It seems this is now the "Bale vs 7 signings" thread

[elvis7754]

I don't get people who wanted Bale to stay, he clearly didn't want to play for us. Fuck him.

Yeah, there's some merit to the argument "Even a Bale who didn't want to stay would be beneficial to the club" but I don't think you can progress by keeping players against their will and it would have caused untold problems in the dressing room. We got a good price, we signed some good players, we move on. Fuck that monkey, sheep shagging slag.

Suarez?
Modric?

If Bale had been kept against his will, he would have got on with the job and been brilliant.

But Levy wanted the cash.

 

[JUSTINSIGNAL]

Suarez?
Modric?

If Bale had been kept against his will, he would have got on with the job and been brilliant.

But Levy wanted the cash.

Levy put the cash back in to improving the overall squad. He was hardly lining his own pockets. So I really don't see the problem.

We are not an elite club. Bale developed into one of the top 5 players in the world and we simply couldn't afford to keep him.

 

[Francis Gibbs]

You make an incorrect statement and then Still Try to make the same point. We have more points than with bale and with players still settling in. How is your point valid?

so there are no external factors that effect our points tally?

 

[E17yid]

Suarez?
Modric?

If Bale had been kept against his will, he would have got on with the job and been brilliant.

But Levy wanted the cash.

I disagree. I think Modric would have reacted diffrently had we rejected his second move to Madrid. WIth regards to the CHelsea offer, it was lower than we wanted and it was to a direct rival, it was easier for us to explain our position. If Madrid were pissing about with £40m bids for Bale I'm sure Levy wouldhave been fine telling Bale that he wasn't going as our valuation wasn't being met.

As far as Suarez is concerned, if LFC had received a world record bid for him then I'm pretty sure he would have kicked up such a big fuss (if you're not going to sell me for £86m when are you going to sell me" kind of thing) that LFC wouldhave been forced to sell him.

 

[HotspurFC1950]

Even Yanited had to sell Ronaldo once RM came calling.

And Levy getting more for Bale is nothing short of incredible !

 

[HotspurFC1950]

It's Harry's fault saving Bale's career like that.

 

[Styopa]

I have no doubt that Bale would have performed brilliantly for us if he had stayed. But he was bound to go sooner rather than later, if not last summer then next. And it's like this big cloud looming over the whole club that it causes so much disruption to the start of the season. In hindsight perhaps Levy did the right thing.


So Bale Vs the 7 signings? Overall, I think we are better now than we were last year. We certainly have a stronger all round squad with upgrades in most positions and more options. Eriksen has already shown enough to suggest he could go on to become a genuine world class player - lets not forget he's only 22. Paulinho who is only 25 is having a very strong first season. Both of these players still have their peak years ahead of them and I expect them to improve considerably over the next couple of seasons. Chiricheș is an upgrade on Caulker. Capoue looks like a very good player. The market value of most if not all of these players has probably increased so from an investment viewpoint they also look like astute signings.

But whether we spend the Bale money wisely largely depends on whether the £56m + wages investment in Soldado and Lamela proves wise. The jury is still out but I think they could both have big seasons for us next year - that is if they are given the time.

Edit: I forget Chadli. That one I still don't really get.

 

[TheGreenLily]

Well, quite. But we both know there's more chance of Levy and Lewis becoming buddhists, giving away their money and denouncing all material possessions.

Agreed

 

[walworthyid]

so there are no external factors that effect our points tally?

There are, every season. The point is about whether we are better or worse for having sold bale and bought the players we did. On points and performances we are.

 

[Spurger King]

I can live with Levy selling players like Modric and Bale to Madrid. Like others have said, there's very little a team can do if Madrid set their sights on a player, unless they've struck oil. Even then it would be difficult.

Selling to other English clubs is where I draw the line. If Bale had gone to United, I'd be counting down the days until Levy packed his bags. Hopefully the way Levy stuck to his guns when Modric wanted to join the chavs is a good sign, but I'm still wary that he might be tempted by an offer from Oil Money FC for Vertonghen.

 

[jambreck]

Suarez?
Modric?

If Bale had been kept against his will, he would have got on with the job and been brilliant.

But Levy wanted the cash.

You cannot possibly know how Bale might have reacted to being forced to stay. You cannot possibly know the decisions that Daniel Levy had to weigh up.

 

[Kendall]

I can live with Levy selling players like Modric and Bale to Madrid. Like others have said, there's very little a team can do if Madrid set their sights on a player, unless they've struck oil. Even then it would be difficult.

