Cero this week, after what has been a rather quiet summer of their own with just four fairly low-key signings. "We have five teams above us when it comes to spending."
By saying that, Pochettino was also intimating that he knows Tottenham are likely to have five teams above them when it comes to the final table. It all fosters this rather drab sense of drift about Spurs, that we know exactly how the season will end even before it begins. The wonder is how and why it's got to this.
http://www.espnfc.us...league-top-four
Tottenham focusing on long-term plans as opposed to Prem's top four
Tottenham Hotspur manager Mauricio Pochettino believes his side's Audi Cup win over Milan and match against Real Madrid have been the perfect preparation for their Premier League season opener against Manchester United.
For a manager who ended last season talking about Tottenham Hotspur's "need to be ambitious" and unstintingly aim for the top four right now, it was a surprisingly realistic -- or perhaps defeatist -- admission from Mauricio Pochettino on the eve of a new campaign.
"You just have to look to the investments made by Liverpool, Manchester City, [Manchester] United, Chelsea or Arsenal during this summer," the Spurs boss told Spanish radio station Onda Cero this week, after what has been a rather quiet summer of their own with just four fairly low-key signings. "We have five teams above us when it comes to spending."
By saying that, Pochettino was also intimating that he knows Tottenham are likely to have five teams above them when it comes to the final table. It all fosters this rather drab sense of drift about Spurs, that we know exactly how the season will end even before it begins. The wonder is how and why it's got to this.
Bobishism
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Guy who wrote that is a clown.
Terrible stuff.
You should definitely not read what he has to say in a reasoned and well argued statistical manner about our prospects this season.
Really.
Wait a minute...
spurs9
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I agree, except I also think we need more pace than Yarmolenko provides. If we are narrowing it down to 3, I would say:
1) a tricky, skillful, creative winger with some pace and goalscoring ability (cough Yarmolenko cough)
2) a backup striker with decent pace who can play on the wing...Berahino
3) a skillful, pacey wide forward...Werner or Njie
If we still had money left over and a relevant player was available, then 4th option for me would be the DM.