Selling to other English clubs is where I draw the line. If Bale had gone to United, I'd be counting down the days until Levy packed his bags. Hopefully the way Levy stuck to his guns when Modric wanted to join the chavs is a good sign, but I'm still wary that he might be tempted by an offer from Oil Money FC for Vertonghen.

Yup. Even Barca had to sell to RM.

 

[balalasaurus]

Sorry Einstein, very pleased for Chadli to get his first goal for us, as well as the Paulinho tap in but I stand by everything I say, £100m and still no evidence that any of them are going to be stars to light up the Lane or the Premiership. Evidence of ability ain't good enough for me considering the money invested as we already have a good squad.

You're entitled to your opinion and all that but I think you're taking a very narrow view of things. It seems as if you want players to come in who are the finished article. You forget our standing as a club, our history of recent success, our global appeal and most importantly our spending power. We cannot afford to buy finished articles. The truth is we can barely recruit finished articles anyway because let's face it - we are not exactly as attractive a destination as some of the other clubs out there.

The fact remains that as easy as it is for you to say there's no evidence that they'll light up the Lane of the Prem in a few years, it's just as easy for one to say that you have no evidence that they won't light up the Lane or the Prem in a few years. The future, for all intents and purposes is a mystery yet it bodes well for the current crop we possess. Now the question is are you going to be cynical and assume that not one of the signings we made has the potential to be something special or are you actually going to have a little faith that we might just have struck gold and we don't know it yet?

 

[Francis Gibbs]

There are, every season. The point is about whether we are better or worse for having sold bale and bought the players we did. On points and performances we are.

not sure how you can make that leap, you admit external factors effect things yet you say we have more points because we sold Bale - could it not be because other teams have been poorer?
Also and this is subjective but I can not agree our performances have been better for the most part

 

[jimbo]

I'm still wary that he might be tempted by an offer from Oil Money FC for Vertonghen.

I'd be amazed if they weren't very interested in both him and Lloris. Exactly the players they need to move to the next level in my opinion. Would we turn down big money for either of them? Can we even afford to? Sad face.

 

[walworthyid]

not sure how you can make that leap, you admit external factors effect things yet you say we have more points because we sold Bale - could it not be because other teams have been poorer?
Also and this is subjective but I can not agree our performances have been better for the most part

I never said that we have more points because we sold bale at all. We sold bale, we bought other players, we have more points. Those are facts, you can make of them what you will.....

Also, factors are always at play, they were last season, they are this season, they will be again next season.

Are we playing better now? Probably. Bale saved us on many occasions last season and we were often very poor.

 

[Spurger King]

I'd be amazed if they weren't very interested in both him and Lloris. Exactly the players they need to move to the next level in my opinion. Would we turn down big money for either of them? Can we even afford to? Sad face.

When a champions league regular like Arsenal loses players to rivals like Oil Money and United, it's embarrassing, but they can cope with the loss as they still have the pull of CL football.

If we start selling our best players to Oil Money, Chelsea, or Arsenal, it just sends out the message that we're a feeder club for bigger teams in our own league. Understandable if the most we're aiming for is the occasional Europa League spot, but I'd hope we're aiming higher than that.

 

[Francis Gibbs]

I never said that we have more points because we sold bale at all. We sold bale, we bought other players, we have more points. Those are facts, you can make of them what you will.....

Also, factors are always at play, they were last season, they are this season, they will be again next season.

Are we playing better now? Probably. Bale saved us on many occasions last season and we were often very poor.

Isn't that exactly what you are saying?

The point is about whether we are better or worse for having sold bale and bought the players we did. On points and performances we are.

so we are better off on points for having sold Bale ......... highlighted the points, nothing unlighted throws the answer out of context

 

[spurs9]

I'm talking about the relationshiop between Bale and Barnett, not King and Barnett

Did you read my entire post or just the beginning? The part about King was just to show that Barrett had his clients best interests at heart. At he end I wrote how Bales best interests were to join Real.

 

[onthetwo]

You make an incorrect statement and then Still Try to make the same point. We have more points than with bale and with players still settling in. How is your point valid?

Whether we had 1,2 or more of the new signings starting on Sunday, the main point I was making was that for the 7 players we acquired in the summer, for a combined cost of £100m, I don't think any of them as yet have proven that they're the best players in their respective positions at our club. If the majority are delighted with them then that's great, I'm merely pointing out that I'm a bit disappointed so far. Eriksen has looked good in glimpses, and so have the others at various points but not enough so far for me considering the outlay.